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What a beautiful idea.
It shows your love to Pakistan.
Many will not like my quoting but It was
Great leader Qauid e Awam Fakhr e Asia Shaheed Zulfqar Ali Bhutto.
قائد عوام فخر ایشیا شهیدذوالفقار علی بھٹو
who spoke for this in 1969-70 for making ten commissionaires of West Pakistan of that time the provinces , but always drunk Yahya didn’t bothered
Re: New Provinces ; Bahawalpur, Multan and Hazarah
What a beautiful idea. It shows your love to Pakistan. Many will not like my quoting but It was Great leader Qauid e Awam Fakhr e Asia Shaheed Zulfqar Ali Bhutto. قائد عوام فخر ایشیا شهیدذوالفقار علی بھٹو who spoke for this in 1969-70 for making ten commissionaires of West Pakistan of that time the provinces , but always drunk Yahya didn't bothered
Only and only if he was that accommodating to mujeeb as well.
Kash kash kash....
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As
Captain1 said one day.
Our Kash list is very long.
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Kash hamara constitution jaldi ban jata
Kash hamaray election jaldi ho jatay
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Kash woh ahmqanah one unit nah banaya jata.
Kash koi martial law nah lagta.
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http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/30/carving-out-new-provinces-to-prove-difficult.html
Carving out new provinces to prove difficult By Cyril Almeida | From the Newspaper
WHILE talk of the creation of new provinces is ricocheting across the political landscape, two basic questions have largely gone unanswered: how and where? Perhaps inevitably so, because to neither question is there a straightforward answer.
**Start with the mechanism for creating a new province. Controlled by Article 239 of the Constitution, the process of creating new provinces requires a two-thirds majority in separate votes in the two houses of parliament and then a further two-thirds majority in the provincial assembly of the affected province.
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The formidable numbers game has prompted some supporters of new provinces to suggest the Constitution should be amended. “We need to simplify the process of creating a new province. Right now it’s impossible,” said Humayun Akhtar Khan, a PML ‘Like minded’ leader who supports the creation of a Bahawalpur province.
But amending the Constitution to change Article 239 isn’t likely to pass muster with the Supreme Court, according to legal analysts.
“It’s likely the Supreme Court would intervene given its interest in the basic structure doctrine,” said Salman Raja, a Supreme Court lawyer.
This means advocates of new provinces are left with a staggering problem: how do they convince provincial assemblies and both houses of parliament representing a fractious polity to support with a two-thirds majority the creation of new provinces?
BAHAWALPUR: Take the case of Punjab and the demand for a Bahawalpur province.
The districts of Bahawalpur, Bahawalnagar and Rahimyar Khan in southern Punjab were once the State of Bahawalpur, which formally acceded to Pakistan in 1951 and enjoyed a short-lived status as a province with its own legislative assembly until the imposition of One Unit in 1955.
To create the province of Bahawalpur at least 248 MPAs in the 372-member Punjab Assembly would have to give consent, a scenario unimaginable without the support of the PML-N. However, the N-League, which dominates central and urban Punjab but has comparatively little support in the south, is considered to be wary of the idea of carving up its power base, Punjab.
Achieving a two-thirds majority in parliament could be even trickier for the aspirants of new provinces. An MNA from the Hazara area in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa could demand the creation of a Hazara province in return for supporting in the National Assembly the creation of a Bahawalpur province.
And the creation of a Bahawalpur province could spur demands for provincial status in several of the other states which acceded to Pakistan, particularly Swat in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Kalat in Balochistan.
ETHNO-LINGUISTIC CLAIMS: Behind the formidable numbers game, however, is an even more daunting challenge: the political debate on the creation of new provinces has been cast in everything but administrative terms.
The Bahawalpur claim is a historical one. The demand for a Seraiki province is based on ethno-linguistic and cultural grounds. The argument for a Hazara province in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or a Pakhtun province in Balochistan is based on ethnic grounds.
“There’s an administrative basis for demanding new provinces,” according to Khaled Ahmed, a Lahore-based journalist. “The outreach of the state is restricted. The local government issue has hit a brick wall, so new provinces may be a way of getting around it.”
Yet,** the most high-profile proponent of a new province, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, has focused on ethno-linguistic claims in calling for a new Seraiki province.**
Historically, the call for a Seraiki province has not been a big vote-getter and in fact occasionally worked to alienate Punjabi-, Urdu- and Baloch-speaking residents of Punjab. But analysts suggest the PPP may be playing the Seraiki card now to try and improve its position in Punjab ahead of the next elections.
**There remains, though, the problem of demarcating the limits of a Seraiki province. The Seraiki language is spoken in a belt stretching from Mianwali to Pakpattan and down across central and southern Punjab. However, the language is also spoken in Dera Ismail Khan, Tank and Bannu districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and in the upper Sindh districts abutting Punjab.
