Salamulaykum i have 2 people that are ahmedies and i want to say something to them that can make them think that they are beliving something wrong
so can any brothers help jaskallah
Shezad brother
the experience i have had with ahmadis to whom you try to show the truth or even if you question them is that they are simply not ready to accept it, they are so SCARED
you have to understand that an ahmadi is not an ahmadi because of religious belief. it is a CULT. a SOCIAL binding. an ahmadi does not want to leave this cult because if he does
- his family will be disgraced and kicked out of the cult automatically and they will blame him for the rest of his life for disgracing him. if an ahmadi guy is even convinced of the truth, he cannot leave the cult, because his father will say "you have disgraced me in front of my family and community. who will marry your sisters now? is this the reason why your grandfather's generation and my generation have been facing hardship so that you abandon us and disgrace us?"
you see they are SOCIALLY BOUND - it is unbelievable.
thruout their life they have been part of this closely knit cult that has a feeling of "we suffer together" [which also is created by propaganda as i do not believe they are vistimised at all]. so for them leaving their "fellow sufferrers" is made out to be a matter of shame and they are accused of being "materialistic" if they leave the cult.
trust me i have known ahmadis close.
i just do not understand why, if an ahmadi does something, him AND HIS FAMILY is kicked out of the jamaat? i mean, just punish the culprit.
its a modern day slavery. cult. amazing.
but people are beginning to realise the truth and get out of it.
i know a lot of ahmadi girls in pakistan who have said bye bye to ahmadiat and gotten married to non-ahmadi guys. tired of slavery to khalifa. and then the ahmadis exchange information about those girls rejoicing at every misfortune that befalls their lives saying "see they were murtids they deserved it"
this is the reason why majority of young ahmadis in pakistan have no knowledge about ahmadiyat and are simply not interested in learning more
they portray themselves to be normal Muslims (mind you they will never tell others they are ahmadi)
they usually don't have any inclination to marry within jamaat unless they don't meet someone good thru their own
they are not proud of who they are at all. simply coz they know they r wrong but they r STUCK coz of their elders who unfortunately chose the wrong path and damned them eternally. poor kids.
I am an Ahmadi and alhumdolilah am very proud to be one and i dont hide it from anyone … why would i? this is what i believe in and alhumdolilah all my friends who are not ahmadi, they respect me for wat i believe in … and yeh i would NOT marry anyone who is not ahmadi… only because i strongly believe in Ahmadiyyat
THERE i said it now stop going around and telling ppl that young ahmadis dont know what they believe in and they are scared and blah blah blah LOL
it's one thing to say proudly you're ahmadi on a web forum.
it's another thing to tell people you're ahmadi in person and face the reaction from them :) they'll not like you for implicitly holding blasphemous beliefs and they will think of you as being if not non-Muslim then definitely a misguided Muslim. living with this reality is not so easy for majority young ahmadis :)
also, it's difficult for the typical young person who has dreams of "will meet mr/ms. right in college etc and get married" to find an ahmadi there. people don't find the idea of getting married thru arranged setup by jamaat very appealing. i'm talking about young people. they "fall in love" with people around them (mostly sunni/shias) and then end up marrying them and saying bye to ahmadiyat.
it's not a hidden fact from Anyone that 99% of young ahmadis in pakistan don't reveal their identity.
i live in Pakistan and i know about this very well. :)
your neighbor can be an ahmadi for years and you'll never find out.
in pakistan, majority ahmadis don't even mark ahmadi in their ID cards and passports.
sorry to interrupt your discussion, but i think ahmadis (or whatever other names they r known as) hide their identity because they r persecuted.. i'm not ahmadi but as a shia ismaili, i sometimes faced similiar situations..although i told most ppl i was ismaili but i didn't tell some ppl who i knew would try to engage in arguments n say bad stuff about my imam, n then i would say bad stuff about some sunni personalities n i'd be outnumbered.. simple reason... saving one's life by staying quiet... that's why i understand why ahmadis would hide their identity.. not becoz they r not proud of their identity but they fear for their lives.. i hope u understand now..:)
it's one thing to say proudly you're ahmadi on a web forum.
it's another thing to tell people you're ahmadi in person and face the reaction from them :) they'll not like you for implicitly holding blasphemous beliefs and they will think of you as being if not non-Muslim then definitely a misguided Muslim. living with this reality is not so easy for majority young ahmadis :)
also, it's difficult for the typical young person who has dreams of "will meet mr/ms. right in college etc and get married" to find an ahmadi there. people don't find the idea of getting married thru arranged setup by jamaat very appealing. i'm talking about young people. they "fall in love" with people around them (mostly sunni/shias) and then end up marrying them and saying bye to ahmadiyat.
take some badams early in the morning, i heard its good for brain
and also use eyeglases if your eyes are bad:D
and try to live in a real world
@townboy
we are never ever scared by disrimination or anything, even we dont need to hide our identity, beside that peoples in our neighbour well known about ahamdies living among them. peace
@townboy
we are never ever scared by disrimination or anything, even we dont need to hide our identity, beside that peoples in our neighbour well known about ahamdies living among them. peace
well, try telling you r ahmadi/ "qadiyani" in peshawar in the middle of a bazaar... u just might end up in a hospital.. or the least would be thousands of curses upon Mirza Ghulam Ahmad by everyone present... in such a society/city, i'd rather hide my religious identity..
