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^^ noo noo the sets are with us.. The only thing done is just a nikah and thats it!
Can the divorce be applied from the uk?
And chances r that they aint gonn sign tge divorce/khula papers... What should we do in that case?
Re: Need ur advice and prayers during this hard ttime...
^^ noo noo the sets are with us.. The only thing done is just a nikah and thats it!
Can the divorce be applied from the uk?
And chances r that they aint gonn sign tge divorce/khula papers... What should we do in that case?
Please find an educated, reputable and knowledgeable sheikh to help you through this. Please don't just go to an uncle or one of the khandaan ke log and ask them to figure it out. This HAS to be done the right way. Yes, the divorce can be applied from the UK. If they don't sign the papers, in some cases the sheikhs will intervene and help out. In many cases, the sheikh grants the khula since the husband is not cooperating.
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Thanks Reha!!! My dad s consulting a lawyer and mamu a mufti/sheikh
Plz do remenber us in ur prayers as this is such a hard time for us…my sister is totally broken and shatterd 
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Another question:
What about the mahr?.. If she applies Khula, will she have the right to claim it? Cuz my sis has spent money for him …(paperwork a lawyer for the settlement of his visa etc etc)and Her (ex) husband hasn’t supported her in any situation, her inlaws accused her for all the things in the world and like mentioned before, they will do anything to ruin her life more. They will nevet ever give her talaak or agree with a Khula..
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If she applies for a Khula, then she will have to forfeit her mahar. I think the point of a khula is exactly that when a husband refuses to divorce, you can go to a qazi etc. and they can grant it. I don't know how it's in U.K. In Pakistan it's a lengthy process.
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^^
it will be a process in pk, my mamu will act as her “walli”/guardian, but we are scared that they start demanding money or things from our side. The mehr can go to the darkest side of i dunno were, but the most important thing for us is that they don’t start demanding money to claim things/money/from us
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may Allah make every thing easier for your sister and may she find a good husband insha Allah.
let's not blame the parents. they did every thing out of love. if someone can afford to adorn their children with the best things in life, then why shouldnt they? they had not thought that things will go this way.
good luck and stay strong.
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may Allah make every thing easier for your sister and may she find a good husband insha Allah.
let's not blame the parents. they did every thing out of love. if someone can afford to adorn their children with the best things in life, then why shouldnt they? they had not thought that things will go this way.
good luck and stay strong.
Ameen and In Shaa Allah! :)
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I’m not being sarcastic, it’s a serious question..what can happen if they demand money/things? Are you legally/Islamically obligated to give in to that demand if you ask for divorce?
Need ur advice and prayers during this hard ttime...
Be strong. You guys are in different continents. Inshallah pray to Allah and do what needs to be done. There must be a way in both UK and Pakistan to annul the marriage especially if it was not consummated. Your sister will need your emotional support and love. Inshallah there is light at the end of the tunnel. Money lost will inshallah be recouped at a later time .
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In a Khula, the wife foregoes the Mehr…that’s the catch. You want out then please be ready to let that go. If you want a divorce, then you have to fight him to give it to your sister. That won’t happen…at least not anytime soon.
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I'm not being sarcastic, it's a serious question..what can happen if they demand money/things? Are you legally/Islamically obligated to give in to that demand if you ask for divorce?
Sorry.. I thought it was sarcastic. Well that's sonethin i am not sure about. One says the guy has no right to claim the gifts that he has given to his wife. So those are hers. But like said before these people have crossed the limits of kameengi, so i dunno if we are obligated to go with the demands....
Be strong. You guys are in different continents. Inshallah pray to Allah and do what needs to be done. There must be a way in both UK and Pakistan to annul the marriage especially if it was not consummated. Your sister will need your emotional support and love. Inshallah there is light at the end of the tunnel. Money lost will inshallah be recouped at a later time .
Thanks twinklestar In Shaa Allah and Ameen! It's not about the lost money, mum and dad told my sis that she should see that as her sadqa. It's about the shatterd dreams and the process of khula/talaak... I hope that Allah will grant my sis justice and help her gettin a worthy spouse, who will stand next to her and support her in every possible way (ameen!)
In a Khula, the wife foregoes the Mehr...that's the catch. You want out then please be ready to let that go. If you want a divorce, then you have to fight him to give it to your sister. That won't happen...at least not anytime soon.
