Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (MERGED)

Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)

From the heir to the original Kalat state that was taken over by Pakistan.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\09\01\story_1-9-2006_pg1_2

Musharraf’s end is nigh’

QUETTA: The Khan of Kalat, Mir Suleman Dawood, said on Thursday that the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti was the beginning of the end of President Gen Musharraf’s regime. He told a press conference that the countrywide protests had “sent a clear message to Musharraf that his era is over”. “All sardars of Balochistan are discussing future plans. The government has invited the Baloch to fight and we will not back down,” he said. staff report

Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\09\01\story_1-9-2006_pg1_1

Govt claims Bugti’s body found, will be buried in Dera Bugti today:

Family rejects govt conditions, won’t attend burial

  • Son-in-law says body should be given to family
  • Bugti’s body badly damaged and no other body retrieved yet: ISPR
  • Govt might hand body to tribal jirga for burial

By Malik Siraj Akbar

QUETTA: Tribal chief Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti’s body has been retrieved from the rubble of a cave that collapsed in a military operation on August 26, and he will be buried in Dera Bugti today (Friday), Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Major General Shaukat Sultan told a television channel late on Thursday.

But the Bugti family said that no family member would attend the burial in Dera Bugti if it were not handed the late Nawab’s body.

Sultan said that Bugti’s body had been badly damaged, adding that no other body had been retrieved yet.

However, it was unclear who will be given Bugti’s body.

Official sources told Daily Times that the government would hand Bugti’s body to a tribal jirga instead of his family for the burial.

But Bugti’s son-in-law Agha Shahid Bugti said, “It is inhuman and unacceptable. It is even un-Islamic to bury a person against the will of his family.” (Does anyone know if this is true? Is it un-Islamic what the govnt is doing?)

He said that no one from the Bugti family would go to Dera Bugti to attend the late Nawab’s burial in his native district. He said that family members had asked the government to hand them Bugti’s body, adding that it was only their right to decide a burial place for him. “Since our contact with the government, we have been insisting that the body should be handed to us, but now we have been told that the body has been taken to Dera Bugti. No one from our family will go to Dera Bugti to attend the burial. We still say that the body should be given to us,” he said.

“Since Bugti’s two sons - Talal Akbar Bugti and Jamil Akbar Bugti - are alive and present in Quetta, why should his body be handed to his opponents,” he asked.

Later, Jamil Bugti said he was still not sure if the body the government was planning to bury in Dera Bugti was that of his father’s.

Talal Bugti confirmed that his family would not go to Dera Bugti for the burial.

Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)

....so I must believe in your conspiracy theory of labelling Bugti as a traitor based on a a few statements from a dictator and his league. and then I must admit that there was indeed a Bugti guide, the cave itself laid down, ...........

It is bugti's dead body but there was a midnight thunder: "Raaaton Raat Dafan kar deena is banday ko..." (a fax perhaps.....)

Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)

Please answer these questions for my understanding if u can



Why was he waging a war against the government?


Wasnt he a gurilla leader hiding in the mountains?


Didnt he murder 100 people just to avenge the death of his son?


How come no one is mourning his death in dera bugti?


What about all the money (650 million rs/year) he used to get and hoard in boxes?


What did he do for the common baluch on the street?


I still mourn his death and i agree that he should have been arrested and tried but the fact is that it was an accident in which senior army officers were killed too. Had it been a straight forward military operation, only jawans would have lost their lives. The officers had gone in that cave to negotiate and to convince him to come out when something seriously went wrong and all the people inside that cave were dead as a result of that. Liaqat Ali , Zia, Bhutto and now Bugti are all gone but Pakistan is still there and InshaAllah will weather this storm too. And dont start the story of EAST Pakistan here caz that was a very unique geographical political and cultural situation and it was bungled up both by our politicians and military leaders.



Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)

Read all the posts in this thread and you can get your answers.

Pakistan is out there to stay and it definitely will. Officials like Musharaf and political leaders like Bugti have come and gone in the past. Its not about anti-Musharaf or pro- Musharaf or whether a Baloch Nationalist or not as well, but the way Bugti has been blamed, made to leave his land in favor of some other branches of Bugti tribe, targetted and killed. Such practice(s) must go by now.

Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)

Take a look…

http://www.ummat.com.pk/Report.ummat.com.pk/28-aug/Bughti-p1.html

80 lashes or 500000 fine for those parents, who send their children to the schools in Dera Bugte

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam's portrait

Hope you remember that!!!. Stop supporting insurgency in India.:D

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam’s portrait

very rarely, but I go agree with khehkeshan here. Govt is anti-anyone! The whole game here is about unpaid/less paid sardars releasing anger at Govt. and got lash back this time.

how wrong was Bugti, he shouldnt have killed this way. Everyone has the right to live freely.

