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What do people in Waziristan think of Bugti?
I mean the Army is conducting operations in the Waziristan area as well as Balochistan.
Is there a danger that Balochis and Pashtuns forming an alliance with Al Qaeda and Ex-Taliban remnants thrown into the mix to confront the Pakistan Army as well as Balochistan becoming a sanctuary for Al Qaeda Terrorists??
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Che, Mushy is dirty playing politics here. Yes, he obviously tries hard to speak Urdu with a Punjabi accent which is fake and sounds funny. As far as I know, Punjabis are angry over Kalabagh as such an issue which wasn't one has been snowballed into a major debate and architect of that is no one except chhota aur mota Mushy. Had he wanted to build the dam, he wouldn't have thrown the issue for the debate. The fact of the matter is that water demands of Punjab can't be met without Kalabagh. I was sad to hear the voices of some NWFP/mohajir/sindhi people on the forum earlier about the dam issue. Mushy knows he can't do a thing without Punjab but he can't be disloyal to Karachi folks. Ideally speaking he should have elected Miyan Shahbaz sharif or Ch. Shujaat hussain instead of Shaukat Aziz to project he really loves the State, not just the accent. Poor Punjab is and has been taking hits for being the eldest brother in the union.. What surprises me is that this forum also there's so much anger against Punjab for no apparent reason.
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AFGHANISTAN PARLIAMENT’S REACTION
Wolesi Jirga condemns Bugti’s killing
KABUL, Aug 28 (Pajhwok Afghan News): The Wolesi Jirga or lower house of parliament on Monday condemned the killing of Baloch nationalist leader Nawab Akbar Bugti in a military operation in Pakistan.
In a statement, the lower house termed the death of Akbar Bugti a grave loss for the entire Baloch nation, especially those living in Pakistani.
Bugti was killed, along with his two grandsons and other family members and colleagues, in an operation by Pakistani military in the mountains in Dera Bugti on Saturday.
The statement said the people of Afghanistan were deeply grieved over the killing of the Baloch chieftain. “Bugti was brutally murdered along with a number of his relatives and supporters for his righteous struggle to defend the rights of Baloch people,” said the statement.
The parliament expressed condolence with Bugti’s family, the Baloch people and all those struggling for freedom across the world.
Several MPs showed their opposition to the statement, saying it was an internal affair of Pakistan. However, majority of the parliamentarians supported the statement.
“I will not support even to express a word of sorrow over Bugti’s death because he was involved in armed struggle with Pakistani government,” said Muhammad Hussain Alami Balkhi, a legislator from the northern Balkh province.
He said any such statement would not serve the interests of Afghanistan. The parliament, he said, should refrain from issuing statements pointing to some sorts of interference in internal affairs of others.
Imami Ghori, another MP, said it would be better to express sorrow over the incident and avoid remarks signifying interference in the internal affairs of others. However, the number of MPs supporting the statement surpassed its opponents.
Fazl Rahman Chamkanai, another legislator from Khost, said the history showed that Pashtuns and Balochs are closely linked to Afghanistan. They (Pakistan) would oppress their future generations if we showed any negligence to their problems.
Makia Monir
INDIAN GOVERNMENT’S REACTION
Force no solution to Baloch people`s aspirations: India
New Delhi, Aug 28: In a virtual condemnation of the killing of prominent Baloch leader Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti in a Pakistani military attack, India on Monday said Islamabad should address the “grievances and aspirations” of people of Balochistan through dialogue and not military force.
New Delhi, which has been protesting against excessive army action in Balochistan, termed as “unfortunate” the killing of the veteran Baloch leader and observed that “military force can never solve political problems”.
“This military attack in which two of his (Bugti`s) grandsons were also killed and the heavy casualties in the continuing military operations in Balochistan underline the need for peaceful dialogue to address the grievances and aspirations of people of Balochistan,” External Affairs Ministry spokesman Navtej Sarna said here.
Describing the killing as a “tragic loss to the people of Balochistan and Pakistan,” Sarna said Bugti`s death leaves a vacuum that will be difficult to fill.
India has been protesting against the use of excessive force by Pakistan against the people of Balochistan who are seeking their rightful share in the resources like gas reserves that their region has and is being “denied” to them by Islamabad.
