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I personally think that the government should have given first priority to the industries, then domestic users and then CNG stations. Their priorities are screwed, and until the gas crisis subsides there should not be any new gas connections. Something needs to be done about the CNG industry as well, by converting everything on CNG (without any vision or planning) we have inadvertently put a lot of pressure on Gas consumption.

No wonder why the government wants to give MFN status to India, as if the current situation persists for the next 1-2 years we wont have any industry, so it will make sense to become a dumping ground for Indian goods.

Labourers suffer as gas crises worsen in Multan, Faisalabad

http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=40727&CID=1

MULTAN/FAISALABAD: At times when people of country’s upper parts and Punjab cities are experiencing chill season, the gas shortage has multiplied troubles of domestic consumers, labourers as well as industrialists.

People of Multan are faced with low Sui gas pressure amid freezing cold. Reports say use of woods as fuel is on the rise in Punjab due to low gas pressure. Citizens are compelled to buy coal and woods on high price to battle the chill.

**On the other hand, the gas crisis has severely hurt business growth in Faisalabad, the hub of Punjab’s industries, with score of industry units closed.

The closure is hitting labourers and daily wagers worst of all, who are hardly arranging two-time meal as the Sui Southern Gas Company has directed factory owners to arrange alternate fuel to run their businesses.

**Industrialists across the Punjab are worried about their business, which contributes in Pakistan’s export in many sectors, demanding of the government to take steps on war footing to save factories from permanent shut down. SAMAA

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The main reason for the unprecedented gas shortage in Punjab lies in the 18th amendment, which states that the province which produces a commodity will have the first right on that. I dont disagree with that (Since Punjab produces the least amount of gas they are suffering more), but the government can plan well in advance to make sure that nothing like this occurs. The situation of the industry throughout the country is bad(and especially industries of Punjab are on the death bed) due to ‘poor planning’.

The impact of industrial shutdown will have on the national exchequer, create joblessness (and crime associated with that), an indirect impact on the agriculture sector (especially due to the shortage of urea/fertilizer) and increase in inflation for the end users.

The only winners in this scenario would be LNG , urea and fertilizer importers, who will benefit at the expense of the country.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/01/gas-management-plan-on-the-cards-as-severe-shortage-looms.html
‘Gas management’ plan on the cards as severe shortage looms

**ISLAMABAD: Amid a severe shor****tage of gas, the government is working on a gas management plan for winter which, among other measures, would require a political decision to divert to Punjab 100 million cubic feet per day of gas meant for a fertiliser plant in Sindh.

**Sources told Dawn that Petroleum Minister Dr Asim Hussain was expected to preside over a meeting on Friday to discuss Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani`s instructions to ensure that gas shortfall did not affect domestic and commercial consumers.

**Officials of the petroleum ministry are reported to have cautioned the minister about serious political repercussions if people in Punjab were to suffer more than those in other provinces the effects of the gas shortage.
****“That will sow the seeds of polarisation and acrimony among the provinces. We should take measures to strengthen Pakistan,” an official was quoted as telling the minister.

**The officials said a proposal to be discussed at the meeting was to make changes in gas allocations to provinces as an interim arrangement till the time constitutional and legal hitches were overcome for an across-the-board fair distribution.
**Under the proposal, about 100mmcfd committed from the Sui Northern Gas Pipelines system to Engro Corporation`s new fertiliser plant in Dharki, Sindh, could be diverted to Punjab to meet gas shortages there.

****In return, Engro Fertiliser could be provided an equivalent quantity from the Sui Southern Gas Company`s system.

****Technically, this means that gas produced in Sindh will be utilised within the province by Engro Fertiliser and meet a legal hitch arising out of high court rulings that the province in which gas is produced has the first right to consume it.

**Officials, however, agree that gas swapping between SNGPL and SSGCL was only a short-term solution and hence a long-term legal remedy would have to be found through the Council of Common Interests for change in gas distribution mechanism through other options for equitable distribution of natural gas among the provinces, in view of similar decisions by the Sindh and Peshawar high courts on utilisation of natural gas from new fields.

The courts had based their judgments on Article 158 of the Constitution which says: “The province in which a well-head of natural gas is situated shall have precedence over other parts of Pakistan in meeting the requirements from the well-head, subject to commitments and obligation as on the commencing day.”