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Open your eyes and stop lookin through this punjabi hatred glasses u r wearing...... Army killed Bugti....Lead by Musharaf...A Punjabi ? .......... Most of the corps commanders are from Sindh... Punjabi ?
I agree with you that Bugti should not have been killed. Yes balochistan has been criminally neglected. But it is also true that Bugti never passed on any benefits that he received apart from selected members of his tribe raising an army in the process. Despite all that he should not have been killed. But please state the facts . This is not the forum but if u think Punjab is better of then anyother province then please feel free to complare my village to any part of Pakistan and i can tell it will come last. I am not saying that there is nothing wrong... What i am saying is that go to Pakistan and for a moment stop listening to those selling u hate politics and see facts with your own eyes. Common man like me and you is suffering regardless of provincial boundries.

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam's portrait

^^^ Well said

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Well, I believe that what Bugti got (intentional or unintentional), he deserved every bit of it.

As regarding claims that government targeted him is bull-****. If government targeted him, then there would have been no casualties amongst commandos? Army pinpointed the hideout thus after pinpointing, they could have easily destroyed that from above without even landing or entering the hideout that caused all the casualties amongst government side. So, losses amongst commandos is proof that government wanted to arrest Bugti and did not wanted to kill him. Regardless, what happened is what Bugti deserved.

Was Bugti fighting for the right of Balochs? Obviously not as tribal leaders like Bugti were obstacle in the development and their purpose of fighting was to keep balochistan underdeveloped. It is obvious as they were peaceful with government before start of present massive development in Balochistan but when development started, they took up arms against the government. Thus, their going to war with government was nothing to do with Balochistan’s rights but was to do with keeping Balochistan under developed.

** Government had choice of making these tribal leaders happy by giving them power and money and stopping all development work in Balochistan or take their challenge and keep development work in Balochistan. So much investment and development work has never happened in Balochistan before Musharaf (just because all were appeasing these pathetic sardars and not caring about the people).**

The scare mongering drama-bazi of these sardars that development would make them minority in their province is bull-****. There are more Balochs living outside Balochistan (especially Sindh but also in Punjab) then in Balochistan. Obviously, if development creates jobs and would increase population due to inter provincial migration towards balochistan, government of Balochistan could easily bring law to give preferences to Baloch from all over Pakistan in government jobs (many of whom are educated and well qualified too).

** Problem with these sardars are three (if not more, like pigheadedness, evilness and barbarism) that led them to take up arms against the government** (actually taking up arms was just for sake of blackmailing government to back down from development work in Balochistan):

One: Stopping promotion of education and development in their areas: Education would make people (people of the tribe) think, realize their human and citizen rights, and start demanding justice not from sardars but from state even against sardars. Development in Balochistan would give opportunity to tribe people finding jobs (outside the influence of sardar) and thus reduce influence of sardars over their tribe, as jobs elsewhere would stop dependence (at the moment, only source) for their livelihood on sardars (like Bugti).

Two: Desiring financial status co: Along with trying to educate and develop Balochistan, government is also trying to reduce (or stop) money they pay to sardars to look after their area and people (though sardars use that money not for benefit of people but to raise private army, pay their loyal and increase their influence over the people by atrocities, murder or whatever).

Three: Preservation of their power over their area and tribe: Government is also trying to change the status of the areas from taking it away from the governance of sardars and bringing it under the governance of the state (so that laws Pakistan could be implemented all over Balochistan). That is to make all of Balochistan from B areas to A areas (at present only 5 percent is A areas, 95 percent B areas). It is challenge to sardars as their criminal activities and atrocities over their own tribe will finish, rather they will also have to follow laws even in their own triabal land, as anyone can take them to court on breaking the law.

As for those saying that he should not have got killed should also justify what they are saying.

Bugti decided to challenge the state with arms. He and his men started shooting and killing law enforcers, innocent citizens, properties of individuals and provincial infrastructure.

Is that OK? If I take up arms in any country against the official forces of that country, what would happen to me?

Under what law the people in law enforcement should spare him while Bugti was killing them and killing innocent Balochs (citizens), destroying properties and infrastructure of Balochistan?

If any person (individual or tribal), be they leaders or individuals from Punjab, Sindh, Sarhad, Tribal Areas or Balochistan, take up arms and declares war against the state, killing people in the army, people of law enforcement and ordinary citizen, they should be eliminated. How can anyone (on this forum or anywhere) justify what Bugti was doing in Balochistan and saying that Government should not have tried to kill him?

It is donkey brain to think that a person take up arms, start killing others too and then expect that others should not shoot him.

Bugti was neither freedom fighter nor he was fighting for the rights of the people. He was pathetic tribal leader who was trying to blackmail government into submission by using his army of mercenaries so that he can do atrocities over his people who were/are equal citizen of Pakistan and in theory had same rights over all part of Pakistan what he had.

