[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by aravamudhan: *
Is it just me or also fact that Kobe seems to elevate a lot higher than Michael?
[/QUOTE]
Kobe may be better than Micheal but i don't think that anyone can match VC. The only reason that he isn't getting as much spotlight as Kobe is because of the fact that he plays for Toronto, my hometown, which lacks experience and much needed talent. If Vince were to play for Lakers or some any other famous teams like that, I have no doubt in my mind that he would have, even right now, earned the stardom that he much deserves. I'm still a bit surprised that for the all-star game ppl voted for him the most in east because personnaly i thought that Allen Iverson would have gotten more votes.
Once again another Laker revival, how many times we have witness that, every year they start out horribly and suddenly they start playing good bb after the all star break.
So what do you guys think, Is Kobe Bryant the greatest basketball player of all time.
He is the youngest to reach 10,000 points in NBA history, way younger than Shaq, Jordan did.
Exactly. Jordan and Shaq reached 10,000 points at age 25. Kobe acheieved this milestone at 24 age. :k: Staples Center goes crazy …Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.
Lakers Triumph continues as they beat Minnesota Timberwolves (106-96), yeh!. **Shaquille O’Neal was the dominant force in the game, scoring 40 points, grabbing 14 rebounds and blocking five shots; and Bryant scored 30 points as the Lakers extended their home winning streak to seven games. :k: :k:
Los Angeles Lakers Standing:** 33-26, Third, Pacific.
Next Lakers Game with Sixers on Sunday March 9th, 03. You can watch it on ABC.
Ok, enough about Kobe Bryant being the greatest of all time....he's not even the best in the NBA right now! That distinction would have to go to Tracy McGrady or Tim Duncan.
The greatest player of all time is Michael Jordan. After Jordan, it's Russell, Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Malone, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Jerry West, and Shaq and/or many other interchangeable players. In fact Kobe wouldn't even make the top 50 right now. He may rank among the all time greats, but not just yet.
Kobe does have an amazing streak going (his past 9 game streak of 40+ points and becoming the youngest to score 10,000 points); I'll give that to him. There's no denying that he has amazing talent, but he is too much of an individual player and not a team player. Early in the season when Shaq was out, the Lakers were horrible. It was all about Kobe and he proved he couldn't carry the team. He can't take a team far without Shaq. Look at McGrady and what he's done with the Magic, despite the minimal talent he has to play with. To me, it seems like Kobe is trying too hard to fill the stat sheet and it's less about the team.
Let's put Kobe's 10,000 point milestone in perspective. Kobe entered he NBA at 17 and played his first game at 18. He scored his 10,000 point at 24 years, 193 days. That is approximately 6 1/2 years after coming in to the NBA. Bob McAdoo (the previous holder of the youngest to 10,000 points) entered the NBA at 21 years old and scored his 10,000th point at 25 years, 148 days, or only 4 1/2 years. Jordan also took 4 1/2 years and Shaq took 5 1/2. Kobe's milestone is due to him being in the league at such an early age. I predict McGrady (also enterd the NBA out of high school) will break Kobe's hold as the youngest player to 10,000 next year while playing team basketball.
Oh my, the Laker and Kobe bashers. You guys are really amusing. And look who your fav players are McGrady and Carter :p.
Lets see what Kobe has done lately: He averaged 40.6 points in February, including 9 consecutive games of at least 40 points (that tied MJ's record) and 13 consecutive games with at least 35 points.
So he is not a team player? I think you havent watched Laker games lately to make a comment like that. Lets take a look back in history and see how he has helped his team win games that count :
Lets start with postseason victories, cos when it comes to championship all that counts is playoffs and how yoou play in playoffs. Regular season stats are just a formality. Kobe led the Lakers in every important statistical category in Game 7 of the 2000 Western Conference finals against Portland. When O'Neal fouled out of Game 4 of the NBA Finals that year, Bryant took control in overtime. In the Lakers' second championship run, he iced San Antonio with a huge three-point shot in Game 2 of the conference finals.
He got the Spurs again with 10 points in the last five minutes, including that memorable offensive rebound and layup in Game 4 last year. And he came through with the game-sealing jumper against the New Jersey Nets in Game 3 of the Finals. The result ? Another championship for the Lakers.
The point im trying to make is simply this, Kobe knows how to win the game, whether he has to take matters in his own hands or give to Shaq or the supporting cast. He may not be the best player in NBA or best player ever but he knows what it takes to win a playoff game, whereas McGrady or Carter dunno how postseason or playoffs look like. These two may be your high-flying, glass-breaking, slam-dunking acrobats but they dont have what it takes to be an NBA champion. At least not yet.
PT: btw, Kobe is 24 years of age. Also, San Anotonio will definitely make the playoffs, they are 3rd in Western Conference standings and 8 teams from each conference will go to playoffs.
Umair: No one in the league has more playoffs experience than Lakers and Phil Jackson. Thats one big advantage they have over anyone else. Who is more hungrier for championship this year? Its the Kings and they know in their heart that if they are ever to see that trophy up close they gotta get that monnkey off their back and beat the Lakers in 7 game playoffs series. Maaaaaan, I love this game :D
Still I think that MJ was the greatest ever to wear an NBA uniform. Players like him are born once in a century. He is a living legend.