Pakistani military has been conducting military operations for the last six months to quell a virtual uprising in the region and has used heavy weaponry including helicopter gunships and missiles.
Bureau Report
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Mushie has outdone even Bhattu, who by far was the most ruthless and corrupt meglomaniac in the history of South Asia...Alas, mushie would meet the same fate as Bhattu...
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Kabul is angry because they want to donate southern part of their country to Greater Balochistan.
India’s concern is not unwarranted either. After all, they have given absolute freedom to Kashmiris; have given autonomy to Ahom Kingdom and Khalistan; and are engaged in serious political dialogue with Naxalites. Therefore, they expect similar actions from their neighboring countries.
Musharraf is angry because Ch Shujaat and Jamali didn’t praise his action.
Politically and ethnically desensitized Punjab has to share the blame because the army that Mushrraf was leading when he deposed democratically elected NS, and the army he’s leading that carried out this operation against Akbar Bugti has Punjabi majority. Doesn’t matter if this particular action was taken by FC on Musharraf’s orders. Doesn’t matter what kind of person Akbar Bugti was. Gali Punjab hi ko pare gi. Che Guvera is right when he says that Mushie has done more damage to Punajb than any other leader.
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Time to burn buildings, buses and vehicles etc etc. Pathetic !!
3 killed as riots rock Balochistan, Karachi
By Malik Siraj Akbar
QUETTA: At least three people were killed as protests spread in Balochistan and Baloch-populated areas in Karachi after Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti’s death in a military operation late on Saturday.
Protesters took to the streets of Quetta, burning vehicles, banks and a petrol station. Despite a curfew imposed by the Balochistan government in Quetta and Noshki districts and the deployment of paramilitary troops, three people – two bystanders and a policeman – were killed in an exchange of fire on Sunday. However, the provincial government lifted the curfew in Quetta at about 3pm on Sunday.
Angry mobs set ablaze at least 20 buses, 60 cars and several official buildings including security check posts.
Around 450 students of the Balochistan University, Bolan Medical College and Poly-technic Institute were arrested for violence while the four-party Baloch National Alliance and the Baloch Students Organisation (BSO) have announced a 15-day mourning period for Nawab Bugti. The alliance also announced it would observe a complete shutter down and wheel jam strike in the province today (Monday). Authorities have closed university hostels for an indefinite period.
Nine personnel of law enforcement agencies including a station house officer were injured when their patrol vehicle was fired upon at Almo Chowk in Quetta. Shops were shut and roads deserted in Quetta on Sunday. Violent protesters blocked roads and burnt tyres to protest Bugti’s killing. A teenager was allegedly shot dead by police when he was playing outside his house during curfew while sporadic gunshots were heard in Quetta and other areas through the night.
“Baloch nationalists will not forgive Islamabad for the great loss inflicted on the Baloch nation,” Kachkol Ali Baloch, leader of the opposition in the Balochistan Assembly, told a press conference. Another Baloch nationalist leader, Mir Hasil Bizenjo, told Daily Times that Bugti’s killing had deepened the hatred against the Pakistan Army in the hearts of the Baloch people.
Angry protesters burnt several official buildings besides manhandling Punjabi settlers in Noshki district on Sunday. The government had to call the Frontier Corps and the Anti-Terrorism Force (ATF) to control the situation, but later imposed a curfew to restore order. Sources said that the protesters also burnt at least 40 shops owned by Punjabis. Police sources said that six protesters were arrested while three people were injured in clashes with the police.
Meanwhile, hundreds of protesters vandalised and burnt a bank, a PIA office and two other buildings in Gwadar. A powerful blast destroyed a NADRA office while angry protesters burnt a telephone exchange in Kalat district. In Khuzdar, violent protesters blocked the Quetta-Karachi highway and around 30 people were injured in clashes with the police. The protesters also attacked Punjabi settlers and they had to take refuge in a police station. Several shops were burnt in Panjgur while the police managed to disperse angry Baloch youth trying to set ablaze offices of some banks. There were also reports of violent protests from almost all districts and tehsils of Balochistan including Awaran, Turbat, Pasroor, Mach and Mustung.
