Crankthatskunk,
I thought the purpose of advent of AnHuzur (saw) was to spread message of Islam to whole world, which was to believe in ONE GOD, Malaika, Prophets, Books and Day of Judgment, and to do good deeds with fellow human beings. right?
But, on the other hand, you are your likes are doing exactly contrary. You are wasting your efforts in declaring a group of people as “Kaafir”, who say that they are muslim and believe in everything that Prophet Muhammad (saw) has said, including the prophecy of the advent of Imam Mehdi, and Isa Ibne Maryam in later days.
And beware before you call your muslim fellows “kaafir”:
Chapter 27: THE CONDITION OF THE FAITH OF ONE WHO CALLS HIS BROTHER MUSLIM AN UNBELIEVER Book 001, Number 0116: It is reported on the authority of Ibn 'Umar that the Apostle (may Sall Allahu alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallim) observed: When a man calls his brother an unbeliever, it returns (at least) to one of them.
And if you say that what Ahmadies say by their tongue, don’ believe from their hearts, then read the following hadith:
Book 001, Number 0176: It is narrated on the authority of Usama b. Zaid that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat of Juhaina in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: There is no god but Allah, I attacked him with a spear. It once occurred to me and I talked about it to the Apostle (may peace be upon him). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Did he profess" There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him? I said: Messenger of Allah, he made a profession of it out of the fear of the weapon. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Did you tear his heart in order to find out whether it had professed or not? And he went on repeating it to me till I wished I had embraced Islam that day.
Now, it is clear that there is no room for any muslim to declare any other person “Kaafir” if he says he’s muslim and reads kalima.
And have you ever pondered upon the message of Holy Quran? Find me one Ayat in which Allah says that if a claimant appears then kill him and declare him kaafir and go around the world and kill whoever believes in that prophet and waste all your life in proving that he is wrong in his claim. No where will you find such ayat. However, Allah does say that if a there appears a false claimant then Allah alone will deal with him and that he will not be allowed to prosper in this world.
On contrary, Allah says several times in His Book that when a prophet comes, believe in him. For example:
Al-Nisa’ Chapter 4 : Verse 171](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=4&verse=170)
[RIGHT]يٰۤاَيُّهَا النَّاسُ قَدْ جَآءَكُمُ الرَّسُوْلُ بِالْحَـقِّ مِنْ رَّبِّكُمْ فَاٰمِنُوْا خَيْرًا لَّـكُمْؕ وَاِنْ تَكْفُرُوْا فَاِنَّ لِلّٰهِ مَا فِى السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضِؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ عَلِيْمًا حَكِيْمًا [/RIGHT]
O mankind, the Messenger has indeed come to you with Truth from your Lord; believe therefore, it will be better for you. But if you disbelieve, verily, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and in the earth. And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[RIGHT][4:171] اے لوگو! تمہارے پاس تمہار ے ربّ کی طرف سے حق کے ساتھ رسول آ چکا ہے۔ پس ایمان لے آؤ (یہ) تمہارے لئے بہتر ہوگا۔ پھر بھی اگر تم انکار کرو تو یقیناً اللہ ہی کا ہے جو آسمانوں اور زمین میں ہے اور اللہ دائمی علم رکھنے والا (اور) صاحبِ حکمت ہے[/RIGHT]
And then Allah shows us what happened to the people who disobeyed and disrespected His prophets. For example:
Al-Qasas Chapter 28 : Verse 60](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=28&verse=59)
[RIGHT][28:60]وَ مَا كَانَ رَبُّكَ مُهْلِكَ الْقُرٰى حَتّٰى يَبْعَثَ فِىْۤ اُمِّهَا رَسُوْلاً يَّتْلُوْا عَلَيْهِمْ اٰيٰتِنَا*ۚ وَمَا كُنَّا مُهْلِكِىْ الْقُرٰٓى اِلَّا وَاَهْلُه ظٰلِمُوْنَ [/RIGHT]
And thy Lord would never destroy the towns until He has raised in the mother *town *thereof a Messenger, reciting unto them Our Signs; nor would We destroy the towns unless the people thereof are wrongdoers.
