Re: My stupid questions about Osama's case
well if he was amreeki, sure. some bearded dude living on the other side of the world.. shoot first, verify later. did raymond davis or whatever the cia agent's name was verify the id cards of the guys he shot up? that wasn't even a covert op.
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The debris of the downed helicopter seems to suggest that it was some kind of stealth aircraft. Its quite possible that they took OBL's body through Pak airspace, but undetected.
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DNA is the ultimate proof of identity, how can it be secondary? How do we know what osama looked like after 10 years? I bet most people are imagining this old, thin, bearded guy in a turban. He could've been a chubby, clean shaven old man wearing a suit and glasses for all we know.
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Its also possible...that may be...............
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whats likely though is they have been watching the place and collecting intel for weeks, if not months, and had managed to obtain a sample long before the op launch.
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So who's who in the picture?
Second from the right is said to be Osama. Others are his siblings.
This pic is from their vacation trip in Sweden.
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DNA is the ultimate proof of identity, how can it be secondary? How do we know what osama looked like after 10 years? I bet most people are imagining this old, thin, bearded guy in a turban. He could've been a chubby, clean shaven old man wearing a suit and glasses for all we know.
well this is not a "who is the father of the baby" type of court case. you dont have to be 100% sure, infact when seals went over there they were only 60% sure and still they risked their lives. it is quite possible to indentify a man after 10 years especially if you are getting his video every year.
plus dont laugh, but you asked him and he said yes. His daughter said yes and that abdul said yes he is osama. not only that you found his son over there too.
good enough identification to kill osama or even his look alike if you ask me.
DNA proof is to remove any doubts if there were any and stop looking for him in the future.
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if you are osama look alike, you are as good as dead anyways.
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DNA proof is to remove any doubts if there were any and stop looking for him in the future.
Dude, they didn't even have his original DNA. A genetic kinship analysis wouldn't have been sufficient if this was a court case. But whatever, he's dead and justice is served for the 3000 victims of 9/11.
As for other innocent people's death, well, that's going to continue for a long long time.
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^^ Well then it would be secondary , wont it? you prove my point.
primary identification is just him, plus you ask him if you still have doubt.
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^^ Well then it would be secondary , wont it? you prove my point. primary identification is just him, plus you ask him if you still have doubt.
There's nothing to prove mere bhai. Visual identification is referred to as the "preliminary" method of identification and DNA is the confirmatory method. I'm just saying DNA profiling cannot be secondary (in terms of accuracy and importance) to a preliminary method of identification.
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This isn't even expert stuff, it should be common sense na, how can DNA be secondary to visual ID? :( That's all I was saying.
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Waisey, even if they released his pictures, how would one know they are real?
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Well there's forensic document/digital experts who can tell whether a document (money, letter, photograph etc) is fake or not. But did you know, CIA has in the past hired forgers out of prisons :D because they're just so good at what they do. So the conspiracy theories would never end.
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. Visual identification is referred to as the "preliminary" method of identification
In Indian movies, when amitabh used to put a fake beard and dark glasses on, even his girlfriend and mother were unable to recognize him. Maybe Osama was not an Indian movie fan werna aaj zinda hota
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This isn't even expert stuff, it should be common sense na, how can DNA be secondary to visual ID? :( That's all I was saying.
im sure you knnow they don't need his original DNA sample. A relative's would be sufficient.
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A relative's would be sufficient.
yeah rishtaydaar hamesha merwaaty hain .. aisay rishtaydaaron se tou dushman hee achchay
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im sure you knnow they don't need his original DNA sample. A relative's would be sufficient.
Not if you want to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was actually Osama since no two people have the same DNA, except twins. That is why they only performed a kinship analysis, just to confirm that the two people were blood relatives.
By the way guys, I'm not adding to the conspiracy theories, I'm just discussing DNA. I'm sure they got Osama chachu.
LOL @ amitabh :D
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collecting DNA is so easy and convenient... have u learnt nothing from movies and american tv series?