**In Karachi, Baloch youths torched several shops and vehicles while they played hide and seek with police in Baloch-populated areas including Kalri, Chakiwara, Baghdadi, Kalakot, Shah Bagh Lane, Singho Lane, Jehangir Road, Patel Para, Old Golimar, Asho Goth, Ghazi Town, Mawach Goth and Yousuf Goth. **
More than 30 men attacked a wedding hall where an Independence Day programme was underway and threw stones at the guests.** Some of them uprooted a national flag and set it on fire, while others shouted anti-Pakistan and anti-army slogans.**
In Hyderabad, security was tightened and most people remained indoors despite a working business day on Sunday.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\28\story_28-8-2006_pg1_1
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Hindustan and the mess that calls itself Afghanistan are the only countries taking notice of the demise of Bugti, as others have almost totally ignored it.
http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/28/top11.htm
**Sunday’s newspapers in the US paid little attention to the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti *and his supporters in Balochistan although some did carry news agency stories on their Internet editions. In its print edition, The New York Times carried a 91-word news item under a larger story about a terror suspect arrested in Pakistan for his alleged involvement with the London plot to hijack US airliners. The 433-word story details how and why the detention of Rashid Rauf, a key figure in the London plot, has been extended for 14 days. Under the story, a news brief quotes Information Minister Muhammad Ali Durrani as saying that Nawab Bugti and his two grandsons were killed in an encounter with the security forces. “The men were leading an armed rebellion against the central government in their native province of Balochistan,” the newspaper notes. The story recalls that government forces have been fighting Mr Bugti and his followers, who are demanding greater rights for the Baloch people, since last year and forced Mr Bugti to flee his ancestral homeland and hide in the mountains six months ago. The Washington Post was even shorter. In its World In Brief section, the Post ran a 28-word brief saying: “Security forces killed an anti-government Baloch tribal leader, Nawab Akbar Bugti, and at least 24 suspected rebel supporters in a blow to a long-running ethnic resistance movement, officials said.” The Los Angeles Times also carried a brief agency story, dated Aug 27, noting that Nawab Bugti’s death was a blow to the Baloch resistance movement. At least five troops also died, the story adds. “Mr Bugti, 79, a former senator and governor of Balochistan, turned against the government amid disputes over distribution of revenue for natural gas extracted from tribal territories in the province, Pakistan’s largest and poorest,” the newspaper notes. There was no story in Christian Science Monitor and Chicago Tribune.
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More and more people from the late Nawab’s Dera Bugti region and other parts of Balochistan are coming forward now to say those things.
Akbar Bugti himself responsible for his fate : Sumaira Marri
Prominent figure of Marri tribe in Balochistan, Mrs. Sumaira Marri Monday said that late Akbar Khan Bugti himself was responsible for the fate he met. In an interview to PTV she said the incident also caused the loss of several innocent lives including personnel. She said the government had been showing maximum restraint but late Akbar Bugti and his companions failed to avail all the opportunities for peaceful settlement of affairs. Bugti and his companions were targeting public installation as well as innocent people for the past few years she said adding it was no service to the people of Balochistan. She said that majority of tribes are patriot and peace loving people and they will cooperate all the efforts for the development and progress of province. Those who want to secure the rights of Balochistan people would never resort to violence she said adding her tribe is the real advocate of Balochs’ rights. She and her ancestors have been working for the betterment of Baloch people Sumaira said adding in the process they have rendered lot of sacrifices. She said that those involved in miscreant acts are being patronized by their foreign masters and they have no interest in the progress and prosperity of province and its people.
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Well it has nothing to do with anti-government politicians, what has been done by Musharaf and his army and league must be justified in a free court and every person who had his share in the killing of Akbar Bugti must get proper punishment as of law.
As for building a political career based on deaths, it is a common practice in the sub-continent and will always rule. Muslim League is doing its politics in the name of Jinnah and PPP is doing its politics in the name of Bhutto. In India congress still requires an Italian widow of Gandhi to claim success.
However, Such elements are more visible in this government than in opposition:
Ijaz-ul-Haq <-------- Zia-ul-Haq
Ch Shujat and co <-------- Ch Zahoor Elahi
Kasoori <-------- Kasoori
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(......a never ending list)
Even our chief executive (i.e. Musharaf) had tried to build his political career by aquiring credit for Kargil and thus politicizing Shaheeds of Kargil.
Whatever was wrong with Bugti, no one had the right to kill him.
