Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (MERGED)

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your attempts to fool people by using quotes from sworn Bugti enemies and govt agents/lotas is fooling no one, except yourself

The Baloch show how they really feel:
http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/29/top2.htm

Balochistan crippled by strike, violence

QUETTA, Aug 28: A complete strike on Monday paralysed Quetta and other cities and towns of Balochistan and reports of more incidents of rioting and arson were received from different parts of the province.

The strike in protest against the killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti was observed on a call given on Sunday by an alliance of four nationalist parties.

At least two people were killed and 10 others injured in different areas of the province.

More government buildings were attacked and damaged.

Police and other law-enforcement agencies arrested over 200 people from Quetta and elsewhere for damaging and attacking government and private property. Five leaders of the National Party, including Senator Dr Abdul Malik Baloch, MPAs Rehmat Baloch and Mir Jan Mohammad Buledi were also arrested in Quetta. However, they were allowed to go home three hours later.

Gas and power supply to Kalat was suspended late on Monday night after a gas pipeline and a power transmission tower were blown up.

Meanwhile, armed people hurled a hand-grenade into the house of one Jamshad in the Manojan Road area, injuring his younger brother Nazir.

A shop was damaged after a bomb exploded in the Brewery Road area.

Quetta and other cities and towns remained cut off from other parts of the country for the second day as protesters blocked all highways linking the province with Sindh, Punjab and the NWFP. However, the train service and flights to Quetta were restored.

All shopping centres and business establishments remained closed in Quetta.

All public and private vehicles remained off the road. The inter-city traffic also remained suspended throughout the day.

The towns affected by the strike included Mastung, Kalat, Khuzdar, Sibi, Hub, Dera Murad Jamali, Usta Mohammad, Dera Allahyar, Barkhan, Mach and Dhadar. Protest rallies and meetings were held in these areas.

In Quetta, a large number of protesters gathered on the Sariab Road in the morning. They stormed the Government Degree College and Polytechnic Institute and ransacked and set on fire furniture, computers and other equipment after throwing them on the road. Mobs also torched several buses of both the educational institutions. Some people smashed streetlights and blocked the Sariab Road, stopping police vehicles.

Another mob ransacked the UNDP’s office near the Balochistan University and set its vehicles on fire. Offices of the provincial irrigation department, Wapda, grid station office and many other government offices were also torched.

A group of protesters stormed the regional income tax office and destroyed the record and burnt nine motorcycles and vehicles parked nearby.

In Nushki, armed people opened fire and killed a barber, identified as Tauqeer Ahmed.

In Gwadar, a hotel, two banks, a private hospital and at least a dozen shops in the main bazaar were torched.

A group of youths also tried to attack the Radio Pakistan Building in Gwadar but they were dispersed.

In Pasni, a mob set on fire a market owned by the provincial finance minister, an airline booking office and a telephone exchange. Law-enforcement personnel used tear-gas and fired in the air to disperse the mob.

At least nine people were injured in clashes with police.

In Sibi, district president of the Jamhoori Watan Party Dr Azim Bashir was taken into custody along with 50 political activists while district president of the National Party Dr Balach and a Wapda employee were detained in Pasni.

A man, Shaukat, was killed by armed persons in the Kanak area of Mastung while Qari Abdul Hameed was injured in Turbat.

In Wadh, a mob torched the post office and attacked a police station. The office of the ruling PML was set on fire in Nal.

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u are repeating the govt line like a parrot. :rolleyes:

There is no virtually development in Balochistan to help the local Balochis, Any ‘development’ is used by outsiders to exploit the Baloch even more

Bugti was certainly not perfect, he was a typical feudal, selfish and often cruel.

But ‘pakistan’ treated the Baloch a lot worse, which is why the vast majority of Balochi supported him against the govt

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Just as I have predicted from the beginning, the end of Nawab Bugti will allow the Balochi people to finally break free of feudal persecution. Here is another major victory in that regard.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp#8851

**Four Marri commanders,1500 supporters surrender in Kohlu **

Four important Marri commanders along with their 1500 supporters surrendered to the government in a ceremony at Thadri, some 100 kilometers away from Kohlu, on Tuesday, official sources said. They handed over their arms to the local administration and announced their support for the government. The commanders included Gazini Marri, Bakht Ali Sherani Marri, Kari Khan Marri and Rubab Goryani Marri. Speaking on the occasion, the commanders said that they were fighting against the government on behest of Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri and his sons to secure their own personal interests. **"We were misguided by the Nawab and his sons, but now we came to know that we were being used as a tool by them, they said, and added that they were completely satisfied with the President Musharraf’s steps and his development plans in Balochistan. **

:k: :k:

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Pakistan has deserves its fair share of blame for the current troubles of Baluchistan.

