New Provinces : Bahawalpur, Multan and Hazarah

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If you are going to make some new provinces then don’t forget to carve a couple out of Sindh and Baluchistan while you are at it.

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"Faring better" in what sense? One unit was created by Ayyub only to reduce Bengali majority. It served its purpose, but eventually led to the separation of Bengal. "Faring better"?
Your argument might have had some weight if the whole country at that time was one unit. But it was NOT. There were actually TWO UNITS, West Pakistan and East Pakistan.

If one unit is better than have you ever wondered why not a single country in the world has this implemented?

I can't believe someone will say that one unit is better than states or provinces. As they say: عذر گناہ بدتر از گناہ. Don't try to justify one wrong comment by making more illogical comments.

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I paste the map of present Pakistan before one unit again.
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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/misc/nCode.png

Click this bar to view the original image of 700x600px.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Baluchistan_States_Map.gif

How ideal situation was that.
Karachi was a federal administrated unit.
Baluchistan was in five parts.
Bahawalpur was a separate unit working as a province.
Swat ,Dir and adjusant area was not a part of KP and that could be reshaped as a province.
Many more possibilities,even they didn’t care for the agreements and commetments of Qauid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jennah.

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Multan was a state/Province before Sikh occupation, Later on Britisher changed into a division,

And
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/gazetteer/pager.html?objectid=DS405.1.I34_V18_028.gif
I again present a more detailed map of Pakistan before one unit.

http://www.mybahawalpur.com/bahawalpur-maps/pakmap.jpg

This map has surprised me and I offer all of you to comment.
It is more surprising to see the foolish acts of Yahya regime just before the elections of 1970.
New Provinces When West Pakistan was dissolved, the divisions were regrouped into four new provinces. Gradually over the late 1970s, new divisions were formed; Hazara and Kohat divisions were split from Peshawar Division; Gujranwala Division was formed from parts of Lahore and Rawalpindi divisions; Dera Ghazi Khan Division was split from Multan Division; Faisalabad Division was split from Sargodha Division; Sibi Division was formed from parts of Kalat and Quetta divisions; Lasbela District was transferred from Karachi Division to Kalat Division; Makran Division split from Kalat Division. The name of Khairpur Division was changed to Sukkur Division.

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I have another news ,someway related to this topic.
The grand Loya Jirga, at Peshawar attended by political leadership, tribal elders from FATA, religio-political leadership, elders, ulema, representatives of journalists, human rights organisations and bar associations, demanded to make FATA a separate province.
What a positive move.
Salute to JI first time in my life,who managed this.
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/07-05-2011/Karachi/images/1041.gif
(I have voted for them once while living in Karachi but that was not ‘Hub e Ali’)

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^^ I would fully support Movement for FATA province, they should have their own provincial assembly with their own chief minister and cabinet working for them only....

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Thanks for posting this, I never saw this map before, a lot of damage has been done because of change in this map. No division/district manipulations should be allowed, I wish such ‘divisions’ to be done only for administrative purpose and not for political strengthening/weakening of a party.

That will be an excellent move, I hope a referendum or some quick way be employed so sensible people in FATA can lead the way out of this mess and FATA can be fully integrated into Pakistan :k:

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Thank you captain 1
It is really encouraging and now I am going away from my topic but it is all for Pakistan.
Now we discuss a little about Baluchistan. I was too unaware of many things and these maps were eye opener for me too.
Besides the green area shown in the map Gwadar was also not a part of Baluchistan and was purchased by ‘Bloody Civilians’ from Oman just 37 days before of 58 Martial law. Remember Ayoub handed over more than 1600 Sq miles oil rich belt of Baluchistan to Iran.
Let us have look on four states of Baluchistan. In my opinion there is still some way there.
Just for the sake of record. Qauid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was the permanent lawyer of Khan of Qalat Ahmed Yar Khan and he asked him many time to join Pakistan but he and other heads of states refused than he became at once surprisingly announced to join Pakistan, Later reason was known that Hazrat Muhammad SA visited him in dream and asked him to join Pakistan.This is Pakistan of our holy prophet (Peace be upon him). We have to go for it.