Officials said the Punjab government had raised the issue of equitable distribution of natural gas with the PPP leadership and demanded constitutional remedies although it had itself agreed under the 18th Amendment to allow utilisation of new gas in the province where it is produced.

**However, the provincial government is reported to have threatened to demand suspension of 750MW of electricity produced in Punjab and being supplied to Karachi and consider exporting surplus wheat, instead of supplying to deficit provinces.
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Officials said the meeting on gas load management would also take a decision on proposals to curtail gas supplies to the industrial sector for three months of winter and allocate specific quotas to CNG stations as total shortfalls were anticipated at about 2 BCFD.

The ministry believes that the passing on of entire gas shortfall to the industrial sector was the logical option given their 9-month supply contracts.

They said the industries started to enjoy uninterrupted gas supplies from 2001 to 2009 owing to negligible gap in the supply and demand situation which was no more possible and hence industrial consumers could be immediately educated about the ground situation.

The new plan is expected to come into force in the first week of December and remain in place by the third or last week of February 2012, depending on the weather.

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Right
in the good old days har ghantay baad light aati thi :mad:
ab har ghantay baad chali jati hay :mad:

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And for some reason during ramzan we had 100% power and 100% gas. What the hell gives?

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Yes, how could that be possible that we become luck enough to have exemption from loadshedding for 4-5 days in Eid holidays.

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I think the iranians sneakingly raised the price on the gas, but if we were to believe the reports, then they have constructed their side of the pipeline while Pakistan is too chicken to start anything on its side. I say blast any "balochis" or "TTP" etc who decide to block with the pipeline (one of the fears) as it is a matter of national security now.

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What a business-friendly government we have!
](“http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/23/punjab-industries-to-face-three-months-gas-load-shedding.html”)

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Major gas discovery in Marri-Bugti areaNovember 26, 2011

ISLAMABAD: A bit of good news for the energy-starved nation — the state-run Oil and Gas Development Company Limited (OGDCL) is reported to have made a major gas discovery in Zin block in Balochistan’s restive Marri-Bugti area that has the potential to change the dimension of the country’s power sector.

He said the OGDCL had estimates of 8-10 trillion cubic feet of gas reserves before it moved to Zin area in September last year. He expressed the hope that the reserve would be even bigger in view of the initial results and the fact that the Zin block was hemmed in by major gas
discoveries.

The official, however, said it would take about two years before Zin resources were developed for commercial use in view of the required appraisal wells and their subsequent development.

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The thing is that zin has have much more resources than Sui, but to develop them requires political will and vision which the present government lacks.

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Its cz we have everything ie gas and electricity but govt still wants the people to suffer

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2011/12/30/20111230_39.jpg

No gas for industry from New Year](http://bit.ly/sUARia)

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That's great public needs to pay for the commodity which they are not Even getting!

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/315045/gas-shortage-to-cost-economy-dearly/Gas shortage to cost economy dearlyBy Ghazanfar Ali
Published: January 2, 2012

****KARACHI: **The persistent gas crisis has shaken the very roots of the industry, particularly in Punjab, with export and economic growth targets in jeopardy, which if remain unmet will bring more unemployment and poverty, experts say.

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Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited (SNGPL) announced on Friday last week that gas supply to all industries, except for fertiliser plants, in Punjab had been suspended for an indefinite period because of severe shortage. However, residential consumers will continue to get gas.

Petroleum Minister Dr Asim Hussain also said that January would be a month of gas emergency and warned that supply to all industries and compressed natural gas (CNG) stations across the country could be stopped for the entire month. According to the minister, the gas shortfall has risen to more than one billion cubic feet per day.

“Gas suspension will have a drastic impact on the industry as well as the economy. Already, the energy shortage and high interest rates have put a heavy strain on the large-scale manufacturing sector, whose growth has been negligible for the last three years,” said Hamad Aslam, Research Head at Lakson Investments.

He said the energy shortage and inter-corporate debt would shave 3.5 per cent off economic growth, adding had those issues been not there, the gross domestic product (GDP) would have grown 6 per cent this fiscal year, keeping in view the revised GDP growth target of 3.5 per cent.