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^^ And this Bugto dude didn't have any right to kill the gazillions of chinese engineers, he had no right to deprive his loyal subjects of education, development and rest of the stuff pertaining to the civilized world, he had no right to blow up gas pipelines for the sole purpose of greedily wanting more money in his own bank accounts and that of his feudal family, preventing the access to the riches of the province and the nation at large to the inhabitants of his district and the province to a large extent. It is so funny that when the federal government actually starts getting something done in Baluchistan, all these anarchists call it "exploitation" while at the same time crying wolf about lack of development. Some hypocricy!
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bitya u are still using the term chanda.. imitation is the best form of flattery 
nope it did not do anything of that sort..yet.
but atleast an 80 year old asswipe is gone now…
as I said…right or wrong..
khas kam jahaan paak
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mairay chaa'nd, this is your second reply to my post. And multiple posts/responses to my post are sincerest forms of desperation. ;)
You repeated the same lines in your response to my earlier question. Other than saying 'khas kam jahaan paak', you ain't got much to say on this issue.
The fact is that his death doesn't achieve a thing. Killing political opponents is a short-sighted policy that leads to more rebels and more folk heroes.
Keep repeating your 'khas kam jahaan paak' tak'raar...
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khas kam jahan pak :D
'Nuff said
baloch burned Pakistani flag
http://www.dailytawar.com/news/Full/016.htm
baloch burned pakistani flag
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Except that the government used force to depose the Khan of Kalat and other acts of violence over the years to suppress Baloch tribes who wanted more autonomy or control. The fact is that Balochistan is a part of Pakistan because some British officer decided to draw the map to include that area into British India. No other reason exists, and certainly no Balochis were asked about Pakistan. It is also a fact that Pakistan has been a disaster for Balochis, where thousands of them have been killed since 1947, their natural resources have been used, with no real development in their areas to show for it. Yes, the sardars are partly responsible, but majority of these sardars are also pro government, which allows the sardari system to flourish. It is through the sardari system that Pakistan has been to control Balochistan for so long and that is why the army will never destroy this system which benefits them the most. There are many others ready to take the place of Akbar Bugti. Some of them will be pro-government, the others not. It depends on who the highest bidder is.
To those of you who think sardari system is now dead in Balochistan after this, all I can say is that you are very naive.
And from seeing the pictures of Balochi fighters, they don’t seem very impressive. It is interesting that you think they have similar traning or arms as pakistani army.
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A true hypocrite, i.e. you.
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Reading the news items, it is interesting to note that government paid sardars of Dera Bugti are perhaps the only politicians in Balochistan to support Bugti's death.
They must be the "good sardars"!
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^^ and Bugti was waiting for Musharaf to come in power and ask him to support Jamali before he start his anti-state role......
Why other governments never had problems with him ?
Chinese engineers might also have been hit by army to blame Baloch leaders and to ensure their killings.
Construstion of a few army camps in Balochistan and providing them with a few INFERIOR government jobs, perhaps hiring them to servie the army officers, is no sign of development & progress. As of the policy, progress and development is a right that Baloch should not have access to. If a powerful Balochi leader like Bugti can be blamed, targetted and killed then what can a common Baloch expect from this government.
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If Bugti is a traitor then what Musharaf is?
Bugti gave his vote in favor of Pakistan in 1946.. and has never said a single word against Pakistan in his life.. terming people into miscreants and traitors by military dictators has been a tradition.. Zia labelled many as such during his tyrannical rule and killed by giving same argument..
Today all political forces in Pakistan including opposition and ruling are not celebrating but condemning in different tones about his execution.. only couple of them including information minister are happy since they are close to Musharaf's boots.. Even Baluchistan Assembly had previosly condemned any brutal action againt Bugti and mny ministers have condemned it now.. the reason is that Bugti had always been part of political process.. other balauch sardars are more violent such as Mengal and Murri...
Real reason if one check Bugti;s interviews is armys hegemony in present govt times about creating more Army cantts in Balauchistan... ongoing army action that has killed thousands of balauchis is a disaster for pakistan.. army is using money of Pakistanis to kill them..
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Spot on. Note his rebellion only started after the historic massive development of Balochistan began by this government. After all what did the killing Chinese engineers, lobbing missiles at Gwadur, bombing civilian buses, expelling tens of thousands of his own people etc have to do with royalities over Sui gas?