Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
did you actually read what it said? Can you read Urdu?
Re: Bugti family feud over suucession and his Rs 670 million annual royalties
Rs 670 million x 20 years
Now that is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE amount of money Bugti sahib acquired over the years, and yet he never spent a single anna on his people’s welfare!
Re: Bugti family feud over suucession and his Rs 670 million annual royalties
As opposed to the govt who had 1000 times more, and spent even less, and killed even more
He was a typical feudal, but he often fought for his Baloch people and for Balochistan, against legitimate grievances, and that is what he will be remembered for
Even many in Punjab protest his murder
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=22196
BAHAWALPUR: ARD district chapter on Thursday claimed a complete shutter down would be observed here today (Friday) on the call of Opposition to register their protest against the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti.
PPP P district media coordinator Muhammad Salim Bhatti through a press statement has said that ARD, MMA and other opposition parties’ activists and office bearers would gather at Masjid Al-Haq here and then they would stage a protest rally against the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti on the city roads.
The rally would reach at Farid gate where the joint opposition leaders would address the protesters to condemn the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti and the government’s anti-Pakistan policies, it was added.
The district police have chalked out elaborate security planes for today to deal with any eventuality. Meanwhile, district bar association would observe a complete strike today on the call of Punjab Bar Council to register protest against the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti and dictatorial policies of Gen Musharraf. In a press statement issued her yesterday, the DBA has endorsed lawyers strike on Friday.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Mine blast in a Mosque in Dera Bugti. The mine was planted by followers of Nawab Bugti.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
If the govt says so, then that must be true 
interesting how you never mentioned even once about all the Balochi villages that the govt bombed…of course you don’t care about that
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Missile attack on worshippers in a Mosque in Pakistan by terrorist elements associated with Nawab Akbar Bugti and the balochistan liberation army.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Video of Balochi villagers, bombed by Pak Army
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Yes there is a lot of them about. 
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Are you sure they are not victims of Bugti terrorism?
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
The great Quaid’s advice on Balochistan ignored. How sad he would be to see how his dream has turned into such a murderous and corrupt state
http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/01/top6.htm
KARACHI, Aug 31: Elder politician Yusuf A. Haroon has condoled with the family of Nawab Akbar Bugti who was reportedly killed in a military operation at the weekend. A statement issued by him on Thursday says that in 1947, just before partition, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah spoke to an assembly of legislators and working committee members of the All India Muslim League, cautioning them about the road ahead and what was needed to further the needs, interests and governmental goals for Pakistan.
Balochistan, Mr Haroon said, was a sensitive province, and he reminded the assembly that even the British dealt with them with great caution. He advised the assembled leadership to always respect their traditions and to deal with them with love and affection. ‘Honour the Baloch’ and remember with what great difficulty the area has been conjoined to Pakistan.
“It is with great regret that we have witnessed the killing of my friend Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, contrary to the sagacious advice of the Quaid. This deviation from our leader’s advice does not bode well for the security of our country and causes deep misgivings in my mind.
“I condole with the Baloch nation and with the family of the late Nawab, and urge the government not to follow Imperial rules, and to hand over the body for a public funeral. Let us not forget the Quaid: we are living in a free land and are entitled to our rights.”
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Murdering a hundred people a day, was second nature to Bugti.
He took hundreds of millions, and billions in money but never spent an anna on his owen people.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Mush govt disgusting campaign continues, not even returning the body to the family and the thousands of mourners
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\09\01\story_1-9-2006_pg1_1
But Bugti’s son-in-law Agha Shahid Bugti said, “It is inhuman and unacceptable. It is even un-Islamic to bury a person against the will of his family.”
He said that no one from the Bugti family would go to Dera Bugti to attend the late Nawab’s burial in his native district. He said that family members had asked the government to hand them Bugti’s body, adding that it was only their right to decide a burial place for him. “Since our contact with the government, we have been insisting that the body should be handed to us, but now we have been told that the body has been taken to Dera Bugti. No one from our family will go to Dera Bugti to attend the burial. We still say that the body should be given to us,” he said.
But Bugti’s son-in-law Agha Shahid Bugti said, “It is inhuman and unacceptable. It is even un-Islamic to bury a person against the will of his family.”
He said that no one from the Bugti family would go to Dera Bugti to attend the late Nawab’s burial in his native district. He said that family members had asked the government to hand them Bugti’s body, adding that it was only their right to decide a burial place for him. “Since our contact with the government, we have been insisting that the body should be handed to us, but now we have been told that the body has been taken to Dera Bugti. No one from our family will go to Dera Bugti to attend the burial. We still say that the body should be given to us,” he said.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
They say when the caravan moves the dogs bark.. I’d say let em bark one less feudal lord to deal with.