Look carefully. I did not say McGrady was my favorite player. I said McGrady or Duncan were the best in the NBA now. Add Garnett in there too even. Kobe would probably come in 4th. I think McGrady doesn't get his proper due as a player because he plays in a small market and the only highlights that they show of him are "Sportscenter type" ones.
Kobe's streak is amazing. I said that. But I think sometimes Kobe thinks about his score rather than the team score. It's good to take over games (especially having dominant skills), but when you play so obsessively you tend to lose focus of the team structure. I think that's a problem with Kobe.
Kobe Bryant is a good playoff player, but would he really win championships without Shaq? For instance, who would win if this was the NBA Finals:
Lakers with Bryant, Fisher, Fox, Horry, and Walker or the Magic with McGrady, Armstrong, Miller, Garrity, and DeClercq. Kobe and McGrady basically cancel each other out, so I choose the Magic because I feel McGrady would help his teammates out more than Bryant would.
BTW, forget Carter. He doesn't know what defense is, he's too soft, and has one skill (we all know what that is).
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
PT: btw, Kobe is 24 years of age.
[/quote]
Nope.
Kobe's DOB is 08/03/78, which makes him 23, not 24.
[quote]
Also, San Anotonio will definitely make the playoffs, they are 3rd in Western Conference standings and 8 teams from each conference will go to playoffs.
[/quote]
Yeah, man. It seems like. Tim Duncan has been truly amazing.
[quote] Originally posted by BW45:
But I think sometimes Kobe thinks about his score rather than the team score. It's good to take over games (especially having dominant skills), but when you play so obsessively you tend to lose focus of the team structure. I think that's a problem with Kobe.
[/quote]
That's your thought but let me ask you anyway, why would he think so, Ha? He's the match winner for Lakers along with Shaq. Only problem Lakers need to overcome is to get as many points from the bench players. By looking at the previous games, Fisher, Fox, Horry have been very supportive to Kobe and Shaq, above all Lakers. But that's not enough, I feel.
Look at Bobby Jackson. He always score 15+ points, which lead Kings to victory. This is what Lakers needs to focus on.
Kobe's DOB is 08/03/78, which makes him 23, not 24.
[/QUOTE]
LOL! PT c'mon did we forget to do the math :D
His DOB is actuallt 8/23/1978 and he will be 25 years of age on 8/23/2003. That makes him 24 years of age right now. You do the math h0mie ;) I know what im talking bout :p
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by proudpakistani007: *
*now whr are the sixers fan *
[/QUOTE]
proudpakistani007. Lakers and Sixers play tomorrow Sunday, Mar. 9 12:30 pm. Game will be on ABC. Be there to witness the good old fashioned butt kicking by the Lakers :D
proudpakistani007. Lakers and Sixers play tomorrow Sunday, Mar. 9 12:30 pm. Game will be on ABC. Be there to witness the good old fashioned butt kicking by the Lakers /QUOTE
ohh that will be great
thanks for lettin me know the timmings..
btww yeh koi important matchj hia?? sorry dunno about anything about this season:(
Shaquille O'Neal was 14-for-24 from the field Sunday March 9, 03.
Oops, Lakers did it again. :D
Wonderful game. Sixers had 15+ rebounds and couldn't make buckets, aweee. That's something they really need to work on for sure. Though, Sixers had a great road trip, winning 8 out of 10 games. :)
Shaq, as usual, dominated, had a game-high 39 points and hauled in 10 boards while Bryant finished with 28 points and nine assists for the Lakers' victory (106-92) over the Sixers. Allen Iverson played good, the only player from the Sixers side.
What's good about the game was that bench players from the Lakers are scorin' double figures, which is really helping them. If they keep going on with the same pace or more, I don't see NBA Championship Trophy goin' outside from the L.A. Lakers hands. ;)
Lakers will face Chicago Bulls on Tuesday, March 11, 03.
but PT i guess hamara bura waqt third quatter kay start main hogaya tha.. jab hamain iverson aur horn par foul hua aur phir ball bhi lakers ko mil gayee.. so 6 points to aiween hi mil gayee lakers ko
kahir.. we are the bestt in east.. wishhh we could have beat u guys
BTW.. iverson is the 3rd best players of NBA in this season..
MacGrath
Bryant (youngest player who completed his 10 k points)
[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by proudpakistani007: *
MacGrath
Bryant (youngest player who completed his 10 k points)
[/QUOTE]
Oh what I wouldn't give to see McGrath playing basketball! :D
It's McGrady, proudpakistani007.
Mark my words everyone, it'll be the Kings and Hornets who'll prove to be the toughest opposition in their respective conferences. For one simple reason: they both have that synergy to make runs as a team, and don't rely on individual flashes of brilliance to function.
It was Iverson’s fault. He shouldn’t have argued with the referree. Sixers Coach Lary Brown, and Hill came forward in defendin’ Iverson. Turns out, referre gave Three Technical fouls. It was like Kobe shooting the ball alone in the court.
Sixers played average, though, they had a fantastic road trip, losing two games out of ten. Kobe was flying all over the court, not giving any chances to the Sixers, blocking almost every shot. Shaq dominated by using this body language, and rest of the Lakers did well.
Sixers will make it through the Playoffs if the team members not just back Iverson, Eric Snow(who btw was outta form today) but also make couple of buckets. Keith Van Horn would have made the difference but he just played below average, four times fouled. That’s what Sixers really need to focus on, avoid as much as personal fouls.
Kings are from Sacromento and Hornets are from New Orleans.
/QUOTE