But the fact is with the development of the Highway, Gwadar, money is being poured into Balochistan.

Balochis and their tribal leaders still live in the 17th Century and have not awoken to progress.

Balochis remind me of the Native Americans still resisting change in the 1880’s wild west in USA.

Balochis need to realize that in today’s world people from different backgrounds are going to come and mix with other nationalities.

Pakistan must do more to invest in Balochistan but as long as Feudal lords like Bugti are still running around supressing development and attacking the Army for setting up bases in Balochistan to safe guard its borders these people have to be taken out.

Negotiate with them if they are reasonable but if they are as stupid as their demands for Balochistan to become autonomous then it has to be resolved by Force.

Lets not forget, India and UAE’s hand in this.

We must crush this uprising as soon as possible and pour billions into investment into Balochistan.

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Bugti was one of the first leaders to vote for Pakistan and out of all the other main Baloch sardars, he was the most moderate, but now that he is gone, the Baloch people are more angry then ever before against the injustice of Pakistan. They have seen what happens to even their moderate pro Pakistan leaders who do not tow the army line. And they have a right to be angry and fed up with Pakistan, considering that they have little to no power in Pakistan, especially the masses. There sardars are brutal no doubt, but from the masses prespective, it is the Pakistani army helicopters that bombs their villages time and time again.

I wonder if those army soldiers who die killing fellow countrymen and muslims are “shaheed”?

I think the Balochis will get even more radicalized after this and the situation will turn more into the Kurdistan situation in Turkey or even Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/pakistan_tribal_unrest

Rioting kills 3 after Pakistan funeral By ABDUL SATTAR, Associated Press Writer
Tue Aug 29, 11:04 AM ET

QUETTA, Pakistan - Gunfire and rioting broke out for a fourth straight day Tuesday after a funeral for a tribal chief killed by Pakistani forces. Three factory workers were killed in a restaurant bombing amid widespread violence in southern Pakistan.

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More than 10,000 mourners attended the funeral in the Baluchistan capital, Quetta, for fugitive tribal leader Nawab Akbar Bugti, who was killed Saturday. His death has sparked days of violent protests that have left at least two people dead and dozens wounded.

Bugti, a former provincial governor and tribal chieftain, led an often violent political campaign to try win greater control by Baluch tribespeople of natural resources extracted in the region. He died after troops attacked his cave in Kohlu, about 140 miles east of Quetta, officials said.

A bomb exploded in a crowded roadside restaurant in the Baluchistan town of Hub, killing three civilians and wounding eight, said police official Mir Hidiyatullah Ronjha. The motive for the attack was not immediately clear.

Quetta’s police chief said protesters threw two grenades at police deployed to the packed Quetta stadium where the prayer service was held for 79-year-old Bugti, whose body has not yet been returned to his family. Chaudhry Mohammed Yaqoob said nobody was hurt.

Gunfire broke out shortly after the blasts, wounding two of the scores of police that had deployed to the service to try prevent a repeat of the daily rioting and vandalism that has followed Bugti’s death. More than 20 nearby businesses were set on fire by protesters.

Hundreds of club-wielding protesters also burned shops, banks and cars in the Baluchistan towns of Khuzdar, Turbat and Gawadar, on the Arabian Sea coast.

Police arrested 30 rioters throughout Quetta, driving the number of people detained since the violence began Saturday to at least 530. Another 35 protesters were detained in the southern port city of Karachi where gunshots fired at one riot wounded two teenage boys, police said. Their conditions were not immediate available.

Political and religious leaders led thousands into the Quetta stadium for Tuesday’s ceremony. An Associated Press reporter at the scene estimated the number of mourners at more than 10,000. Political supporters of Bugti put the figure at more than double.

The protesters chanted “Death to Pakistan’s army!” and “Pakistan will disintegrate, Pakistan will no longer exist!” during the service, as a Pakistani military helicopter hovered overhead.

Afterward, groups of young men smashed windows throughout the stadium and burned a security guard post. Smoke billowed from surrounding streets as protesters, many with faces covered by scarves, set car tires alight and looted shops. Police fired gunshots into the air in an attempt to disperse the crowd.