A Seraiki province expansively drawn would be the largest province in the country, turning on its head the smaller-is-better argument for new provinces.
Moreover, since no province is ethnically homogenous — there are Pakhtuns in Balochistan, Balochis in Punjab and Seraiki speakers in upper Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa — resolving claims to provincial status on the basis of ethnicity is a minefield of epic proportions.
But because it is a political card that can be thrown into the electoral mix, parties do resort to it, as the PPP has recently.**
Unsurprisingly, given the PML-N’s overall dominance in Punjab, the prime minister’s calls for a Seraiki province have riled the PML-N. “It’s purely a political stunt by the PPP to try and recover its plummeting popularity amid high inflation, loadshedding and misgovernance,” said Khurram Dastagir, a PML-N MNA from Gujranwala.
“We are willing to discuss the provinces issue, but not on ethno-linguistic grounds and as part of a national approach,” Mr Dastagir added.
Privately, N-Leaguers admit they are watching south Punjab carefully to see how much traction the call for new provinces is gaining among the local population and to what extent the lukewarm reaction of the PML-N to the idea of new provinces may be denting the party’s support.
CALLS TO INCREASE: **Yet, whatever the cynical political reasons for calling for new provinces at present, analysts suggest that it will be difficult to bottle up the issue again, particularly in Punjab.
“A female teacher from Ranjanpur who is posted in Lahore has to travel by road for 14 hours. That’s plain injustice,” according to Sohail Warraich, an expert on Punjab politics. “The resources diverted to other parts of Punjab from the south can’t go on unopposed forever.”**
Mr Warraich claimed that growing unhappiness in south Punjab was down to three factors. “One, the economic disparity has grown since the ’80s; it’s much more today than it’s ever been. Two, the rise of the PML-N, a party of the cities and central Punjab, is seen as a threat. And three, the PPP has raised it as an issue again.”
Other analysts and PML-N insiders suggest the PML-N, long considered the main obstacle to dividing Punjab, is cautiously opening up to the possibility of new provinces. The incentives are several.
If the call for new provinces finds support among the electorate, the N-League risks losing out to political rivals who have taken up the issue. New provinces could also give the N-League an opportunity to govern in more provinces and so gain an advantage in inter-provincial forums such as Council of Common Interests and National Financial Commission.
Ironically, it is the objections of the existing smaller provinces that may now kill off the tendrils of support for new provinces emerging in Punjab.
“The smaller provinces will not want to devolve. In Sindh, the MQM has figured out that there are four cities, so Karachi alone is not attractive enough. In Balochistan and KP, the troubles there make it unlikely they will be interested,” claimed Khaled Ahmed. “New provinces make sense, but that doesn’t mean it will happen.
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Kash hamara constitution jaldi ban jata
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Actually our first constitution was on track in 1956 considering how much instability ghulam muhammad and iskandar mirza caused to the govts through their posts. Even America took a decaded to get everything signed and passed when it didn't have an overbearing governor general destabilizing the govt at all times.
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So my apprehensions regarding you being mqm lover were correct. But fact is that combined population of sindhis, punjabis, sariakis, hindko, pukhtoons, balochis, etc surpass the muhajir population, I don't know where that stupid idea you got from. Perhaps from 90s when that conspiracy was caught and corrected. Karachi was part of Sindh since centurries, what Anwar Pasha is saying is entirely different historical and geographical scenerio. You mqmers always want to divide Sindh on ethinic basis. Rest assure your dream will never come true. Division of Sindh will be resisted by other inhibitants with full force. Try it.
Actually Karachi was not part of Sindh. Historically it was part of Balochistan so please fix your facts. Jinnahpur was a conspiracy hatched by the Army and government to exterminate Urdu speakers and mqm members. Every province in Pakistan is based on ethnicity and named after them . Sindh for Sindhis, Balochistan for Balochis, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa for Pakhtuns and Punjab for Punjabis. So now where do Hazara people, Urdu speakers, Seraikis etc go?
Making Karachi a separate province will help it develop much more as jagirdars from Interior Sindh will not be making decision for it. Then making northern Sindh a province would be good too, as Sukkur would become the capital and development would take place. Hyderabad would become capital of the remaining part of Sindh.
Dividing Punjab into 3 provinces would be great. Balochistan into 3 provinces would be good too. And KP being divided into 2 provinces with Hazara becoming a province would be excellent.
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I have a report.
Rajanpur most, Lahore least deprived](Redirect Notice)
Rajanpur most, Lahore least deprived
SOUTHERN Punjab was the most poverty-stricken region of the province in 1998. According to the Punjab Multiple Deprivation Index 2007-08, its population faces the highest deprivation of the basic human needs like income, education, health and water and sanitation.
