My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

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Even Muhammad Mustafa (saw) couldn't unite Ummah, how come that a Prophet of Israel will Unite the Ummah? Muhammad Mustafa (saw) was the greatest Prophet (saw) the Chief. He was sent to whole mankind!

Plus, you are not really answering my question, I think you don't have one and please don't try to confuse people who don't know. There will be no Prophet who will cause Bloodshed and the laws of the Holay Qur'an will never be abrogated. If that was so, the Qur'an would not say "All the Prophets we sent to mankind, all have been ridiculed" and the Qur'an claims that this 'law' or say this statement lasts till the Day of Judgement.

Brother, I have really so much respect for you, you are the only one who really cares and talks in peace and to me you are really a true Muslim. May Allah keep you and your family safe and grant you all his bounties.

You talk about Jesus and Mahdi. 2 Persons. And that Jesus will pray behind the Mahdi. Have you not though deep for awhile and thought that it could mean that the Christians would become Muslims? To me that is the simple meaning. Jesus will come back, but the Mahdi will lead the prayers. Isn't that strange? Why do 2 persons come back? Why not 1?

He talks **about another fold of sheep

Only 2 sheeps of bani Israel were left in Israel.

To my understanding, there were no Muslims. How many times shall I tell you that Muslims aren't a group or a color or a heritage! Remember, Jesus was a Prophet sent to the house of Israel. His first mission was to 'change' the Torah and to preach the Gospel. The second mission then was to collect the sheeps of Israel.

Let us do a rational test:

Allah and Muhammad Mustafa (saw) declared the lives of every human being as sacred!

Now comes a Prophet who will kill the swine and break the cross!

contradicting isn't it?
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oh mere bhai, Jesus (pbuh) will not come with any new scripture nor revelation! Isa (pbuh) will not lead the Muslims, Imam Mahdi will. Isa (pbuh) will only come to show the people of the book the TRUTH and to defeat the anti-christ which even the Christians believe, and Jews too are awaiting their messiah. obviously both of them will be fooled into believing the dajjal is their awaited messiah. if you can take everything else in our religion as metaphors, why do you then have trouble with the "break the cross and kill the pig"??

Allah and his Rasul (pbuh), have already warned us about the likes of mirza ghulam ahmad, just like Musailma was declared a great liar, so is mirza ghulam ahmad. both kuffar, there is no ifs or buts, all scholars agree upon this because of the fact musailma was declared kaffir!!

"And who can be more unjust than he who invents a lie against Allâh, or says: "A revelation has come to me" whereas no Revelation has come to him in anything; and who says, "I will reveal the like of what Allâh has revealed." And if you could but see when the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong doers) are in the agonies of death, while the angels are stretching forth their hands (saying): "Deliver your souls! This day you shall be recompensed with the torment of degradation because of what you used to utter against Allâh other than the truth. And you used to reject His Ayât (proofs, signs, revelations) with disrespect!"" (6:93)

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"There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace be upon him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, No. 4310)

"How will you be when the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel." (Bukhari)

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Oh my dear fellows :)

Why are all avoiding my questions? or the rational test? why are you making Islam look so irrational like all Fantasy Books? Why don't you sit down and look at this World, like it is running. Don't you see Dajjal? Don't you see the one-eyed Monster? Materialism?

Don't you know that the people of that time had a limited knowledge and all happens from step to step? In the Qur'an Allah tells Muhammad Mustafa (saw) about the atom! it is hotamah in Arabic. The Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) did not know what is meant by that!

Do you think the jews and the christians have not accepted the scientific side of Islam? It's not only scientifc. It's contains Philosophy, Poetry, Maths, Physics, Biology, Chemistry. What do you want? Why do you think the Qur'an is just a simple Book? The Book is filled with metaphors! In the Qur'an Sura 3, Verse 50 Allah says about Jesus that he will bring the dead back to life? His ability to create birds, to cure ailments including blindness? Jesus spoke in parables, such as the famous line

"let the dead bury their dead" (Matthew 8:22)

I cannot share the kind of belief you all have and I think even you don't believe in your belief. He will not bring a new law, true. No other faith, true. Still he will be a Prophet of Bani Israel and that would ALLEGEDLY not break the Seal of Prophets, alright! I got it, this is why I prayed "Rabbe Sidni Ilmaa", but still my interpretation seems to be not correct, out of Islam. Ahmadiyyat out if Islam, Zindabad. Zia, you got it done, you were struck down, but you and your bunch of rapists, murderers, cheaters got it done. The United Ummah bows down. One shot, One opportunity, on call and the slaughter can begin!

why didn't you kill the weak
why are we still alive
the agents of the jews
the feet lickers of the british empire
mama loves you, throw her into the fire
someone one come please blow us away

do something for your faith, time is now
kill the swine, break the cross
go to the nun, take off her veil
touch her breasts, get horny
and break the cross, break the cross

one shot, one opportunity, time is now
the world is yours, the world of liars
I'm freakin' out, I can't hold myself
this opportunity comes once in a lifetime
time is now, go and take out the sword
here comes the next line

you gotta kill the swine
go and take the sacred life
but don't forget to look deep
in those eyes, come back to reality
it's not a killing spree, what a brutality

So,

How will be your Situation when Isa (ra), Son of Mary will be raised from among you?"