Baluchistan Agency Princely States of the Baluchistan Agency.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/KalatFlag.gif/25px-KalatFlag.gif Kalat
Baluchistan Agency
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Flag_of_Pakistan.svg/22px-Flag_of_Pakistan.svg.png Balochistan, Pakistan
H.H. Ahmad Yar Khan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Flag_of_the_State_of_Kharan.svg/25px-Flag_of_the_State_of_Kharan.svg.png Kharan
Baluchistan Agency
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Flag_of_Pakistan.svg/22px-Flag_of_Pakistan.svg.png Balochistan, Pakistan
Habibullah Khan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Flag_of_the_State_of_Las_Bela.svg/25px-Flag_of_the_State_of_Las_Bela.svg.png Las Bela
Baluchistan Agency
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Flag_of_Pakistan.svg/22px-Flag_of_Pakistan.svg.png Balochistan, Pakistan
Jam Ghulam Qadir Khan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Flag_of_the_State_of_Makran.svg/25px-Flag_of_the_State_of_Makran.svg.png Makran
Baluchistan Agency
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Flag_of_Pakistan.svg/22px-Flag_of_Pakistan.svg.png Balochistan, Pakistan
*Bai Khan Baloch Gikchi

](Gwadar District - Wikipedia)

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I did not know that, how could these people deal Pakistani territory like this.

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Thank you . I remember that some great people who dare to oppose him those time filed a writ in SC too but no result achieved. This topic deserves some more attention from you.

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Anwer Pasha:

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Remember Ayoub handed over more than 1600 Sq miles oil rich belt of Baluchistan to Iran.
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"oil rich belt"?
You still believe in that hocus pocus?

How much oil did Iran get from this imaginary oil rich belt which Pakistan gave up?
Do you know that Iran does not have even a single oil well anywhere close to Balochistan?

And this is the first time I have heard about Pakistan giving up territory to Iran. Can you cite any reference?

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Oil rich belt or not, I am talking of the 1600 miles he is saying that was handed over to Iran as I havent heard or read anything about that too.

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There is some mention on the net regarding some agreement in 1957 between Iran and Pakistan to resolve the border dispute, but it does not mention how much territory Pakistan ceded to Iran in that.

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This thing about "oil rich belt given up by Pakistan to Iran" is now a debunked theory. I find it funny when people still talk about this stupid claim.
And yeah, this is the first time I have heard about 1600 sq miles of land given to Iran. I would like to know more about it too? So what say you, Anwer Pasha?

By the way Pasha, talking of giving up of lands, did anyone cry foul when Pakistan gave up Aksai Chin area of Kashmir to China? Now that is a historical fact and not a myth.

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I was not so mature but I read newspaper daily. I still remember about the news and writ in SC by leaders of Counsel Muslim League. It is always done on the name of border agreement as you are telling about Kashmir. This is not a story. I remember the statements from government side too. Lets find the details but please come to main topic, You always good except when ........................

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I think taking Karachi out of Sindh will punish the Urdu speakers in the rural Sindh. The problem with the Muhajir etjnic group is that we are dispersed, so creating a Muhajir province is impossible. And that word Jinahpur should never be used, as it has been a curse on the Muhajir community.

In Pakistan, there are 40 different ethnic groups, for example in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, you have Kho, Kalash, Khetran, about ten ethnic groups that have come together to call themselves Hindkowan, and the Pathans who speak the Pashto (i.e Gundapur, Babar, Wazir e.t.c) and those who speak Pakhto (mainly Yousafzai, Afridi and Bangash). Pakistan can't have 40 provinces, so we can rule out ethnic provinces. Even Baba Sikander Zaman and supporters belong mainly to Karlar and Dhund communities, with some support among the Jadoon. Other ethnic groups in Hazara such as the Gujjar (the largest group), Awan, Swari and Tanoali actually oppose the province.

What people need is a Commission for State Reorginazation like the Justice Fazle Ali Commission in India, to vet all the proposals

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Well, those who oppose creation of new provinces have jst made up concerns.

When the provinces are made public minds need to be changed that *creating new provinces does not mean separating from the country.
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Someone said why should Punjab "sacrifice" or "give up". What exactly does that mean????

Good posts AP.

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I waited that some other should reply but actually these four provinces are creation of Britishers for their own purposes. I have an article in Urdu, Must read.
It will increase your knowledge.
www.deraywal.com/index.php?option=com_co…icles-&Itemid=18

We can do nothing and it looks nobody ruling (actually) is interested . Time is slipping from our hands. Our power is busy inside our own territory with our own people. I am really worried . Not about new provinces but about Pakistan.

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Then there is dire need to change based on wishes of people.

Thanks for the link. Is that you who wrote that? I wish there were some references cited with each ‘historic facts’ mentioned.

I still do not see the answer from the member who said the words “give up” or “sacrifice” of Punjab and what do those words mean.

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No. I am not so wise and this topic is an eye opener for me too. Surprisingly I knew nothing about D I Khan, During last some days face book and some sites helped me to know a lot about my people.
Mumlkat e Khuda dad Pakistan is really a gift of God.
Khobsoorat phoolon ka aik haseen Guldastah
خوبصورت پھولوں کا ایک حسیں گلدستہ

An old maphttp://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00maplinks/mughal/majumdarmaps
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And see Multan as a province and Bahawalpur ,not a part of great Moughal empire.