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See you people can argue day in and day out about the rights and wrongs of ths move. It had both advantages and disadvantages attached to it. I am not going to listen to the anti-govt politicians (or pro-govt for that matter) because they love to politicize a death and strengthen their respective agendas. It is a major step and one that could have been avoided. Lets hope that Balochis reap benefits of this unfortunate incident.
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keep living in your dream world 
DDUUUHHHHHH…your own ‘source’ was turned against you and used to prove you completely ignore the ground reality, despite it being screamed all over the country
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Nope, by quoting from it you proved my point there are two sides to every story, not just the one sidedness you wanted others to believe. I quoted what real Pakistani people (not biased politicians) were saying - did you care to read those or were those too painful for you?
You dismissed the Frontier Post as a unheard of and bizarre paper and then just minutes later you were posting links from it yourself, completely contradicting your earlier statement. That was just too good. 
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More on what Humadan Bugti said.
Era of crimes, abductions, murders over with Akbar Bugti: Hamdan Bugti
The era of crimes, abductions, killings and keeping innocent people in private jails has ended with the death of Akbar Bugti, Chief of Raicha tribe Hamadan Bugti said Sunday. Speaking in a Geo News programme, he said no one has mourned the death of Akbar Bugti in his area as he provided no relief to people. Akbar Bugti met the fate due to his stubborn behaviour. He always rejected resolving differences with dialogue. He was anxious to receive money in the name of royalty, obviously the right of his clan. On receiving money he keep mum while on finishing money he resorted to violence browbeating. Hamdan Bugti said Akbar Bugti was annoyed with him because he launched development activities in Dera Bugti area during his tenure as chairmanship of the respective district council. He said Akbar Bugti was ruling the area through sheer coercion and intimidation.
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you again are grasping at straws, the paper used was only in a post to you, to again show how you ignore the truth, which you plainly did. The prevailing opinion by, as you say ‘real Pakistani people’…which you conveniently ignored
Anyways you are plainly delude so have fun believing your fantasy world :rolleyes:
Yet some more condemnation from the people of Pakistan
http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/28/ed.htm#1
Tragedy with a price
IT is distressing to find the president congratulating the country’s security forces for their “successful operation” that killed Nawab Akbar Bugti and several of his companions in the Bhambore Hills of Balochistan on Saturday. Every sensible person should be filled with deep foreboding at this critical development. The repercussions may not be immediately visible but they will appear in time, as our troubled political history has shown whenever force has been employed to solve a political problem. Nawab Bugti was a headstrong, politically erratic person and a tribal sardar to the core of his being, with all the characteristic harshness and also some of its paternalistic mellowness. He had lent his services to various governments, compromising relations with even some of his own fellow Baloch leaders to become both governor and chief minister of his province at the expense of old party comrades. His politics could hardly be described as being always very consistent.
But, outspoken as he was, Bugti also articulated the nationalist aspirations of the people of his province and was respected by almost every ethnic group there. His killing could easily lead to a recrudescence of nationalist sentiment, not merely in Balochistan but also in Sindh, and the acts of sabotage in Balochistan which appeared to be waning may return in a more violent form. Indeed, it is mystifying why this operation, reminiscent of the targeted attacks carried out against Al Qaeda suspects, was carried out now when a Bugti tribal jirga was arranged only the other day with such fanfare by the government. Although patently stage-managed, it seemed like an attempt to politically isolate Nawab Bugti and his companions and gradually wean away the sardars’ followers. This was the right approach to Balochistan’s pacification, and fitted in with the efforts made earlier by Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain (who, significantly, has expressed his regret over the Bhambore incident) and Senator Mushahid Hussain.** Many Baloch and nationalist demands are rooted in the realities of calculated indifference and neglect over decades. They need to be understood and redressed rather than their advocates being branded as traitors and ‘miscreants’ and wiped out with missiles. **Political angularities need time to be tackled: feudal and tribal systems cannot be uprooted over-night by proclamations and through violent methods.
The folly of blocking the natural flow of political ideas and opinions by the military has always led to disaster. The Saturday battle, which was obviously strongly fought by the dissident tribal people, resulting in the death of several security personnel, will also lead to a sharp deterioration in the already heated government-opposition relations and can only further pollute the political atmosphere. It doesn’t do the state any good to be remembered as an executioner of former prime ministers and chief ministers. This paper has repeatedly stressed that neglecting issues of provincial autonomy and federal decentralisation will result in incalculable harm. Nawab Bugti had fallen out with Islamabad on previous occasions too, but there was always a sullen reconciliation later. Why the break this time went so deep and led to such a bloody end is not immediately clear. Perhaps ultimately the epitaph will be couched in the immortal lines of Muneer Niazi: “the denizens of the city were cruel, but we too perhaps had a wish to be killed.”