Exports are projected to be around $24 to $25 billion this year, with major contribution from the textile industry. However, this is also under threat as textile industries are mostly based in Punjab.

In the face of energy shortage, the large undertakings do have the option of installing their own power-generating plants based on coal or alternative energy. Aslam cited coal-fired plants as a viable option but cautioned that international coal prices remained volatile and any sharp rise in prices would increase substantially the power cost for the industry.

At present, coal prices are in the affordable range of $100 to $110 per ton in the world market.

Recently, Lucky Cement announced that it had installed a power generating unit based on waste heat from the system and earned carbon credits under the Kyoto Protocol of the United Nations.

In order to immediately tackle the gas crisis, Aslam suggested that the government should import liquefied natural gas (LNG) and pump it into gas pipelines.

Irfan Qaiser Sheikh, President of Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the premier chamber of Punjab, said all big chambers and trade associations of the province had been called for a meeting on Monday to frame a joint strategy and future course of action to cope with the energy problem.

“In Punjab, there has been a total shutdown of the industry for the past four days and jobs of four million daily wage-earners are under threat,” he said.

Sheikh pointed out that despite the closure, the industry had to pay some costs, like mark-up on loans and wages to employees, adding to mitigate the pain they had urged the government to ask the State Bank to waive interest payments for two months.

However, he did not agree that the industrial units should bring their own power-generating facilities. “It is not a simple alternative and is an expensive solution which everybody cannot afford.”

Already, energy accounts for 20 to 25 per cent of the total cost of general industry while in the case of textile the cost is around 35 per cent.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 2[SUP]nd[/SUP], 2012.[

](“http://tribune.com.pk/story/315045/gas-shortage-to-cost-economy-dearly/”)

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Takht-e-Lahore ki ab nahi chalay gi...........yeh bhutto ke jiyaalay hain........... takht-e-lahore ko sabaq sikha k chhorain ge...............

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POL Minister wants gas shedding only in Punjab
**Federal government appears to be planning to dedicate gas loadshedding to Punjab alone. **

Sources told Dunya News that Petroleum Minister Dr Asim Hussain has prepared a summary that will be placed before the federal cabinet for approval on Wednesday. The move by the federal petroleum minister comes at a time when the petroleum secretary had successful talks with CNG Association and transporters representatives. As a result of their talks, CNG and transport strikes have been ended. While talking to the mediamen, the petroleum secretary had said that gas load management plan would be prepared later. **Sources however said that according to the summary prepared by petroleum minister, who in fact is seen more bitter towards the CNG Association, KPK and Balochistan would be exempt from gas loadshedding under his load management plan. **
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When gas was discovered in sixties, it was estimated that it would last for next fifty years. I think gas reserve of Sui has been depleted. As regard theft of gas and electricity, it is the people who steal the utilities are responsible. Railways stopped working and lost revenues because defective engines and coaches from china were procured during Mush's time.

It is easy to blame to this government but any government in its place would have faced the same music. However this government should have resigned the day when corp commanders raised objections on Kery-Lugar bill, the aid ment for civilian government. Zardari should have sent all corp commanders including CAOS home or he should have gone home. There was no other choice. He will suffer hard on his compromising agenda not only with military but also with the black mailer politicians.

I agree with IK that this government should resign. Let the new date for elections be declared in 2012 and he should dissolve all the provincial and national assemblies and hand over power to sentate chairman according to constitution.

This goverment not only will bear the loss of its ineffectiveness but all the evils actions of estabilishment. Zardari should get this in to his dumb brain.

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Well as far as the railway engines becoming faulty is concerned, some people claim that it was not faulty engines but low quality oil that was used in them as they wanted them to fail to import expensive American engines.

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Please read the detail report about these faulty rolling stock. Then we can discuss if you are still not satisfied. As regard using low quality oil, PSO, Shell and Haroon Oils are/were the main suppliers of lube oil. These campanies can be sued if it is the truth.

American locomotives are superior and long life and ran PR trains for a number of decades. As regard commission, the big companines like GM or GE strictly follow the rules (I think it is anti-trust) and give rat's @ss in commission. Confirm from railway high officials and web sites of GM and General Electric.

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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MG28Df03.html

Pakistan Rail on life-support
By Syed Fazl-e-Haider

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