Nawab Bugti: Symbol of feudalism
By Abdullah Sarker
Thu, 31 Aug 2006, 09:51:00
For ages, the feudal lords have been dominating the economy and politics of both Pakistan and Afghanistan. The fall of King Zahir Shah marked the beginning of the end of feudalism in Afghanistan, but the Soviet military expedition in 1979 spoiled all the doors to reform and progresses.
The feudal lords control the vast areas in both the countries. They are so powerful that law of the land spares the rapists and punish the victims even though some of them are deaf and dumb. Most of the civil and the military bureaucrats belong to the feudal families. In 1971 they refused to hand over power to Awami League, the legitimate party to form the central government Integration of Pakistan was secondary to the feudal interests.
** Nawab Ali Bugti was one of the feudal lords who were responsible for many a injustice in his areas. Most of the tribal people being uneducated and of simple heart, they trust what the tribal leaders speak (the case of Chittagong Hill Tracts and other tribal areas of Bangladesh may be cited as another example). The tribal leaders appoint maulanas to exploit the people in the name of religion. Those who disobey are subjected to the torment.
It is because of men like them, the fate of the poor people remained unchanged for years. **
Sylhet
© Copyright 2003 by The New Nation
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
With comments like that, no wonder the Baloch have come to loath the Punjabi domination and theft from their land
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Facts are facts, it has nothing to do with baluchi, Punjabi, Sindhi, Martians, yada yada yada .. Perhaps you should go and live in Bugti for a change…
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
'bhai', I have spent many years in Balochistan when posted there.
You can deny the essence of the problems as much as you want, but the fact is as much as a typical feudal Bugti was, the Baloch much prefer him, and Baloch feudals like him to the outsiders-Punjabis, stealing from their land and treating them as sub-servants, and their culture as inferior
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
I have family members living in in Queta and cousins running a very successful business. You think I don’t talk to them and get first hand feelings… You are parroting the obvious for obvious reaosn… living in Balochistan does not mean you are living in Bugti, move to Bugti and enjoy the red carpet treatment of Shri Bugti first hand… You talk the talk but walk the walk is a different ball game especially from behind the screen.
Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam's portrait
^^^ umer.ashraf:
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** Only Bugti quides knew the cave where their Sardar was hiding and thus government was unable to take any action otherwise. Army officers have some history in Balochistan and I guess this time they were there to shoot Bugti, otherwise police should have arrested Bugti.
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Do you mean to say that Bugti guides (suppose to be most trustworthy and privileged of Akber Bugti) were so fed-up with Bugti atrocities that they showed government forces the way to his hideout?
What I know is that, use of satellite phone call by Bugti grandson gave the clue of their hideouts to the government. Regardless, once Bugti’s hideout was known (by whatever means), if government wanted to kill him then what stopped government to kill him without risking life of commandos. They could have starved him there to death, blow the hideout from outside, or gas him out.
Unfortunately, in this incidence, commandos were killed and thus this is proof that government wanted to arrest him alive and because of that, paid the price with the life of commandos (a sacrifice just to arrest rather kill an unworthy man that did not even paid off)..
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As government itself has said, there were thousands of cases registered against Bugti. This means people were free to report against him. If police or law enforcing agencies never took an action against him before then that is not Bugti's fault. And if people were able to report against him then they were able to study too if they had access to educational institutes, which are built and operated by the government and people like Bugti just make a speech when they are opened.
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Cases were registered in ‘A’ areas of Balochistan (that is 5 percent of Balochistan) or in other provinces. Obviously, there are many from Bugti tribe who are educated (getting education from outside Bugti areas) and are living outside Bugti areas or are working for Bugti if living in Bugti areas. These people (if they are Bugtis) are those that could not even enter Bugti area unless they are Bugti loyal and have permission to enter there.
Bugti area had schools that Bugti use to run on behalf of government, where Bugti did not allowed any child to register as student. He was using school as his private property and using the post (and pay) of teachers to pay his mercenaries. Government knew all that and past government did not use to do anything because it was easier for them for peace to keep Bugti happy then care for the people. [what I wrote is changed now but that was the situation]
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**Even if it was indeed Baloch Sardars against the Government, why Bugti was also there this time??? **If Bugti was a person who had some history fighting with past governments as a rebel, even then it was not just to kill him. But he was labelled by this government.
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Did you write above statement when you were drunk? :) Baloch Sardars against the government .. why was also Bugti there? …Man, Bugti was a Baloch sardar and it is not a fight between Baloch sardar and government, but between some Baloch sardars and government.