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Saby, as you said whatever biased politicians say the average Balochi was already reaping benefits of the military operation against Bugti and his terrorists. For example while the terrorists cowered in their graves, over 10,000 Balochi’s expelled by Bugti years ago were helped back to the region by the Musharraf govt. Now that was a major achievment for Balochistan by this govt. :k:
http://www.geo.tv/main_files/pakistan.aspx?id=104592
**Displaced Bugti-Kalpar tribesmen return to their homes **
DERA BUGTI: Hundreds of families belonging to the Kalpar and Mashori sub-tribes of the Bugti tribe, who had allegedly been evicted from Dera Bugti in 1997, have started returning to their ancestral land. The Kalpar Bugtis have arrived in the area via Kashmore, while the Mashori Bugtis came via the Rakhni area of the Barkhan district of Balochistan. However, reports said the caravan of the Kalpars had been fired upon by unknown armed men on their way to Sui. However, no fatalities were reported. It has been learnt that the government is facilitating the re-settlement of the Kalpar and Mashori tribes in their native areas. The two returning sub-tribes were happy when they entered their hometown. Sources said the process of tribesmen’s return would continue during the next few days.
Sui Jalaluddin Kalpar, the grandson of Wadera Khan Mohammad Kalpar, thanked President Pervez Musharraf for restoration of law and order in Dera Bugti and establishing the writ of the government and delivering his tribesmen from the forced exile and the atrocities of Nawab Akbar Bugti.
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I believe that the question is not whether or not Akbar Bugti was a traitor, its not whether or not he was a threat to the fedaration, its not whether he should have been killed or not. The real question is that how government's approach will effect the thought process of the silent majority of the province. Balochistan has been criminally neglected without doubt and now that we suddenly realised the potential of gowadar project and trade coridors Akbar Bugti became a threat....Before this we were happy to pay to shut him up. So the silent majority of the province that knew they were neglected by the nation but were no fans of Bugti as well may see this as a slap in the face....Because despite their differences with Bugti politics they did see him as some one who stood for their rights. So the discussion is not about his criminal side.....Yes by killing him we have killed the ruthless criminal side of his personality but have we managed to further alienate Balochis and provided him an undeserving folk hero stature.
I am no Bugti fan infact a staunch critic but I strongly believe that at this time it is critical that all leaders especially Punjabi laeders stand up and protest not for Bugtis sake but for Balochistan's and pakistan's sake.
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Thoughtful points have been raised by people here.
Since the creation of Pakistan to this day, it is the army, its fathers Punjabi elite and their allies who have been holding the people as captives and using Pakistani land as if they are divinely appointed nabobs of the land and have all rights to rule it and oppress others.
What we have seen recently is another topped up event in the long list of crimes committed by the army with or without the support of political establishment. They had no ears to listen, no eyes to see and no brains to comprehend what had happened to East Pakistan not so long ago. Due to their stubbornness, they think that they can make peace in the land with bullets and bombs [US ally after all].
See the latest development in Balochistan and in the whole country. There are riots going on, curfew in Quetta with 450 arrested. No transport links between Punjab and Balochistan/Sindh. All trains are sitting in Sibbi and other stations. This is just the beginning. To Balouchis, it is a murder of their hero which will escalate further violence and give a reason to further their nationalistic movements.
Violent Nationalistic Separatist movements only arise and only arose due to the long time oppression of the power elite. TO them, Lahore, Gujrat, Gujranwala is Pakistan and all other areas and their people are not worth to spend money on. The whole big Pakistan has been constantly ignored other than the so called Upper Punjab. The reason why I mentioned this is that it gave way to the organizations like PONM to set up and demand their rights from the Punjabi elite. Balouchi movements are also part of PONM BUT none of their demands have been listened to and none of their problems have been solved in the past.
In a country with diverse peoples, with different races, cultures and languages, ONE single central governmental body and its rigid and failed policies and above all its oppression of the other peoples and stubbornness to listen to their demands is the main reason why Pakistan is in such a catastrophe.