[RIGHT][28:60] اور تیرا ربّ بستیوں کو ہلاک نہیں کرتا یہاں تک کہ ان (بستیوں) کی ماں میں رسول مبعوث کرچکا ہوتا ہے جو اُن پر ہماری آیات پڑھتا ہے۔ اور ہم اس کے سوا بستیوں کو ہلاک نہیں کرتے کہ ان کے بسنے والے ظالم ہوچکے ہوں۔[/RIGHT]
Al-Mu’min Chapter 40 : Verse 6](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=40&verse=0)
[RIGHT][40:6] كَذَّبَتْ قَبْلَهُمْ قَوْمُ نُوْحٍ وَّ الْاَحْزَابُ مِنْۢ بَعْدِهِمْ وَهَمَّتْ كُلُّ اُمَّةٍۢ بِرَسُوْلِهِمْ لِيَاْخُذُوْهُؕ وَجَادَلُوْا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوْا بِهِ الْحَقَّ فَاَخَذْتُهُمْ فَكَيْفَ كَانَ عِقَابِ [/RIGHT]
The people of Noah and other groups after them denied Our Signs before these people, and every nation strove to seize their Messenger, and disputed by means of false arguments that they might rebut the truth thereby. Then I seized them, and how* terrible *was My retribution
[RIGHT][40:6] ان سے پہلے نوح کی قوم نے بھی جھٹلایا تھا اور ان کے بعد مختلف گروہوں نے بھی اور ہر قوم نے اپنے رسول کے متعلق یہ پختہ ارادہ کیا تھا کہ وہ اسے پکڑلیں اور انہوں نے جھوٹ کے ذریعہ جھگڑا کیا تاکہ اس کے ذریعہ سے حق کو جھٹلادیں۔ تب میں نے انہیں پکڑ لیا۔ پس ( دیکھو) میری سزا کیسی تھی۔ [/RIGHT]
And then Allah says that every prophet that he has sent, has been called ‘Liar’, ‘Infidel’ and has been rejected. For example:
Al-An`am Chapter 6 : Verse 113](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=6&verse=112)
[RIGHT][6:113] وَكَذٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نَبِىٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيٰطِيْنَ الْاِنْسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوْحِىْ بَعْضُهُمْ اِلٰى بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُوْرًاؕ وَلَوْ شَآءَ رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوْهُ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُوْنَ [/RIGHT]
And in like manner have We made for every Prophet an enemy, evil ones from among men and Jinn. They suggest one to another gilded speech in order to deceive — and if thy Lord had *enforced *His will, they would not have done it; so leave them alone with that which they fabricate —
[RIGHT][6:113] اور اسی طرح ہم نے ہر نبی کے لئے جن و اِنس کے شیطانوں کو دشمن بنا دیا۔ ان میں سے بعض بعض کی طرف ملمّع کی ہوئی باتیں دھوکہ دیتے ہوئے وحی کرتے ہیں۔ اور اگر تیرا ربّ چاہتا تو وہ ایسا نہ کرتے۔ پس تُو ان کو چھوڑ دے اور اُسے بھی جو وہ اِفترا کرتے ہیں۔[/RIGHT]
Al-A`raf Chapter 7 : Verse 95](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=7&verse=94)
[RIGHT][7:95] وَمَاۤ اَرْسَلْنَا فِىْ قَرْيَةٍ مِّنْ نَّبِىٍّ اِلَّاۤ اَخَذْنَاۤ اَهْلَهَا بِالْبَاْسَآءِ وَالضَّرَّآءِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَضَّرَّعُوْنَ [/RIGHT]
And never did We send a Prophet to any town but We seized the people thereof with adversity and suffering, that they might become humble[7:95] اور ہم نے کسی بستی میں کوئی نبی نہیں بھیجا مگر اس کے رہنے والوں کو کبھی تنگی اور کبھی تکلیف سے پکڑلیا تاکہ وہ تضرّع
کریں۔
Al-Zukhruf Chapter 43 : Verse 8
[RIGHT][43:8] وَمَا يَاْتِيْهِمْ مِّنْ نَّبِىٍّ اِلَّا كَانُوْا بِهٖ يَسْتَهْزِءُوْنَ [/RIGHT]
But there never came to them a Prophet but they mocked at him.
