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I’m sure atheists say the same about God and hereafter etc.
If something doesn’t make sense to you doesn’t mean it’s B crap.
In Indo-Pak, fake shaykhs and peer hijacked and twisted the concept of tabarruk and tawassul and turned it into a money making business. On top, the wahabi ideology rose and made the naive masses believe they were the voice of reason and rationale. This is how we lost the concept of adab and barakah.
But then would the Prophet not have stopped the Ashab when he saw them doing this?
What about the Sahaba clamouring to get the used Wudhu water after he had made his ablutions?
The fact is that no one “worships” these artifacts. But since they were possessed by our Master that we have so much love and Adab for them.
The only parallel I can draw is if you lost someone close to you e.g a parent or child.. And you kept something that belonged to them to remind you of this person. Simples 
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from the last sermon of the last prophet
“Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.”
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You are asking me these questions because you KNOW your answer ‘tabarruk’ CANNOT be implied from the ahadith you mentioned. You make a claim that these ahadith are for ‘tabarruk’ reference. you, instead of backing your claim asking me question, lolz.
And i do have explained you for disposing nails and hair but maybe you could not understand that so not mentioning again.
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ok, and that is not for tabarruk, right 
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I pray to the Almighty, not to RasulAllah
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I think there is a balance here which if not kept can lead people astray. Yes there are accounts of Prophet Yusufs father being healed when he touched the cloak but that was a miracle that Allah allowed. And yes there are hadith of sahabah taking the used water of the prophet after wudhu but thats a different situation entirely. The prophet was in their midst. He was right THERE. They could touch him see him. Anyone that blessed and beloved to Allah, of course everyone would run to take whatever they could of his belongings.
But these examples are not the same as having a PICTURE of his sandals and thinking that picture will somehow bestow blessings upon you.
Doing dhum and reading Qur’anic ayats are completely different to a picture. There is evidence and sunah that the prophet did so these things.
However what you should remember is that it is with Allah’s permission that duas are then accepted. You just have more chance of duas being accepted if you do it the way the prophet did it because everything he did was the best way.
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The thing is, seeking barakah in holy relics is not something new in Islamic history. Sahabah did it during Prophet’s life, Taba Ta’baeen did it after he (SAW) passed away from this world, and then these traditions were passed on to the next and the next and so on.
And you mentioned the Prophet Yusuf (AS)’ cloak…well, Allah could’ve done it without any cloak, but He made the cloak the source for the cure because of Prophet Yusuf (AS)'s prayer and devotion. The mention of the blessed cloak in Quran is there for us to ponder over.
I mean people do stupid stuff to show their devotion to their favourite movie stars or singers or whatever…then why look down upon those who would want to keep a paper cutting of the best of the creation’s sandal? And if they seek for any blessings in it so what?
They know that Allah can put shifa and barakah in any object whether it’s a cloak or a piece of fruit or medicine.
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sorry to say, but a belief like this is nothing but pure shirk. Jo kaam allah nahi ker rahaa, wo rasool kee jooti kar rahi hai. good one.
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And then we blame Taliban and ISIS for being intolerant, labelling everyone else as kafir and mushrik, and destroying all the tombs and graves.
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Fine with me. Aap shouq sai latkaaian apne galay main paper prints of those shoes and expect miracles and blessings.
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Shirk is defined as what it is as per the books of aqeedah … It is not shirk because it evades understanding or familiarity.
Shirk = placing a power inherently in something that it cannot hold or using one of the Attributes of Allah (SWT) on to another thing …
No one is saying relics hold power - except that they are a form of expression - not part of Islam, but part of the behaviour of people - like collecting things … the barakah is obtained from the love behind the connection of the lover of his beloved and that is granted by Allah (SWT) and the whole of the jism mubarak of RasoolAllah (SAW) is a miracle and a form of cleansing and shif’a for us. The hair and actual sandals are really for barakah as they are either from RasoolAllah (SAW) or have touched him (SAW). However, the likes of making a copy is purely out of love and it is not a devotional practice according to Shari’ah and hence it is not in the books of Shari’ah and no one is making that claim - however, it is permissible as indicated from the ahadith so long as the requirements of bid’a and shirk are observed.
Barakah just means blessing - so how can a blessing come from holding items of RasoolAllah (SAW)? Well because they remind us of him? Our love is focused and we get a return for it. Some people need not have these things to have love … other may well benefit by them. But the hair strands and actual items that have touched RasoolAllah (SAW) are actually sacred for us because they have touched him (SAW). This is not shirk - because we know nothing can touch Allah (SWT) …
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Psyah yar, read this from the original post
you dont see nothing fundamentally wrong with this belief? How different is it then Christians carrying cross with the same belief?
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Reems, Last night I had started typing the example of Hazrat Yusuf (AS)'s shirt and how he was told to place it over his father and the latter’s sight returned. Does that mean that the shirt became an object of worship?
You recite Allah’s name over something and barkat is added in it. For instance you recite Bismillah or even Fatiha over a glass of water, there is more blessing in it. Exactly how that barkat will affect your body or rooh is a a different matter. Now if it doesn’t heal your illness, that’s Allah ki marzi…but that still should not make one arrogant enough to say or even imply that medicines or drugs are more superior or effective to than the former. I am not suggesting that one shouldn’t seek medical treatment, however even if the drugs worked for you..it was because of Allah’s will. With such reasoning, what does then one say if the most highly advanced of drugs and medical treatments doesn’t work for some people while it works for others…just as dam kia hua pani may heal some and not others? As tempting as it is to rant that it’s not effective, as Muslims we are to believe that in either case (meds or ruqya) the cure is in Allah’s Hands; it’s His marzi. We shouldn’t be trying to use the former to dismiss the latter or to say that there is no barkat in something upon which Allah’s name is recited or which Rasool SAWS has said contains barkat.
