Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (MERGED)

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For those who favor army operations against people of pakistan it is worthwhile to look at an article published in fridaytimes 2 years ago , according to the article, there were only 3 articles published in the mainstraem newprint media against the Army operation in east pakistan which eventually resulted in the loss of our Eatern half. The vast majority of so called scholars/journalists in west pakistan were in favor of army action, they considered pakistan army as saviours. I can see the same thing being repeated in balochistan unless we learn to solve matters politically and take action against culprits in a lawfull manner. When unelected governments and army take one sided action the results are disastrous

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Wow!

smiley wale pakre gaye
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good point. The so called 'defenders' of Pakistan massacred and then surrendered half of Pakistan and have come close to losing other parts of Pakistan. A situation that can't continue forever.

In life, Bugti was considered to be a typical feudal, often greedy and cruel. Because of Pak Army actions, he will be remebered as a legendary hero to the Balochi cause, ironic.

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^
The operation in Balochistan now is no different to the one launched by ZAB in the 1970's, and the one launched by BB and Naserullah KHAN Babur against the MQM in the 1990's. All three operations were absolutely necessary to elimnate terrorism.

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haha, well him being a Bhutto supporter, lets see what he has to say about that operation...

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As someone else already pointed out to you, the operation against the MQM terrorists in Karachi was completely different in every way than the operation against Balochi rebels in the interior of Balochistan.

To your simple way of seeing things, it may seem the same, but all factors involved are different.

The operation against the Baloch in the 70's was simply a continuation of the slaughter in East Pakistan. By any objective standard, the Baloch have a right to fight the injustice that has been visited on them every since they joined Pakistan.

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Muttahida Qaumi Movement leader Altaf Hussain condemned the killing of Nawab Bugti and expressed condolences with the Bugti family. He said that his party had always opposed the military operation in Balochistan and called for talks to resolve the issue.

This is so funny, a terrorist/criminal trying to be 'reasonable and sensible'.

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Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was not out to slaughter the Balochis’ when he ordered the 70’s operation! He was protecting the territorial integrity of Pakistan. No one has given any reason why the Pashtun-Sindhi led operation against the MQM was different to the one’s against the Balochi terrorists.

The Balochi terrorists like the MQM were murdering civilians. bombing national infrastructure, operating private prisons, killing security personel and hunting down their opponents in their own communities.

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So TRD when you say this operation is just a slaughter by the Pakistani Army, what would you say about the operation headed by your beloved leader Zulfi Bhutto, now dont get me wrong, I support Zulfi's operation that he led in the 70s, its just that you are being a little inconsistent here, either you say both Mushy and Zulfi Bhutto (the latter whom you revere so much, your leader) were butchers, or say both of them did it to prevent a greater evil.

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Completely untrue, and you were already told how it is different.

How can you even compare the state of Karachi when MQM was on the rampage to the state of Quetta, even under the height of 'BLA' activities.

Bugti's men targeted almost exclusively Pak Army/govt targets who they viewed as occupiers.

They didn't randomly kill/torture thousands of civilians. Pipelines were targeted as they were viewed as a way of stealing Balochistan resources.

You can't compare the effect of the MQM on Karachi to the effect of Bugti/BLA on Quetta.

MQM and Bugti/BLA are completely different organisations with entirely different reasons for being. If you don't want to realise this fact, nothing more can be said.

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I know, a country full of terrorists is claiming they eliminated one. Funny.

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You should brush up on some ground realities, destroying pipelines, gas fileds, bombing buildings and kiiling 11 chinese engineers at Gawadar is not targeting the army but it is terrorism.

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Spock, the incosistencies and hypocrisy is for all to see.

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one at a time chanda, one at a time, and once we are done we would focus on other terrorists :wink:

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The Dawn report;
http://dawn.com/2006/08/27/top1.htm

With a Colonel (probably Lt. Col), 2 Majors and 3 Captains along with many ORs martyred, it’s obvious it was quite a battle.
Why should any private force be strong enough to fight the national Army with such might? Why should anyone have a pvt army at all!?
Where from and for what motives did they have these forces?

While no one’s death should be celebrated and indeed it’s sad that an old man who had once held imp positions in the and who was a part of Pakistan’s politics for decades (thought that too because he was born a sardar and ‘king’) met his end this way, I must say, nothing is bigger than Pakistan. Musharraf, his govt and the Pakistan Army are not fighting a personal war. One can either understand that or plainly refuse to.
May Bugti’s soul rest in peace, he did have a smart personality.