[RIGHT][43:8] اور کوئی نبی ان کے پاس نہیں آتا تھا مگر وہ اس کے ساتھ تمسخر کیا کرتے تھے۔[/RIGHT]
Al-Hijr Chapter 15 : Verse 12](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=15&verse=11)
[RIGHT][15:12] وَمَا يَاْتِيْهِمْ مِّنْ رَّسُوْلٍ اِلَّا كَانُوْا بِهٖ يَسْتَهْزِءُوْنَ [/RIGHT]
And there never came to them any Messenger but they mocked at him.
[RIGHT][15:12] اور کوئی رسول ان کے پاس نہیں آتا تھا مگر وہ اس سے تمسخر کیا کرتے تھے۔[/RIGHT]
Al-`Ankabut Chapter 29 : Verse 19](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=29&verse=18)
[RIGHT][29:19] وَاِنْ تُكَذِّبُوْا فَقَدْ كَذَّبَ اُمَمٌ مِّنْ قَبْلِكُمْ*ؕ وَمَا عَلَى الرَّسُوْلِ اِلَّا الْبَلٰغُ الْمُبِيْنُ [/RIGHT]
‘And if you reject, then generations before you *also *rejected. And the Messenger is only responsible for the clear conveying of the Message
[RIGHT][29:19] اور اگر تم تکذیب کرو تو تم سے پہلے بھی کئی اُمّتیں تکذیب کر چکی ہیں۔ اور پیغمبر پر کھلا کھلا پیغام پہنچانے کے سوا کچھ فرض نہیں۔[/RIGHT]
YaSin Chapter 36 : Verse 31](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=36&verse=30)
[RIGHT][36:31] يٰحَسْرَةً عَلَى الْعِبَادِ *ۚ مَا يَاْتِيْهِمْ مِّنْ رَّسُوْلٍ اِلَّا كَانُوْا بِهٖ يَسْتَهْزِءُوْنَ [/RIGHT]
Alas for *My *servants! there comes not a Messenger to them but they mock at him
[RIGHT][36:31] وائے حسرت بندوں پر! ان کے پاس کوئی رسول نہیں آتا مگر وہ اس سے ٹھٹھا کرنے لگتے ہیں۔[/RIGHT]
So you see that it is not unusual to do mockery at Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahamd of Qadian (as) as it has been done to all other prophets of Allah that came previously, and this actually shows the sign of his truthfulness.
And if you say that there is no prophet after Muhammad (saw), then Quran reminds us Muslims, that this is not the first time, that this has been said. For example the following Ayat purports that Prophets have been coming in this world from time immemmorial but men are so constituted that whenever a prophet came, they rejected and opposed him. And when he died, they said that no prophet can come after him and the door of revelation was shut for ever. This attitude of disbelievers has led to rejection of every prophet.
Al-Mu’min Chapter 40 : Verse 35](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=40&verse=34)
[RIGHT][40:35] وَلَقَدْ جَآءَكُمْ يُوْسُفُ مِنْ قَبْلُ بِالْبَيِّنٰتِ فَمَا زِلْتُمْ فِىْ شَكٍّ مِّمَّا جَآءَكُمْ بِهٖؕ حَتّٰٓى اِذَا هَلَكَ قُلْتُمْ لَنْ يَّبْعَثَ اللّٰهُ مِنْۢ بَعْدِهٖ رَسُوْلاً ؕكَذٰلِكَ يُضِلُّ اللّٰهُ مَنْ هُوَ مُسْرِفٌ مُّرْتَابٌۚ ۖ [/RIGHT]
And Joseph did come to you before with clear proofs, but you ceased not to be in doubt concerning that with which he came to you till, when he died, you said: ‘Allah will never raise up a Messenger after him.’ Thus does Allah adjudge as lost those who transgress, *and *are doubters
[RIGHT][40:35] اور یقیناً تمہارے پاس اس سے پہلے یوسف بھی کھلے کھلے نشانات لے کر آچکا ہے مگر تم اُس بارہ میں ہمیشہ شک میں رہے ہو جو وہ تمہارے پاس لایا یہاں تک کہ جب وہ مر گیا تو تم کہنے لگے کہ اب اس کے بعد اللہ ہرگز کوئی رسول مبعوث نہیں کرے گا۔ اسی طرح اللہ حد سے بڑھنے والے (اور) شکوک میں مبتلا رہنے والے کو گمراہ ٹھہراتا ہے۔[/RIGHT]
Ofcourse, Ahmadies believe that there will be no “Shariati” or “Law bearing Prophet” after Muhammad (saw) as Quran tells us so, but to say that there will be no prophet (Ummati or Subordinate), then it is a contradiction to Quran, Hadith and belief of Sahaba (ra):