Punjab has posted the highest growth in the country during the 1999-2008 but the fruits of the growth have been lopsided. The governments, headed by General (Retd) Musharraf and Pervaiz Elahi, paid lip service to the deprived regions of the province.
Rajanpur was the poorest district of Punjab in 1998 according to the Punjab poverty ranking assessed by the then Punjab government where 66 percent of the population was living in poverty. According to the Multiple Deprivation Index of 2007-08 released this week by Punjab government, the deprivation level in Rajanpur is still 63.32 (percent). The most depressing reality in this regard is that the MDI of the district was 59.02 in 2003-04 that deteriorated in the next five years.
The next four most deprived districts of Punjab are also from its southern region, i.e. Layyah MDI 58.85 percent, Muzaffargardh MDI 58.67, Dera Ghazi Khan MDI 56.24, Lodhran MDI 55.29. The water and sanitation deprivation in these districts ranges from 95.85 in Rajanpur to 83.54 in Lodhran.
After them, the other most deprived districts of the province are Khanewal MDI 50.39, Bhakkar MDI 50.65, Khushab MDI 51.39, Chakwal MDI 51.81, Mianwali MDI52.9, Bahawalpur MDI 53.06, Rahimyar Khan MDI 53.52, Bahawalnagar MDI 53.89 and Jhang MDI 54.44. All these districts are from southern and western regions of Punjab.
The least deprived districts of the province are headed by Lahore MDI 16.54 percent followed by Faisalabad MDI31.88, Gujranwala MDI 33.94, Sialkot 34.06 and Sheikhupura MDI 36.67. All these districts are from central Punjab.
Rawalpindi has medium level of deprivation with MDI of 41.35. It has the best education facilities in Punjab with MDI 8.22 percent under this head while Rajanpur with MDI 45.53 has the worst education facilities. In health, Rawalpindi again has best facilities with MDI 9.18 and Rajanpur the worst with MDI of 33.22. In housing, the best in the province is Lahore with MDI of 8.58 while the lowest is again Rajanpur with MDI 57.65. In Water and Sanitation, Lahore tops with MDI 26.33 and Rajanpur the most deprived with MDI95.85. In economic deprivation, again Lahore faces least deprivation with MDI 7.59 while Layyah with MDI 40.70 is the most deprived. The Punjab government report comparing indices of multiple deprivations between 2003-04 and 2007-08 reveals that the deprivation in fact increased in 12 districts during this period most of which were from southern and western parts of the province. In Mianwali, the deprivation level increased by 8.22 percent from 48.88 in 2003-04 to 52.90 in 2007-08. It increased by 7.12 percent in Rajanpur, 6.49 percent in Jhang, 6.36 percent in Chakwal, 6.03 percent in Rawalpindi, 3.85 percent in Sargodha, 3.84 percent in Hafizabad, 2.03 percent in Layyah, 1.09 percent in Bahawalnagar and 1.02 percent in Attock.
The deprivation declined in Sialkot by 24.45 percent during this period. It declined by 19.34 percent in Shiekhupura, 18.76 percent in Lahore, 15.84 percent in Gujrat, 15.53 percent in Bhakkar, 14.87 percent in Narowal, 14.31 percent in Toba Tek Singh, 12.52 percent in Jhelum, 11.76 percent in Kasur, and 10.73 percent in Faisalabad. Baring Bhakkar and Toba Tek Singh the highest improvement in quality of life was attained in the central Punjab.
According to another report Rajanpur is the most deprived district of Pakistan. Rajanpur is basically not a part of proposed provinces of Multan and Bahawalpur and both Sindh and Baluchistan also claim it their part so it will in much better for Rajanpur that it should be granted a status of federal district like Islamabad.
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^ FASA = Federally Administered Settle Area ? 
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Maybe give Rajanpur to Sindh, so that it can develop it like its interior.
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So at the end IK too agreed for restoration of Bahawalpur province.
N.S. is too not opposing new provinces,
Just we are waiting their support for Multan province.
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Why should Punjab be divided??? Maybe in PPP's dreams. Balochistan should be divided into Baloch and Pashtun areas.
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Why should Punjab be divided??? Maybe in PPP's dreams. Balochistan should be divided into Baloch and Pashtun areas.
and why should Baluchistan be divided? just because a guppy named javedk said it?