Well, atleast he is happy with who he is…regardless of what people think about him. We can ignore the historical facts, but we can’t change them. We all know that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Agakhan 1 were British agent to destroy Muslims unity in British India, both started a new religion.
And both Aga Khan and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claim direct descent of Rasulullah (saw) and both were against Jihad.
time is showing who is friend ally of USA/Britiish, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
even they able to change of govts and inland policies. in FRIENDSHIP…
kha kha ke $$$$$ in the name of donate dakar bhi nahi marti ye qoom.
and dont say plz its not me, jesi rooh wese frishte.
and baout Jehad, its a very different topic, if u need some answers or brifefing about it how ahamdies point of view on it plz open a new thread.
peace
EyesOnSky, in your case you need more than badaams. try visiting a psychiatrist. good luck.
a-town, the problem is, you guys want to be ismaili but you want same treatment as sunnis. tell me how that is possible. there is absolutely no discrimination towards ismailis, you guys have your jamaat khaanas all over the place in pakistan and all ismailis openly tell who they are.
if you're scared of telling people who you are, till what extent will you hide yourself? if you're so strong about your beliefs, be proud and proclaim openly and be ready for debate. do Muslims not tell their Non-Muslim colleagues in Europe/USA etc that they're Muslim? do hijabi women not wear hijab? are they also scared of being outnumbered? it's about your belief - how strong it is. one should be afraid only of Allah.
and no one kills ismailis, or even ahmadis for the matter, just because of who they are, even in the most remote areas of pakistan.
as for the ahmadi deaths in Pakistan (the very few over the years, which again could have been accidental as all people from all sects are getting killed sometime or the other in Pakistan), i have heard that the khalifas themselves have a mafia and anyone who comes to know their dirty personal secrets or stuff about how the Ahmadi jamaat is being mismanaged.. (the chandas etc).. they want that person to be silenced. so these sporadic few ahmadis deaths could have been the work of the khalifas themselves. if Pakistanis really had to kill Ahmadis, as i have said several times in the forum, Rabwah would not be overflowing with ahmadis in the heart of Punjab and there wouldn't be ahmadi mosques all over the country and people freely visiting them. even if azaan does not happen there.
Listen to yourself...seriously! Let people believe what they believe. To me you are all delusional, am I going around telling people that they are wrong? I listen and dismiss what I "believe" to be wrong. Find faith within, believe what you heart and soul tells you to believe. Stop scrutinizing others for what they believe, for all you know, you may all be wrong in the end. Faith has no logic...what are you all fighting about?
EyesOnSky, in your case you need more than badaams. try visiting a psychiatrist. good luck.
a-town, the problem is, you guys want to be ismaili but you want same treatment as sunnis. tell me how that is possible. there is absolutely no discrimination towards ismailis, you guys have your jamaat khaanas all over the place in pakistan and all ismailis openly tell who they are.
if you're scared of telling people who you are, till what extent will you hide yourself? if you're so strong about your beliefs, be proud and proclaim openly and be ready for debate. do Muslims not tell their Non-Muslim colleagues in Europe/USA etc that they're Muslim? do hijabi women not wear hijab? are they also scared of being outnumbered? it's about your belief - how strong it is. one should be afraid only of Allah.
and no one kills ismailis, or even ahmadis for the matter, just because of who they are, even in the most remote areas of pakistan.
as for the ahmadi deaths in Pakistan (the very few over the years, which again could have been accidental as all people from all sects are getting killed sometime or the other in Pakistan), i have heard that the khalifas themselves have a mafia and anyone who comes to know their dirty personal secrets or stuff about how the Ahmadi jamaat is being mismanaged.. (the chandas etc).. they want that person to be silenced. so these sporadic few ahmadis deaths could have been the work of the khalifas themselves. if Pakistanis really had to kill Ahmadis, as i have said several times in the forum, Rabwah would not be overflowing with ahmadis in the heart of Punjab and there wouldn't be ahmadi mosques all over the country and people freely visiting them. even if azaan does not happen there.
either u r making up or you dont know any real ahmadi in pakistan....
lol in ma city they cant go for jumma namaz anymore..... Friday use to be like eid and now they all have to stay home and pray .....
it's not a hidden fact from Anyone that 99% of young ahmadis in pakistan don't reveal their identity.
i live in Pakistan and i know about this very well. :)
your neighbor can be an ahmadi for years and you'll never find out.
in pakistan, majority ahmadis don't even mark ahmadi in their ID cards and passports.
WHEN i said all ma frds knew that i am ahmadi i WAS NOT talking about cyber frds lols
i was talking about real friends in real world :P
all ma teachers, school mates, friends, neighbours IN PAKISTAN knew that i am ahmadi and i never tried to hide that i am ahmadi ....
and earlier you were saying that if someone leaves ahmadiyyat they are treated really badly so let me tell you, half of ma family is not ahmadi from both of ma parents' side.... but everyone is cool abt it... if they no longer wana be ahmadi thats no one's business.
and if some ahmadis want to find their mr/miss perfect in college or uni that is not ma problem... and i dont see how its related to Ahmadiyyat at all
and i dont hide it from anyone … why would i? this is what i believe in and alhumdolilah all my friends who are not ahmadi, they respect me for wat i believe in … and yeh i would NOT marry anyone who is not ahmadi… only because i strongly believe in Ahmadiyyat 