Last night I wanted to post that since there is more than one side to a story, why aren’t people considering the possibility that maybe Western propaganda is trying to mar the image of zamzam? Is that so unreasonable? Now Rasool SAWS encouraged using ithmid kohl in the eyes and he said is strengthens the eyes and makes lashes grow. There is some debate as to whether this kohl was made from antimony or leas sulphide..but it’s thought to be lead sulphide. Now, Western media slammed hashmi surma which had been used for years for having lead sulphide and how dangerous it is. And I do not know how bad this brand of surma was but a team of French scientists discovered lead sulphide in ancient Egyptian cosmetics particularly kohl and it was found that in certain amounts, this compound was found to be beneficial for the body. But you have two conflicting views; not just one view. Allah says that there is healing in honey. The Prophet SAWS told us to seek cure through honey. In a hadith a mam was recommended by Him SAWS to consume honey for an ailment. The man returned to the Prophet SAWS maybe twice saying he saw no improvement and each time he was told to not give up as Allah would not lie. Sometimes we don’t follow a remedy regularly or give it time; we want immediate results. But even if you don’t see them, you should be careful in what you say about it; you should use a tone of mockery for zam zam and ruqya etc. That does not reflect respect. Some folks here are sooo scared of shirk and committing shirk that they don’t realize or see the disrespect/mockery in their tone toward relics, toward reciting Quran for shifa, etc etc.
And for those who insist on following that which is only mentioned in the Quran, well that’s why I put forth the salah example…as a way to ask where do you draw the line? Do you then pick and choose which of the authentic ahadith you will believe and which you will dismiss? And for most of us, we pray a certain way not because we researched the ahadith for how to perform salah…but more because that’s how we were taught by our family. And yes there are variations in salah in the ahadith and different sects pray differently. But the point is that you only and only have ahadith from which to learn about how to perform it. So common sense tells u that you study thee resources you have and pick the one that is supported by majority of the schools or is more sound. You don’t sit there and say well Prophet SAWS did not even want there to be hadith. In that case your rejection should be consistent instead of picking and choosing what to accept/reject. But even proponents of “Quran only and nothing else” pick and choose what they want to follow from the book and how they choose to interpret its verses.
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If Allah or his prophet said that there are blessings in certain object (ZamZam, Yousuf’s shirt, etc etc) then there are blessings. If Allah or his prophet did not say that then us assuming that is a borderline shirk. This is exactly how idol worshiping start after the death of Hazrat Ilyaas (AS). Satan came to people and said that ‘would’nt it be great for us to preserve the belongings of all the naik buzurgs who left us, so we can remember them, and that will keep reminding us of the message they brought?’. Later on he suggested to create statues of those that left so people who never saw them would know how they looked like. That whole thought process turned into pfirst eople started worshiping through them, and then worshiping them eventually
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One more thing. I don’t think someone like Shaykh Yaqoubi who is a descendent of the Prophet SAWS…and who has studied aqeedah and fiqh would suggest an act that is sinful. The scholars like Hamza Yusuf and Nouman Ali Khan are right when they say that people these days think they know more than the scholars who have dedicated years of study of the religion…that even the ulema of bygone days…expressed their differences with greater respect and civility when debating matters and were men of vast knowledge. We’re nothing compared to them; we can’t even manage to do our namazin regularly and on time but we argue as though we have studied the matter from every school of Islam. We who don’t have that kind of knowledge or mastery seem to think that our medical and engineering degrees and heck I’ll even toss mine in there…that our teaching degrees make us more “right” than a scholar who has done an in- depth study.
A few days ago I watched a video on a matter where the scholar said that it’s deemed permissible in some schools and prohibited in others and that it’s up to you which you want to follow. And people here have not thought to themselves that maybe…just maybe…the shaykh’s stance on the nalayn is based in examples from Islam that support the stance. But instead some of us rush to condemn his stance without having explored the Islamic resources which support it.
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There is a story about a bread maker (Naan Baa’ee) in Iran. He used to sell yesterdays bread at higher price than the fresh ones that he would bake today. Someone said that what is the logic behind selling stale bread at a higher price than that of the fresh bread? He said that the time (zamana) of yesterdays bread is closer to Prophet’s zamana than of today’s bread, so yesterdays one is more special, hence more expensive.
Now that is pure love (and great marketing :D). Love of prophet is also part of our eeman, so loving his belongings, or anything associated to him becomes a deep seeded emotion inside every Muslim. But to start thinking that holding or possessing such item is going to do miracles is pure ignorance in my opinion.
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We say we love the Prophet SAWS but we don’t follow his sunnah…not even in the most basic of ways. I only learned about the nalain two days ago. Up until then I had never heard of it. When I come upon accounts of miracles that the awliya have experienced thru such examples or reciting a durood or surah…I don’t think pfft yeah right..like that’s possible. I think us zamaanay k laug ziyada naik thay…they were better Muslims than me and many of us…their imans were stronger…and they approached their dhikr and other forms of ibadat with greater sincerity…and so perhaps this is why they were blessed by Allah with karamaat.
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RV we love our parents also, but dont always listen to them either. Love has nothing to do with obedience
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If you love Allah then follow the Messenger SAWS. And we have all come across these words. So, love has naught to do with obedience; nothing at all then? Parents and the Prophet SAWS are not on the same level. The former is to be obeyed unless they suggest something which transgresses Islam. The latter does not suggest things that would be against Islam or disapproved by Allah. There’s a difference.