Hazrat Ayesha (ra) stated
“Certainly, do say, he, (The Holy Prophet), is the Seal of all Prophets, but do not say, there is no prophet after him.” (Takmala Majma-ul-Bihar p.15; Vol. 4, p. 85 by Hazrat Imam Sheikh Muhammad Tahir Gujrati)
And if you say that Quran declares AnHuzur (saw) as Khatam, so there can’t be any prophet after him. Then let me tell you that the word is “KHATAM” and not “KHATIM”:
Authentic Arabic Lexicons ((Lane); (Aqrab); (Mufradat); (Fath); (Zurqani) state that Khatam can mean 1) seal, stamp, mark, imprint, impress; 2) best and most perfect, embellishment or ornament; 3) to secure, protect oneself against a thing; 4) signet ring; 5) produce an impression or effect upon a thing; 6) the end or last part of a thing. Allah uses Khatam with a fatha, a stroke above and not with a kasra, which is a stroke below. Khatam’s primary meaning is seal, while khatim would definitively mean the last person/one.
Next I cite none other than Imam Bukhari himself.
Imam Bukhari has commented on this verse and said this means a mark on the Prophet (saw) holy person. Prophet Muhammad (saw) is Khatam in the sense that he is the possessor of the Seal of Prophets, without whose certification no one can even be considered to be a true prophet. He is Khatam in the sense that he is the best and quintessential example of a prophet. He is Khatam in the sense that like the signet ring he wore and used to seal documents,[2] he can create an impression of his character on whomsoever is worthy of receiving it. He is Khatam as he bore a birthmark[3] on his back that allowed Hazrat Salman Farsi (ra) to declare he was a true prophet. This birthmark was literally referred to as “Khatam An-Nubuwwa.”
Here are the authentic references of the above quote. Nowhere does Imam Bukhari state that it means last or Prophets. Instead he defines Muhammad (sa) as the Seal of Prophets in the sense that , " without whose certification no one can even be considered to be a true prophet"
[2] (Sahih Jami’ Bukhari, Vol. I, Book 3, #65, Book 10, #546, Book 11, #630; Vol. IV, Book 52, #189, Book 53, #338; Vol. VII, Book 72, #755-759, 761-764, 766-767; Vol. IX, Book 89, #276); (Sahih Jami’ Muslim, Book 4, #1336-1338; Ch. 11-12, Book 24, #5212-5229); (Sahih Jami’ Tirmidhi, Ch. 11, #1-8; Ch. 12, #1-9); (Sunan Abu Daud, Book 1, #19; Book 34, #4212, 4214-4215, 4217)
[3] (Sahih Jami’ Bukhari, Vol. I, Book 4, #189; Vol. IV, Book 52, 305, Book 56, #741; Vol. VII, Book 70, #574; Vol. VIII, Book 73, #22, Book 75, #363); (Sahih Jami’ Muslim, Ch. 27-28, Book 30, #5789-5793); (Sahih Jami’ Tirmidhi, Ch.2, #1-8); (Sunan Abu Daud, Book 32, #4071)
Here is the testimony of one of the most well known scholars of Islam.
Hazrat Maulvi Abul Qaseem Nantovi, the renowned founder of the Deoband Academy states, “In the conception of the masses the Holy Prophet (saw) was Khatam in the sense that he came after all the other prophets and that he was the last prophet of all. But it is evident that in the estimation of the wise no superiority whatever attaches to precedence in time or its reverse … If a prophet appeared after the Holy Prophet (saw), it would in no way affect his finality.” (Tahzirunnas, Saharanpur, pp. 3, 28)
But there is much much more evidence. Below I provide just a few more unique Hadeeth that are very relavent to this situation.
Abu Bakr is the best of men after me except a prophet should appear.”(Kanzul Ummal)
“Abu Bakr is the best of the people after me except one who may be a prophet.”(Tabrani Kabir Kamil Ibne Adi quoted in Jame Saghir by Imam Suyuti, p.5)
“Abu Bakr is the best of my followers except anyone who might be a prophet.”(Dalmy quoted by Kanzul Haqaiq of Imam Mondadi, p. 7)
“Abu Bakr holds the highest place in this Ummah except that a prophet is raised amongst them.”(Kanzul Haqaiqi Hadith Khair-el-Khalaiq by Alama Abdur Rauf, Munavi)
But I have more reference from previous scholars of Islam which are as follows:
‘The rising of prophets after the Khatamar Rasul Hazrat Muhammad, the Chosen One, peace and blessings be upon him, from among his own followers and as a heritage, does not in any way run counter to his status as the Khatamar rasul. Therefore, O reader, do not be among those who doubt.’
Maktubat Imam Rabbani, Hazrat Mujaddid Alf Thani
‘From the study and contemplation of the Darud we have arrived at the definite conclusion that there shall, from among the Muslims, certainly be persons whose status, in the matter of prophethood, shall advance to the level of prophets, if Allah pleases. But they shall not be given any book of law.’
Fatuhati Makiyyah: Vol 1. pg 545
The Muhaddith of Dehli, Hazrat Shah Wali Ullah subscribed to this opinion and stated:
‘The meaning of the Holy Prophet being the Khataman Nabiyeen is that there shall not now appear a person whom God may appoint with a new Law for mankind, that is to say, there shall be no prophet who shall come with a new Law.’
(Tafheemati Ilahiyyah pg. 53)
Hazrat Sayyed Abdul Karim Jilani, the renowned mystic of the 8th century Hijra was of the opinion that:
'The coming of the Law bearing prophets, after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings on him, has ceased as he has been exalted to be the Khataman Nabiyeen because he brought with him such a perfect law as no other prophet had brought before him.
(Al Insanul Kamil: Vol 1. Ch 36. Pg 68)
The great saint, Hazrat Maulana Room (Rehmatullah Alaihi) writes:
“Make such plans to perform righteousness in the way of God that you attain prophethood within the Ummat (religious community)”
(Mathnavi Maulana Room, Daftar I, pg. 53) [size=]
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So, the matter is clear that there can appear subordinate prophets after Muhammad (saw).
And if you say that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (as) was Nauzobillah, “a liar”, then my friend - you don’t have to do anything, as it is Allah who deals with such a people who forge a lie against HIM, as said in Quran:
Al-Haqqah Chapter 69 : Verse 45](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=44)
[RIGHT][69:45] وَلَوْ تَقَوَّلَ عَلَيْنَا بَعْضَ الْاَقَاوِيْلِۙ [/RIGHT]
And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us
[RIGHT][69:45] اور اگر وہ بعض باتیں جھوٹے طور پر ہماری طرف منسوب کر دیتا ۔[/RIGHT]
Al-Haqqah Chapter 69 : Verse 46](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=45)
[RIGHT][69:46] لَاَخَذْنَا مِنْهُ بِالْيَمِيْنِۙ [/RIGHT]
We would surely have seized him by the right hand
[RIGHT][69:46] تو ہم اُسے ضرور داہنے ہاتھ سے پکڑ لیتے۔ [/RIGHT]
Al-Haqqah Chapter 69 : Verse 47](http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=46)
[RIGHT][69:47] ُمَّ لَقَطَعْنَا مِنْهُ الْوَتِيْنَ ۖ [/RIGHT]
And then surely We would have severed his life-artery [69:47]پھر ہم یقیناً اُس کی رگ
[RIGHT]جان کاٹ ڈالتے۔ [/RIGHT]
Crankthatskunk: I think, if you had spent half of your time in spreading message of Islam to non-muslims, that would be much better use of your time. As no where has God mentioned that calling a Muslim as “Kaafir” will have a reward in hereafter or proving someone as “Kaafir” will have a reward.
Peace!