But. What did Bugti lay down his life for!?
Certainly not the well being and/or rights of ‘his people’ or ‘his land’!
The govt tried solving it all through diplomacy, talks, minor operations etc for about a year and a half. I’m afraid that’s as far as he could have gone.
He was not a ‘Baloch Nationalist’, he was a feudal, a tyrant sardar, wih little value for human life or little emotion for commoners’ sufferings. His war was for his ‘jagir’, the unexplored ‘illaqaa ghairs’ of Balochistan which was rich in poor ppl who were born as slaves to the sardar. The natural resources remained hostage to him and national assets installed in ‘his areas’ kept being blown up whenever ransom was refused or when he needed reassurance of his ‘supreme rule’. He had pvt jails, torture chambers, countless wealth, slaves, palaces, assets.
Can a person proud of his ‘1st’ murder at age ‘12yrs’ breed compassion for anything but his self? God forbid.
If he really were holdong that much passion for ‘his’ Baloch ppl, where did all his love evaporate to and why did it remain invisible throughout his 80 yrs!?
Was he planning to do smthng for them after his 100th birthday!?

Sure the politicians and also those like him will use this for their agendas and make fire out of it, but the truth is, Baloch people, who are Pakistan’s people and our brethren, are jubilant and had declared freedom from Bugti few days ago. The Balochi commoner is happy, politics though presents a diff picture which is false and the truth will come up once the dust settles. The rest of the league i.e. Marri sardars and Mengals as well as all tyrants, feduals, seperatists, anti-Pakistan elements, traitors and personal agenda based war makers throughout the country and abroad will take good lesson from this. No one is bigger than Pakistan!

A salute to the forces that took part and to the many soldiers lost in these battles during the 1.5 yr or so and particularly the 6 officers and 20 smthng soldiers who laid down their lives yesterday. May their souls rest in peace and the govt should recognize their sacrifice and valour.

Long live Pakistan. May there be peace within and peace without, may we all have harmony and brotherhood. May there be no such issues in future and may this be an end to the miserable chaos prevailing throughout the country.

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Interesting article by argubaly Pakistan’s most famous journalist/novellist :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5290966.stm

In his death and the manner in which it was carried out, Sardar Akbar Bugti is likely to become a martyred hero for Baloch nationalism and nationalists elsewhere in Pakistan - rather than the anti-government renegade and reactionary tribesman Islamabad would like to portray him as.

Last year, the ruling Pakistan Muslim League agreed on a package of incentives for the Baloch that included a constitutional amendment giving greater autonomy to the province, but it was overruled by Mr Musharraf and the army who then vowed to militarily crush the rebellion.

The army argues that millions have been spent in development, but projects such as the building of the Gawadar port, the building of cantonments and even new roads do not necessarily benefit ordinary Baloch.
The projects are defined by the army and its national security needs, rather than through consultations with the Baloch or even the Balochistan provincial assembly. Then the projects are carried out by outside companies who give few jobs to the Baloch.

By killing Bugti, the president has now earned the permanent enmity of not just the Baloch rebels but the wider Baloch population who may not believe in taking up arms, but are still frustrated with Islamabad for its failure to develop the province.

He may have seriously underestimated the power of Baloch nationalism which has led to four wars with the Pakistan army in the past. Nationalism within the smaller provinces has always been the biggest threat to military regimes just as it is to mr Musharraf.

There is an ever-deepening political crisis in Pakistan which the death of Bugti will only exacerbate.

Many people say that the country is rapidly unravelling with Mr Musharraf refusing to give clear-cut guarantees about free and fair elections next year, while he insists on running again for another five-year term as president even as he remains army chief.
Bugti’s death will only add to the growing fears about the country’s future and the danger inherent in a policy of killing political opponents rather than holding a dialogue with them.

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^
:k:

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:k:

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Fair enough, both of them were involved in wrong and vicious campaigns in Balochistan.

However some say Bhutto was forced by the Army to take this action. Obviously Mush has done this by choice. Either way both operations were wrong.

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:rotfl: Who told you he was the “most” famous Pakistani jounalist? A most famous Musharraf-hating Taliban supporter he is, but that is all.