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Yet again, you just don’t know what your talking about.:rolleyes:
The return of the expelled tribesman was a program started by Gen.Babar and BB. It was stopped once she was dismissed. Once Bugti strated fighting Mush, the program was started again.
Both times it was done as a political move against Bugti, not some altruistic gachievement that you would like us to believe.
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Yup, as others have said the people of Balochistan, especially those in Bugti’s own region are welcoming the end of this tyrant who persecuted them for so long.
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I was never a bit in favour of Nawab Bugti. But I had never thought of an end to his saga in this way.
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I just fail to comprehend what all these people ranting about "criminal neglect" of a province actually mean. If you mean that adequate resources weren't allocated to education, infrastructure development and other public sector services then that's a weak argument because Baluchistan is in absolute control of the feudals, unlike places in Sindh, Punjab even NWFP where the feudals have been more co-operative. Most of the province was a "B" area where the government didn't have a writ, moreover when you actually get something going they actually start blowing up schools and killing Chinese engineers, stealing "their" wealth. You can NOT have development in such a hostile atmosphere, which has been there in Baluchistan since independence, where the average Pakistani can not get in, where tribal loyalties are eveything, where the feudals are so anti-development in the first place because that will then empower their loyal subjects and inturn undermine their own absolute authority. Let there be no doubt that the feudals command absolute, total authority in that province. The closest analogy anyonecan come up for Baluchistan would be Afghanistan, I want to know how much "development" has taken place in that country which has a similar environment/power structure/terrain to Baluchistan, even with the presence of over 40,000 or so coalation troops and billions of dollars of foreign aid. The reality is for any progress to take place, the feudal terrorists like Akbar Bugti have to change their confrontational mondsets and actually work with the government and lobby in the parliament for whatever they need, if they actually feel so deprived and neglected. The mechanism is there.
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More and more people from Balochistan are speaking out against the tyranny of Bugti.
Akbar Bugti did nothing for development of Balochistan: Senator Muhabat Khan Marri
Senator Muhabat Khan Marri Sunday said Nawab Akbar Bugti did nothing for the development of Balochistan and the people of his tribe. Talking to PTV, he said Akbar Bugti served on high government positions such as governor in the past, but he did nothing for the betterment of Baloch people. He kept promoting his own interests while in power, he added. Akbar Bugti was against the development of the area and also opposed setting up of educational institutions. He said Akbar Bugti was well aware of the fact that people after getting education would raise voice against his brutal activities. Mhuabat Khan recalled that Akbar Bugti kidnapped people who wanted to contest elections against him. To a question he said common Balochis are against the Sardari system in the area. People of Balochistan wanted peace, progress, development, employment and education in their province he added.
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Saby,
“Banda soch samajh ker baat nikaalta hai
But as you have said it, I will tell you why is this not gonna happen!
Bugti’s political stubborness meant he never had much support for his views. Most balochis suffered from his decisions one way or the other so yes there will be agitations in remains of Murree and Bugti tribes and some parts of Pakistan but that is not gonna reach hazardous proportions. Revelations against him came too many too open.
Although Its a sorry thing to have happened but the only way to go from here is upwards and May Allah help Baloch tribes and make them realize some benefits of development which have not reached them thus far.”
This has already happened. Read this
Bugti’s killing sparks riots: Three shot dead, 600 arrested; Quetta schools closed for 3 days
http://dawn.com/2006/08/28/top1.htm
This seems a beginning of an end.
FARID
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That’s well said. You have absolute monarchs like this Bugti nutcase ruling over their respective districts with rigid ANTI-DEVELOPMENT agendas, suited for their own political careers, and then they rant “criminal neglect”. Duh. It’s actually more like the FEUDALS CRIMINALLY NEGLECTED their OWN SPECIFIC CONSTITUENCIES. That would make some sense.
Re: BREAKING NEWS - Nawab Akbar Bugti killed
One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist :)
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Its not coz of hub-e-bhugti, bal k its becaseu of bughz-e-musharaff 
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Its an oppurtunity govt. to jump in Baluchistan and start improving lives of the common baluchis like improving the Gwadar port etc.
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Hey mulz,
What do you think of Mushie trying too hard to be a punjabi, when his whole drama is all too obvious, from his fake punjabi accent to rants on kalabagh dam...In reality he has done more harm to the interest of punjab then any other leader in the past...Is he taking punjab for a ride??????