Bellowing through a loudspeaker, Bugti’s son-in-law and Pakistani senator, Agha Shahid Bugti, appealed for calm, yelling: “Anyone who is looting and damaging other’s property has nothing to do with us. We are peaceful. They are our enemies.”

In a further bid to ease tensions, Baluchistan’s government banned the carrying of “fire arms and lethal weapons” for two months across the province, where guns are freely available.

The late leader’s son, Talal, said he doubted government claims that his father’s body was still trapped under rubble.

“The body may be lying in a hospital. They are telling a lie that it is still in the cave,” Talal told AP Television News after arriving in Quetta from Karachi for the prayer service.

Baluchistan, bordering Afghanistan and Iran, has seen decades of conflict as tribespeople led by Bugti pressed for a bigger share of wealth from the province’s gas, oil and other resources. Bugti’s tribal militia has mounted guerrilla-style resistance as the armed forces have moved to establish garrisons and assert government control over the lawless region.

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How much is the monthly government provided stipend for the surrendering sardars? And how are they any different then Akbar Bugti was?

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death of bugti will be a last nail in the coffin of tyrant miltary janta

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All these Iltaf-bhai supporters crying crocodile tears over Bugti, be assured, he'll meet the same fate. It's just a matter of time.

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Agreed...Altaf is the biggest traitor in Pakistan's history...he should be put on a donkey and paraded through the streets of Karachi and then beaten to death on das number lallookhait...

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Probably a lot less then the bhhata Altaf bhai collects everyday from one mollah in karachi

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If you can, refute with facts, and not just silly labelling. The fact remains that Bugti was the biggest impediment in Baluchistan’s development, and now that he’s gone, Insha’Allah that province and the people of that region will benefit.

To man the various positions at Gwadar port, in the various mines planned for construction in Baluchistan, and the other developments schemes and projects, the Baluchis have to be FIRST and FOREMOST educated. Baluchistan IS the most illiterate region in the ocuntry, and that is due to the absolute feudal rule in that province. Education is something these dastardly feudals waderas have deprived there people of and will continue to do so until the government intervenes. So when you actually get some amazing things constructed in Baluchsitan, these Iltaf-bhai supporters naively expect them to handed over to a population which is largely illiterate. SInce that’s not feasible, as a result people from all over Pakistan - Karachiites, Punjabis, Pathans etc. have to be brought over to operate them. We have to have the development of quality human capital in suitable quantities within the Baluchis. And for that to happen, the extremely totalitarian feudal structure, led by the likes of Bugti, will have to be dismantled.

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so u think that they will salute pak flag?! under which they have been murdered brutally!

our generls may go tomorrow at the mausoleum of bugti to pay respect as shaikh mujib ul rehman!

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Give me ONE example of something constructive Bugti, the tribal leader of the Bugtis, commanding an area of thousands of kilometers did for his people.

Even a mediocre pop-star like Shehzad Roy has done more by getting millions of kids into school, supporting social work initiatives of various NGOs and raising money for Imran Khan's cancer hospital. Shame on you all for lamenting the death of such a tyrant.

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Why do you not apply the same logic to Kashmir ? Why can't Muslims & Hindus co-exist in Kashmir ?

Then why do you create a hue & cry over Indian army's alleged 'atrocities' in Kashmir ? Pakistan is doing exactly that against the Balochi freedom fighters.

Is there any proof or are you just repeating the government propaganda ?

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Two diverging articles on his passing:

Violence against politics
http://nation.com.pk/daily/august-2006/30/columns1.php
Hussain Haqqani
The death of Nawab Akbar Bugti at the hands of Pakistan’s armed forces serves as a metaphor for the war between politics and militarism that characterizes Pakistan’s unfortunate history as a nation. One need not agree with all of Nawab Bugti’s views to acknowledge that he was a towering political figure in his life and a man who retained his pride and honour in his death. Only those schooled in the ways of colonial soldiers can feel pride in killing an 80-year old tribal chieftain with the help of modern precision weapons.
**Officials described Nawab Bugti and his companions as “miscreants,” a term brought to South Asia by the British East India Company. The term was last used widely in 1971 by the Pakistani establishment to describe the Bengali people of erstwhile East Pakistan. **
The Bengalis had voted for Shaikh Mujibur Rehman’s Awami League in the 1970 elections, hoping that their votes would enable them to write the constitution of the country of which they were the majority of citizens. But the generals who ruled Pakistan then did not like the people’s verdict or their chosen representative. When Mujibur Rehman refused to give in to the generals’ demand to accept their views on the constitution as final and in the national interest, confrontation between the people and the army began.
**Late Brigadier Siddiq Salik, who worked as an officer in the Pakistan army’s public relations directorate at the time, wrote an excellent account of events in Dhaka after the 1970 elections titled ‘Witness to Surrender.’ In that book, he cites a comment that sums up the attitude of the army in East Pakistan. According to Salik, the General Officer Commanding, Major General Khadim Hussain Raja, who told an Awami League sympathizer within the hearing of fellow officers: “I will muster all I can - tanks, artillery and machine guns - to kill all the traitors and, if necessary, raze Dhaka to the ground. There will be no one to rule; there will be nothing to rule”. **