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Actually Karachi was not part of Sindh. Historically it was part of Balochistan so please fix your facts. Jinnahpur was a conspiracy hatched by the Army and government to exterminate Urdu speakers and mqm members. Every province in Pakistan is based on ethnicity and named after them . Sindh for Sindhis, Balochistan for Balochis, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa for Pakhtuns and Punjab for Punjabis. So now where do Hazara people, Urdu speakers, Seraikis etc go? Making Karachi a separate province will help it develop much more as jagirdars from Interior Sindh will not be making decision for it. Then making northern Sindh a province would be good too, as Sukkur would become the capital and development would take place. Hyderabad would become capital of the remaining part of Sindh. Dividing Punjab into 3 provinces would be great. Balochistan into 3 provinces would be good too. And KP being divided into 2 provinces with Hazara becoming a province would be excellent.
Punj Ab means five rivers, Sindh is derived from the Indus river, as far as I know. In both cases, the provinces were named for geographic fatures, not for any ethnic group in particular. Obviously, the people became Punjabi or Sindhi regardless of their ethnic make up, because of where they lived. You beling a current resident of Sindh would by definition be a Sindhi. I mean, Punjabis certainly arent all one ethnic group and neither are Sindhis.
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Forget it. People don't want to divide their provinces into pieces.
Ask a Sindhi, Pukhtoon, Balochi and Punjabi and you'll get your answer.
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Depends on who you ask.
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Five rivers of Punjab are Jhelum, Channab ,Rawi , Sutlaj and Bias.
I am surprised why this simple demand of the people of Pakistan is being objected.
I have seen no Singh here who should have some problem with the heritage of his fore fathers, even their province East Punjab is divided into three .
Know more about Pakistan.
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Five rivers of Punjab are Jhelum, Channab ,Rawi , Sutlaj and Bias. I am surprised why this simple demand of the people of Pakistan is being objected. I have seen no Singh here who should have some problem with the heritage of his fore fathers, even their province East Punjab is divided into three .
I have no problem with it, and I certainly dont think anyone else would have a problem with it either. In fact its probably a good thing to have smaller states with more localized govt. If anyone is hung up on not being part of Punjab they can call their new province South or north Punjab etc.
The problem as always, seems to be with Political parties (ie PML N) who believe they stand to lose. But from my understanding of Pak, everything is generally blown out of proportion. At the end of the day, this is all nothing more then a storm in a teacup, and if they were to make new provinces, everything would be just fine.
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Today Mian Nawaz Sharif announced his support for new provinces.
Talking to the media men in Hyderabad he said that he has no problem with new provinces. He said that new provinces are a need of time. (As I heard at Tv)
According to ‘Dawn’
When queried for his party’s stance on creation of new provinces, Sharif proposed that an academic dialogue should be held on the matter.“I am not against new provinces as smaller administrations are able to perform better,” he added.
After his statement ,there is no party or group in Pakistan opposing new provinces.
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** High time for MPAs from Bahawapur and Multan to table a resolution for new provinces.**
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Good news;
Senate body asks govt to restore provincial status of Bahawalpur
Senate body asks govt to restore provincial status of Bahawalpur
BAHAWALPUR - The Senate Standing Committee on SAFRON Friday unanimously recommended to the federal government to restore the provincial status of Bahawalpur besides directing the concerned officials to provide all the details to the committee which would consider all the documents signed between Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Nawab of Bahawalpur Nawab Mohammed Sadiq IV.
The committee, which met here with Hafiz Abdur Rashid in the chair, was also attended by Maulana Mohammed Khan Shirani, Hasil Khan Bazenjo, Prof. Ibrahim Khan, Abdul Ghaffar Qureshi while the Nawab of Bahawalpur Salahuddin Abbasi and Senator Mohammad Ali Durrani attended the meeting on special invitation. The committee in its findings agreed that Bahawalpur Province should also had been restored besides the restoration of other provinces in 1970 as the state of Bahawalpur had been allotted provincial status under an agreement with the then Nawab of Bahawalpur. The members also agreed that merger of Bahawalpur into Punjab was a violation of the accession agreement reached between government and Nawab of Bahawalpur.
During the meeting, Nawab Salahuddin Abbasi briefed the meeting on the agreements reached between the state of Bahawalpur and the government of Pakistan prior to accession of the independent state into Pakistan. Bahawalpur was the first state which decided to accede to Pakistan and this decision by Nawab of Bahawalpur had urged rest of the states to decide in favour of Pakistan. This was also the first state, which was given a rovincial status under the agreement in 1951. In 1954, Bahawalpur as a federating unit decided to accede to West Pakistan and the first constituent assembly of the country had given provincial status to Bahawalpur in the same year. However, like other provinces, the Bahawalpur province also was merged with one unit in 1955 with a promise that its provincial status would be restored,” said Nawab Salahuddin.
However, he told the committee that in violation of all the agreements of 1951, 1954 and 1955 agreed between the Bahawalpur State and Pakistan government, the then chief martial law administrator General Yahya Khan usurped the rights of the people of Bahawalpur and merged it with Punjab Province with a status of a division.
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^ Hope it goes well :k: