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Sunday, June 1, 2008 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

Legislature 2008

State GOP: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants
By Andrew Garber

Seattle Times staff reporter

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SPOKANE — The state Republican Party adopted a platform Saturday that includes a provision aimed at opposing automatic citizenship for babies born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants.

The state party approved a similar platform plank at its 2006 convention that proved controversial. The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution recognizes citizenship for all persons born in the United States.

“Immigration is an issue that a lot of our party activists feel strongly about,” state Republican Party Chairman Luke Esser said. “And it’s certainly a very defensible position. It’s not at all something that’s based on race concerns. It’s a matter of what is citizenship going to be based on.”

State Attorney General Rob McKenna, one of the state’s most prominent Republicans, said he doesn’t support banning automatic citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants.

“We have more than 200 years of history in which children born in the U.S. are deemed U.S. citizens,” said McKenna, before reading the platform language. “What matters is where the children are born.”

Not all delegates attending the convention support the position, either.

“The Constitution says that if you’re born in the United States you’re a U.S. citizen,” said Scott Workman, of Sequim. “I’m not willing to change the Constitution. If we’re going to let them in and they’re going to have babies here, then they’re U.S. citizens.”

The plank containing the provision was adopted without discussion. It’s part of a much broader party platform approved at the state GOP convention Saturday stating positions on issues ranging from national defense to health care and education.

The plank covering immigration and homeland security says, “We welcome those who wish to build a new and better life in America and Washington state and to recognize that the only price of such opportunity is their willingness to embrace our language, culture and legal system, beginning at our national borders.”

The provision goes on to say that legal immigration “can best be facilitated by a transparent, traceable and enforceable guest-worker program that does not include amnesty or birthright citizenship and sanctuary cities.”

Mathew Manweller, chairman of the platform committee, said the language in the provision is intended to oppose automatic citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants.

“We have no problem with them becoming citizens if they go through [the legal process] but not simply by virtue of birth,” Manweller said.

Esser said the issue of birthright citizenship is broader than just illegal immigration. For example, he said, “I think if you ask the average person, ‘Should a couple vacationing in the United States who are citizens of another country have a child on U.S. soil, should that child be a U.S. citizen?’, that doesn’t sound reasonable.”

Esser noted that prohibiting citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants could “require a change in the U.S. Supreme Court interpretation of the 14th Amendment, so, obviously, if that’s the case it will be difficult to ever accomplish.”

McKenna said he doubts the citizenship provision of the party platform will have much impact.

“I think the attention span of the public on party platforms is very brief. I don’t think platforms help you or hurt you very much,” he said. “Voters look at the candidates.”

Also at the convention, the state GOP assigned its 40 delegates to the national convention, with presumptive nominee John McCain ending up with the bulk of them. The state party’s delegates are awarded through a complex system of caucuses and primaries.

Although there was a strong showing by Ron Paul supporters at the convention, McCain received a total of 33 delegates, Paul got four and Mike Huckabee three.

Andrew Garber: 360-943-9882 or [email protected]

Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

I agree. UK did this a while back. US needs to do it as well.

It should not just be limited to illegal immigrants but also ppl who are here on temporary visas F1, H1, J1.. but should be eligible for US citizenship when parents get it.

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

i agree, Fraudia bhia. it is a good way to prevent illegal citizens. and yes, the important thing is for the non legal citizens to know about this more so that they make their choices as informed as they can.

I do not agree with the second part. Because of the ridiculous backlogs and quotas, most H1bs get stuck in the process for many many years. And in this process alot of them have kids, who grow up and eventually goto schools and all. Why deny these kids the benefits that other kids get. You might be right about the J1s (except waivers), but most of the F1s become H1s and eventually become part of the system and they stay here. Denying them the luxury of having kids being born as US Citizens would just make their lives miserable.

Illegal immigrant kids who were not born in the US get the same educational benefits as citizen kids get. So there are no benefits being denied to the kids of non resident aliens either. Unless we go with the view that only legal kids should get educational benefits, which I will be all for. And then if educational benefits are the case, then a clause can be made that kids of non resident aliens whoa re legally present in US on some temporary visa get the same privileges.

not all F1s become H1 and not all H1s become citizens. when they become citizens their kids should automatically get citizenship. Citizenship should be a privilege given to the children of resident aliens and citizens.

where does one draw the line, what about citizenship tourism, people who come here just to have kids? currently their kids get citizenships as well. Back in the day when that was the case with UK, there were women who really should not be flying, flying to UK just to deliver.

We also will not have to deal with the ridiculous argument by illegal immigrants and there supporters that when illegasl are beign deported the govt is splitting families because their kids are US citizens.

we also may see less of the citizenship tourism, the kind that was common in UK, where you saw women in late third trimester flying to UK. of course when teh govt started crackign down on it, cries of racism went on. :rolleyes:

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

I will not speak about what the Limies do in their homeland..........that is the home all double standards.......and Slave traders.........


In the good old USA we depend on Immigrant Labor to put Fruits and vegetables on our tables.............


These people are needed for the Farm Economy........if they do not recieve decent wages and benefits same as the rest of those whom they end up providing benifits for...........it is considered Slavery in my opinion plain and simple........:(

The kids of H1bs, F1bs and all, they wouldnt be illegal aliens, would they, if they aren't citizens. They wouldnt be able to get benefits, because of their special status, and keep in mind they wouldn't be illegal either. How would a kid, whose dad is on a H1B status, and he being a dependent status in that category be able to apply for financial aid? So point being, they wouldn't get the benefits.

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not all F1s become H1 and not all H1s become citizens. when they become citizens their kids should automatically get citizenship. Citizenship should be a privilege given to the children of resident aliens and citizens.

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MOST of them do, very few go back, there are around 65K H1b visas for one year, and about 180K perm resident visas, and they are back logged all the way till 2002, which shows MOST (almost all) of them are applying for permanent residency. Hence, denying their kids who are born here, would just make it miserable for them. Just have a look at mmigration bulletins and discussion forums as to how long some of them have been waiting. Now if they take away this from their kids, thats just adding massive amounts of salt to their wounds.

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where does one draw the line, what about citizenship tourism, people who come here just to have kids? currently their kids get citizenships as well. Back in the day when that was the case with UK, there were women who really should not be flying, flying to UK just to deliver.
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Well, thats a separate matter and I might agree with that, but those on H1B visas at least, shouldnt be subjected to that, because it only makes things difficult for them. Remember, H1B on paper is temporary employment, but almost everyone working on it is working towards perm residency LEGALLY. Whether we like it or not, they'll become permanent residents, most of them.

well, then start by paying them fair wages aka living wages.
you have slavery right now by your own words. The illegals are abused by our farmers builders and factoriesbecause they would not dare treat a legal immigrant this way

While its all nice and dandy that their kids get citizenship then, what about a vote, how about a social security number, or a drivers license, or minimum wage, and healthcare. Let's think about that when we eat then. Its fruit of slavery.

That's the reason that a guest worker program is needed. It does not have to be an all or nothing game.

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

Spock

But ppl on f1 are non resident aliens. A huge number goes back. F1 does not mean citizenship. Same for h1.

Its not a question of denying but delaying the citizenship until the parents get the citizenship. They can be given educational benefits that they would enjoy anyways. Recall my point that even non citizen kids of illegal immigrants get same access to education as citizens perm residents and h1 pols kids get. If jose jumps border tomorrow and brings little carlito to school not only will the kid get into school but because of need based assessment he will get free food at school and specialized instruction by bilingual teachers.

I don't see any impact to h1 holders kids.

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

X2,

With due respect, I do not support your views about denying automatic citizenship to kids born to legal residents in the US (student, H1 etc). Not for any grand-iose and über-important immigration policy reasons, but simply because US citizens do not have to get visas for a lot of places, and so parents will save a lot of money otherwise spent on stupid transit visas if their kids have US passport from the get-go.

Been through that whole rigmarole, I do not wish to deny the same savings to any FOB's that come to the US of A.

Cheers!

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

there should be no citizenship for anyone who is not a genuine trigger-happy-israel-supporting-person.

with all due respect, the parents will still be spending money on transit visas, so by the same logic, anyone who lands here whether as a student, businessman, visitor should get US passports from the get go as well.

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

I posted a detailed reply to this x2 a little while ago, i dont know why it got deleted... it was based on the argument that there are about 85K h1b visas every year, and there are over 200K GC applications every year, and the backlog goes back uptil 2002.

Are you refering to post number 8?


Problem is that the parents were not born in the US, so they don't get the passport. Their kids are born in the US. Big difference.

I don't see a reason why to change a facility/right that is working perfectly fine. Are we seeing a lot of complaints that H1/F1 visa-holders kids are causing a lot of problems? No. Are they causing a lot to the US treasury by being US citizens? No. I can see the logic for not granting automatic citizenship to kids born to ILLEGAL immigrants/residents... but can't see the same logic for H1/F1/etc LEGAL residents.

parents get teh passport when they become citizens. if they are permanent residents, thats fine as well. Not all F1s become H1s and not all H1s become Permanent Residents.

btw F1 are not considered legal RESIDENTS, they are considered NON-RESIDENTS. just like tourists, people on business visas etc.

the 14th ammendment that is the basic basis of children of non-residents and even illegals getting citizenship, was actually added after the civil war to ensure that the descendents of slaves get citizenship.

regardless, atleast we agree that illegals kids should not have automatic citizenship.

I dont know WHY it got deleted either :confused:

Re: No automatic citizenship for kids born in U.S. to illegal immigrants article

i am in favor of it iff govt wants them to leave the country.

Well my point is simple. If someone is in the country LEGALLY, then any kids they have that are born in the USA should continue to get automatic citizenship. Don't care what visa they have, or green card. If they have gone through the process to be in the country legally, their kids deserve the protection of 14th amendment. I understand the argument about heavily pregnant women traveling to get their babies born in the US, but I don't think its a compelling argument to stop giving citizenship to the babies. I don't see any evidence to suggest this policy (of giving visas to legal residents/visitors) is causing any kind of problem in the country. If there is something I am missing, please feel free to enlighten me.

On the other hand, if someone is in the country ILLEGALLY, then I fully agree that their kids should not be given automatic citizenship. This should discourage people from illegally crossing over, and will also avoid split families when illegals are deported.