** Contrary to what you wrote, actually there is justice in killing Bugti, because he was fighting with real arms and killing real people, people armed and were working for the government. He was also killing innocent civilians and destroying public properties and infrastructure. Thus, these armed people Bugti was targeting have all the rights to target and kill him. **
What do you think Bugti (along with his people) was not targeting and killing government forces? If he was then, why government should not target and kill him? Do you think that Bugti had rights to target and kill government forces but they should stay sitting duck for him and should not shoot back?
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There is no arm factory in Balochistan, so how Bugti or other Baloch Sardars managed to get this much weapons? Who sold (or provided) them these weapons.
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Ask INDIA, RUSSIA (of old days), Afghanistan (of today), USA (of today), past environment of Zia-ul-Haq and our tribal culture plus money from royalties Pakistan government gives to tribal chiefs, including Bugti (that Musharaf is trying to curtail).
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Almost every person has desire to claim financial status. Similarly every person and even the government wants firm control over its resources, so if Bugti controled his land,what's wrong. As for people, they were free to report against him.
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Land belongs to Bugti people, not sardars. Akber Bugti confiscated lands of many Bugtis illegally. Since there is no Pakistani law in 95 percent of Balochistan, these things get unreported and unpunished. Bugti was not controlling his private land, rather he was controlling whole Bugti areas, illegally. No one should have that right. People in Bugti land had no free choice to report anything because it was/is ‘B area’ and regardless, if anyone could have dared to report in ‘A areas’, they could have done at the expense of their life and life of their families.
[It seems that Musharaf wants all 'B' areas to be converted to 'A' areas in Balochistan as well as change the status of tribal areas to settled areas. This will bring better justice to people in both areas]
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The development in Balochistan is a good step by the government and it must be appreciated if Government is serious in developing Balochistan. But keep it seperate from this Sardar issue(s). Karachi, Rawalpindi and Lahore are all different cities with a few things common (like they are all big cities, they all have problems....). Similary Development in Balochistan, rebel Baloch leaders and Akbar Bugti are seperate issues, with a few thing common (these are/were big issues, have/had associated problems, ......).
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Again, it seems that you are writing drunk. How can rebel Baloch leader and Akbar Bugti are separate issue? Akbar Bugti is rebel Baloch leader. Regardless, you should carefully read my last mail that you quoted carefully, and you will realise that development in Balochistan and sardari issues (as it is in Balochistan) are related. Development and education in Balochistan where government of Pakistan is directly involved (thus not giving funds to sardars for development and education but spending it directly so that funds are used for the purpose) is the biggest issues of sardars.
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Freedom Fighters: **I guess, even the worse Baloch rebel used the term "Fight for the Right*" (at least till now) and as for Bugti it was "Fight for survival*" (against other Bugti branch who had full support of the government and was awarded Akbar Bugti's area for their patriotic loyality and patriotism) and Bugti failed in his efforts.
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That is obvious, as they always used ‘fight for the right’ as slogan to misguide people.
What I know is that, Bugti and some sardars took arms so that they can bring the government on the negotiating table. I have heard that they were complaining to some politicians why government is not negotiating. They thought that it would be easier for government to compromise by giving them all what they want as done by all previous governments.
They were only asking for money and power over their own tribal people’s life and stopping of all development work in Balochistan (money saved could have been used in developing Sindh and Punjab), nothing more so that they can calm down (to them, they were giving government good deal). To them (Bugti and others), it was unfortunate that government is bent on spending money on Balochistan and did not compromise with them as past government use to do. How sad, isn’t it? :)
Re: Bugti family feud over suucession and his Rs 670 million annual royalties
Bugti's property is already awarded to KLIPPPPPPPERS.
Its a Lot of money.....670 million...I don't think Bugti was getting this much. Kheir who can deny ISPR these days.
Probable: (may be a statement from ISPR very soon)
People who are (currently) living in Dera Bugti right now have maximum chance of getting this money
....and KLIPPPPPPPPPERS who refused to move to Balochistan will be rushing in. Its a gold mine for them now. After spending years at federal government's disposal @ Rs. 300/month for a family (that was raised to Rs 500 by Musharaf to gain their support and sympathies to be used against Akbar Bugti) and that in Punjab, they can finally ride heavy vehicles and use provided weapons. "Sabar ka phal meetha hota hay"
Rebel:
Loss of 670 million to Balochistan as now Balochistan will recieve (usual annual amount - Rs. 670 million) until a new Bugti Sardar is declared and could claim his right. Till then 670 million will be spend on Balochistan. Ohhhhh, It can be spent on Punjab as well ....."Pevasta reh shajar say, Umeed-e-bahar rakh"
Just: (Tribal)
Since Bugti was getting this money, so his succesor (eldest son as of tribal rules) must inherit it. "sabar karo, shukar karo"