[Note: Freedom fighters get killed (get shaheed) fighting for a cause (if that really exists, like in Kashmir, Palestine etc) and many are proud of that. No one even say that freedom fighters should kill but should not get killed (only idiots would say that). We only hope that freedom fighters sacrifices do not go wasted. As for Bugti, he was just a hooligan and got killed for no good cause that people should be proud of him and thus grieve on his death]

Politicians are shedding tears on his death, as most (including those in government) are similar to him and are worried because they are seeing bleak future for their privileged rights in Pakistan. Many are scared of seeing education, developments, and impartial justice system in Pakistan. No politicians, especially those that have tribal and wadera background (including those in government) wants to see changes in Pakistan prevailing situation (situation that exists at present) as they are having a nice time suppressing people of Pakistan (mostly people living under their protection and control, be they haris, kisans or tirbes).

Thus, it is no surprise that politicians from opposition and treasury, both sides, showed grief over the death of Bugti. These parasites, both in government and opposition, deserve same fate what Bugti got. Though it is unfortunate that it is difficult even for a person like Musharaf (as Pakistan elites, be they in army, politic, businesses, academics, journalists, bureaucracy, judiciary etc, are full of these people and to alienate all is impossible for anyone, especially when majority of Pakistanis are uneducated and have tribal mentality). Please read my last mail #[20]

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam’s portrait

That’s it? Is it enough to win someone’s respect?

They are protesting not in favour of Bugti, they are protesting against Musharraf. No othe reason whatsoever!

If you don’t understand this, you don’t understand realpolitik! They are merely going on record by giving these sort of statements so that the could use them in future when Musharraf is not around.

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam's portrait

I studied in Aitchison.
I studied in Oxford.
I am a politician

So now I have all the rights to kill any number of people. I have right to rain rockets on anything that I like or dislike. I have a right to maintain my own jails and armies. I have a right to keep all the money of royalty in my kitty and yet I have right not to be killed — guess why? Because:

I studied in Aitchison.
I studied in Oxford.
I am a politician.

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam’s portrait

Hope you remember that and respect the wishes of the local as per UN disputed territories.

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam's portrait

Which locals ? A significant local population has been forced to migrate due to Pak sponsored terrorism. You think any kind of a referendum in Kashmir will be fair without the Kashmiri Hindus ?? Don't keep regurgitating what your military rulers & media feeds you. Think before you speak.

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam’s portrait

So has there been mass migration to Azad kashmir due to Indian state sponsored terrorism… Refer to Human Rights Web site for Indian state sponsored terrorism and its fall out… Let UN decide the fate of Kashmiris and migrants a bitter pill for you to swallow…

Re: Burning of Pakistani flag and dafacing Quaid-e-Azam's portrait

No, and that just goes to prove that there is no Indian state sponsored terrorism.

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[quote=“Babuji”]

[quote=“mo293”]
So has there been mass migration to Azad kashmir due to Indian state sponsored terrorism…

Than how is that in your reply hindus are relevent and not muslim who migrated to AK. Think before you speak…

PS. Are you saying that Human Righst Web Site has been hijacked by ISI or some jehadis…

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Only Bugti guides knew the cave where their Sardar was hiding (ISPR) :teary1: and thus government was unable to take any action otherwise. Army officers have some history in Balochistan and I guess this time they were there to shoot Bugti, otherwise police should have arrested Bugti.

As government itself has said, there were thousands of cases registered against Bugti. This means people were free to report against him. If police or law enforcing agencies never took an action against him before then that is not Bugti’s fault. And if people were able to report against him then they were able to study too if they had access to educational institutes, which are built and operated by the government and people like Bugti just make a speech when they are opened.

**Even if it was indeed Baloch Sardars against the Government, why Bugti was also there this time??? **If Bugti was a person who had some history fighting with past governments as a rebel, even then it was not just to kill him. But he was labelled by this government.

There is no arm factory in Balochistan, so how Bugti or other Baloch Sardars managed to get this much weapons? Who sold (or provided) them these weapons.

Almost every person has desire to claim financial status. Similarly every person and even the government wants firm control over its resources, so if Bugti controled his land,what’s wrong. As for people, they were free to report against him.

The development in Balochistan is a good step by the government and it must be appreciated if Government is serious in developing Balochistan. But keep it seperate from this Sardar issue(s). Karachi, Rawalpindi and Lahore are all different cities with a few things common (like they are all big cities, they all have problems…). Similary Development in Balochistan, rebel Baloch leaders and Akbar Bugti are seperate issues, with a few thing common (these are/were big issues, have/had associated problems, …).

^^Freedom Fighters. (are you Shaukat Sultan???) :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: . I guess, even the worse Baloch rebel used the term “Fight for the Right” (at least till now) and as for Bugti it was “Fight for survival” (against other Bugti branch who had full support of the government and was awarded Akbar Bugti’s area for their patriotic loyality and patriotism) and Bugti failed in his efforts.

Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)

That is what people call a freedom fighter!