The military cracked down on the politicians and the people they led. ‘Operation Searchlight’, began on the night of March 25, 1971 and its basis for planning clearly stated: “A.L. [Awami League] action and reactions to be treated as rebellion and those who support [the League] or defy M.L. [Martial Law] action be dealt with as hostile elements… As A.L has widespread support even amongst E.P [East Pakistani] elements in the Army the operation has to be launched with great cunningness, surprise, deception and speed combined with shock action.”
Troops moved with full force against Awami League supporters, students at the Dhaka University and Bengali Hindus. Sheikh Mujibur Rehman was arrested and moved to West Pakistan. Foreign journalists were rounded up and expelled from the province so that they would not be able to see the slaughter. Eyewitness accounts spoke of soldiers blowing up newspaper offices and several rooms in the University hostel shouting “Allah-o-Akbar” (God is great) - the Muslim battle cry while facing enemies of Islam. There is no evidence of the Awami League at this point having any military capability.
Siddiq Salik offers the following account of the night of March 25, 1971: “The first column from the cantonment met resistance at Farm Gate, about one kilometer from the cantonment. The column was halted by a huge tree trunk felled across the road.
The side gaps were covered with the hulks of old cars and a disabled steam-roller. On the city side of the barricade stood several hundred Awami Leaguers shouting Joi Bangla slogans. I heard their spirited shouts while standing on the verandah of General Tikka’s headquarters. Soon some rifle shots mingled with the Joi Bangla slogans.
A little later a burst of fire from an automatic weapon shrilled through the air. Thereafter it was a mixed affair of firing and fiery slogans, punctuated with the occasional chatter of a light machine gun. Fifteen minutes later the noise began to subside and the slogans started dying down. Apparently, the weapons had triumphed”.
The triumph of weapons was, however, short-lived. After the first flush of victory, the Pakistan army in East Pakistan faced broader resistance. Bengali nationalism replaced demands for autonomy within a federal Pakistan as the Bengalis’ aspiration. Seeing themselves as freedom fighters, the Bengalis secured help from India and the Pakistan army faced an ignominious defeat and surrender. But even that experience has not made Pakistan’s generals wiser to the need for politics as opposed to their preference for the logic of brute power.
The consequences of Nawab Bugti’s assassination are likely to be monumental. Pakistan’s generals might think that the situation in Balochistan is different from that in East Pakistan because the army’s logistics and supply situation is better. More troops can be brought in from cantonments around the country to Balochistan and much faster than was possible during the civil war in East Pakistan.
Moreover, Balochistan does not border India and the prospect of a foreign military intervention in favor of the Baloch is unlikely. But these soldierly obsessions miss the crucial point. Should the conduct of the armed forces of a sovereign independent nation be the same as the behaviour of the British Indian army? Shouldn’t a modern independent state draw its legitimacy, not from force, but from the consent of the majority of its own citizens?
The mindset of Pakistan’s ruling establishment is vice-regal and a holdover from British colonial Raj. In the vice-regal system, the civil servants and military officers claimed to know what was best and the natives could only be trusted with minimal decision-making. British civil servants and military officers could over-rule popular leaders and elected officials even after the British had introduced elective offices, originally at local government level. Those challenging the colonial generals and civil servants were enemies of the state and deserved incarceration or even death.
The army’s intervention in Pakistan’s politics has created the unfortunate situation where Pakistan’s army is responsible for killing more Pakistanis as enemies of the country than it has eliminated foreign troops with whom Pakistan has gone to war. The army’s control of most levers of power has led to a gradual decline in the influence of political parties and the marginalization of civil society.

**The army often cites the influence of “self-serving feudal leaders” as an argument in favor of its intervention, which is supposed to create a new breed of selfless politicians. But after four rounds of military intervention, a breed of politician acceptable and fully trusted by the army has yet to appear. **

Pakistan’s second indigenous army chief, General Muhammad Moosa, once observed that his training as a soldier was to locate and liquidate enemies. He felt uncomfortable in the world of politics with its complex issues and agendas and shifting allegiances and alliances. Soldiers are unsuited for politics, he declared, because they treat those disagreeing with them as enemies. “You cannot do that with your own people,” General Moosa said, explaining why he was never comfortable with the army running the country’s affairs.
E-mail: [email protected]

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And a contrasting article
http://nation.com.pk/daily/august-2006/30/columns3.php
To our politicians: Bugti or Pakistan?

AHMED QURAISHI
The death of Mr. Akbar Bugti reveals some serious problems within Pakistani politics. A major outpost of foreign interference in Pakistan is eliminated. But reading the reactions of most Pakistani politicians, you’d think the deceased was Nelson Mandela and not someone who made blowing up telephone and power lines a legitimate negotiating tool.

Pakistan should have moved decisively against Mr. Bugti’s foreign-armed and foreign-financed terrorism long time ago. The indecision has emboldened India and Afghanistan to meddle in domestic Pakistani issues without the slightest concern for a Pakistani reprisal.

Even sadder is that no Pakistani politician is willing to stress the primacy of the Pakistani state over petty domestic politics. No Pakistani politician is willing to say that the State takes precedence over any one individual. If no one is willing to say it, Islamabad should have said it loud and clear. But, surprisingly, government ministers came out weak and apologetic in defending Pakistan’s position.
Islamabad’s reaction to Mr. Bugti’s should have been this, “Mr. Bugti and his terrorists are dead. Collaborating with foreigners against Pakistan is not negotiable and will never be.” Not taking this position has sown seeds of doubt and confusion within the Pakistani public opinion and will give anti-Pakistan elements another chance, consid
ering that the first chance - Mr. Bugti himself - has been eliminated.
The incident also highlights an old fact: Pakistani politics is a dirty, immature business. **In defending Mr. Bugti, no one seems to be bothered that the late politician-turned-terrorist was recruiting young Pakistanis to destroy their own nation from within, running private militias and underground jails, and conducting his own direct communications with other countries in a direct challenge to the entire Pakistani nation. Mr. Bugti’s unforgivable crime remains the targeting of Chinese citizens living and working peacefully in Pakistan. **Thanks to Mr. Bugti, Chinese diplomatic missions in Pakistan were forced to issue safety alerts to their citizens for the first time in the great history of Sino-Pakistani relations.
It is criminal on the part of some of our politicians that no one is mentioning the crimes committed by Mr. Bugti against his tribe, the Pakistani nation and against our great country.

As a first step to redress this situation, the entire Pakistani political class, opposition and government, should strongly reject Indian and Afghan statements on the death of Mr. Bugti. If we let this pass without a common stand, Pakistan’s standing will be affected in the region. This should not be allowed at any cost.
Second, Islamabad should show some spine. Half-hearted statements coming from the ministers - “It was not intended”, “We exhausted political channels”, etc - is conveying weakness on the part of the Pakistani state.
Third, senior Pakistani politicians should shun opportunism, and especially avoid turning a terrorist into a national hero. No other State in the world could have tolerated half the activities that Mr. Bugti has been allowed to do in recent years. He reaped what he sowed.
**And finally, his death should be read for what it really is: A message to all outside Pakistan who have thought that creating and nurturing assets inside Pakistan can be a viable business. The result is clear. Pakistan will not allow this.**E-mail: [email protected]

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Nice article by Husein Haqqani, clearly written in a vacuum…passing off awami league as a benavolent peaceful organization, with no mention of its militant wing, mukti bahani, thus rendering the all too reall existence of mukti bahani as some sort of a phantom…liberal pakistanis have no moral or ethical grounding, their only modus [EMAIL=“oper@andi”]oper@andi is to collect as much blessings from their sugar daddies sitting in Washington as possible…

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He was the only person perhaps to own an Aston Martin, imported tax free during Benazir's tenure.

He never developed the state of baluchis. If they were developed like sindh & punjab today, we might have even had a national football team, who would have definitely won the FIFA cup...I know baluchis play really awesome football.

Now this process of elimination should also be carried against the other sardars, chaudries & landlords who have done absolutely no good.

Aaj kya pakaaya/khaaya
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why embarrass the donkey? I suggest altaf carries a khota on his head.

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haha plus, seeing how much altaf bhayya is consuming these days, thats probably a good idea