Yehi dar hey, that they won't give a divorce soon... And we don't know if they will come along with the Khula.. Do you know by chance if we need a lawyer in pk to? I mean if we apply it from here, would that be enough?
And if they get divorced from the uk law, will that be enough for the islamic way?
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I don't think ANY nikah namah counts as a legal marriage in the UK. There were a lot of articles about this in the past where women from PK has been living in the UK, married through nikah, then divorced by their hubbies and got jack all because the marriage was never recognised in UK law. If the marriage was not registered at a registry office, it's not legal under UK law. My parents always very strongly advise their friends in the UK who marry daughters to guys from PK to register the marriage the moment the couple gets back to the UK for the sake of protecting their daughters' future.
Get a divorce. This ridiculous saga has gone on long enough. You're living in the UK, not some pind in PK. Her reputation won't be damaged, and anyway better a damaged reputation than a lifetime of misery. Consult a lawyer, the marriage is not binding in the UK.
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^^ the wedding is registerd so recognized in the uk aswell... Thats not the deal... It was more about like what if the guy doesn't sign the papers...and how would such a process work and what time frame would get involved..
We have consulted a lawyer...we have an appointment on monday in shaa allah. I really hope and pray my sister gets justice from Allah swt and the court! Ameen
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Another thing:
the Inlaws are taking there anger out on my sis. They are spreading rumors and all that ... would it be wise that my parents go to pk and sort the things out themself, and should my sis go with them? Maybe this way they can end it for once and all?.... or would it be better to send a court notice from the uk?
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Sorry.. I thought it was sarcastic. Well that's sonethin i am not sure about. One says the guy has no right to claim the gifts that he has given to his wife. So those are hers. But like said before these people have crossed the limits of kameengi, so i dunno if we are obligated to go with the demands....
Thanks twinklestar In Shaa Allah and Ameen! It's not about the lost money, mum and dad told my sis that she should see that as her sadqa. It's about the shatterd dreams and the process of khula/talaak... I hope that Allah will grant my sis justice and help her gettin a worthy spouse, who will stand next to her and support her in every possible way (ameen!)
Yehi dar hey, that they won't give a divorce soon... And we don't know if they will come along with the Khula.. Do you know by chance if we need a lawyer in pk to? I mean if we apply it from here, would that be enough?
And if they get divorced from the uk law, will that be enough for the islamic way?
Some people do recognize the divorce decree in US as a form of talaaq in the Islamic way as well. You guys really need to find a reputable Sheikh and consult with him on this matter. He should be in the UK and familiar with the laws.
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I cannot say if its a good idea to go to Pakistan to fight these rumors they will undoubtedly spread.
In my eyes, I feel they're not worth the trip. I would not waste a second of my day with such people. But that's me and for some people this may be too harsh.
From your parents' perspective, they might want people to see their heart is in the right place and they tried. Going to Pak might dispell rumors being spread against their daughter. I get it and for the sake of the marriage...maybe they should go. Things are always better communicated in person versus over the phone. At the very least, your parents will find out if they made the right choices or not.
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why would anyone want to spend money and get a guy who doesnt even have a job or career yet?
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Some people do recognize the divorce decree in US as a form of talaaq in the Islamic way as well. You guys really need to find a reputable Sheikh and consult with him on this matter. He should be in the UK and familiar with the laws.
I cannot say if its a good idea to go to Pakistan to fight these rumors they will undoubtedly spread.
In my eyes, I feel they're not worth the trip. I would not waste a second of my day with such people. But that's me and for some people this may be too harsh.
From your parents' perspective, they might want people to see their heart is in the right place and they tried. Going to Pak might dispell rumors being spread against their daughter. I get it and for the sake of the marriage...maybe they should go. Things are always better communicated in person versus over the phone. At the very least, your parents will find out if they made the right choices or not.
Thanks Reha,
i wasn't that harsh :)....My parents decided that those people ain't worth it. They will be contacted by the lawyer and that's it. Talaak will be applied from UK. And if they don't sign, the judge in pk will annule the wedding
why would anyone want to spend money and get a guy who doesnt even have a job or career yet?
The guy has a job in PK. He is an emplyee at a bank (cashier) he has done his MBA ...but at this point, the whole education level doesn't say anything.