Crazy that Jesus (ra) was sent to fly back to Allah. Sit besides Allah for maybe 3000 years and learn the Qur'an or what will he do? What is he doing there so long? Isn't he bored? Is he alive, dead? Will he be a Muslim? Please answer this, because if you can't answer, you make it look irrational. Really, you make this faith irrational and dumb.

Please don't say what "we don't know what Allah wants"...You know what he wants, it's all written down in the Holy Qur'an. Allah will perish Islam over all with peace. Do you really think that the Muslim World has a attracting faith to give the westerners? Of course, the media has a huge influence, but to be honest, hand on your hearts, was it necessary to burn down the Embassy of Denmark after the Muhammad Mustafa (saw) cartoons, caricatures. Do you think that Muslims don't do this? Maybe not in such a way, but in Palestinian schools hatred is taught against jews. Is it just? Can we say, we are following the principles of Islam? Is this the teaching Muhammad Mustafa (saw) brought for us and nearly gave his life for that? The Jews used to say to him "As Samu Alaika" meaning "Death be upon you". One day Hazrat Aicha (ra) replied back "Wa Samu Alaika". The Holy Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) said to Hazrat Aicha (ra) "Oh Aicha, why don't you pray for this people like I do?".

A old Jewish Women used to throw dirt on him from her roof. One day she didn't throw dirt and our Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) was surprised. He went to her house to see if everything is alright. He asked her why she didn't throw dirty and saw she was ill. The Holy Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) cared for her and this woman became a Muslima.

I told you the story of Salah-Ud-Deen. 3000 Muslims had been executed brutally by the crusader. Christians lived in Jerusalem, but as History knows Salah-Ud-Deen waived the option off to do the same. Excellent.

You talk about the awaited Messiah by the Jews. the Jews are waiting since 3000 years for a Messiah who already appeared as Isa (ra). They did not recognize him and were responsible for his cruxification. Don't you study History? What do you know? Do you know anything about Judaism and Christianity? or do you know only about Islam?

Where has Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (ra) lied? Where? Do you know anything about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (ra)? Not only you, but all? Does anyone here know anything about him? You only know the ridiculed side of him. I'm 100 % sure you have not read one book of him, or one neutral writing about him. I'm 100 % sure you don't know about History, nothing about the British Empire, the Rajas and Maharajs, the Christian Missionaries and their accusations You know nothing. I'm sorry to say this, but this all crap and you fairytales are crap, you can't even answer the rational and now gonna come here and talk to me and tell me my belief is wrong. At least I don't have a belief of a Fantasy Book!

This is like I want to drive car without going through the theory- and practical test!

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you have such childish views, please grow up. no sane Muslim or even a Christian would say “jeus having chai with Allah”.. how dare you!? How dare you speak about Allah and his Prophets like that?!

this is what the ahamdiyya cult teaches you?! this filth?! this rubbish?! your cult is no different than all the other cults on the face of the earth.

may Allah show you the right path soon, you are losing it BIG TIME!

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dude, your seriously trippin now!!!

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Peace Numb

When you take up an issue with us make sure you're not going to compromise your own religious stance because according to my understanding even the ahmadis believe that Masih will unite the ummah, even though you interprate this as a chain of khalifas but your intent is to unite the ummah. So you see it is not unreasonable for us to present this argument from hadith that this will be so.

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if you would like to find out more about ahmadis go to the website
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website
please do not make judgements about anything unless you have done your proper research before giving advice, do not just read the books/articles that are against ahmadis there are always two sides to a story
please dont make this thread full of hate for anyone we are all muslims
**Islam means PEACE **keep this in mind thanks

DANCE AND MASTI .....!!!! :D :D :D
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What is Ahmadiyat anyways? can anyone explain please? what are the differences?

Thanks

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when the ahmadi youth have never read the books of their cult leader, what do you expect from others? Why is it that the establishment is reluctant to translate the urdu books into English language? but if YOU say so, here is just ONE example from a book already translated… from that site you just gave.. READ on…

from ‘Devine Manifestation’ p4/5 : Mirza (the messiah, the mahdi) says

"…Then God has called Himself the Moon and named me the sun. This indicates that He will manifest His glorious light through me. He was hidden, but shall be manifested through me. He was hidden, but shall now be manifested through me. The world was unaware of His radiance, but now, through me, His awe-inspiring light will spread all over the world."

is this the man you praise? this clown who says he is the sun and God is the moon? Come to Islam, come to the TRUTH.

those ahamdis who will come now and shout “METAPHOR” save your metaphor “logic” for urself we hear it all the time. Islam is not about metaphors, it’s a WAY OF LIFE for both this world and akhira!

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S.A

Ye bhi aik ajeeb baat hai ke Mirza sahab to her jagah bari shaddo-mad ke saath apne maseeh hone ka dawa kerte rahe, (balke agar ye kaha jaye ke un ki masihiat ki gharz-o-ghayyat hi ye thi ke log un ko maseeh maan lein to is main qatan mubaligha nahin ho ga, kis liye or kin maanon main, is se shayad khud un ko bhi gharz nahin thi kiyoonkeh un ke apne farishton ke ilm main nahin tha ke Hazrat Eisa alehis salam kin maanon main Maseeh the. Ye ghaliban is liye bhi tha ke shayad mirza sahab ko un ka apna libas 'fit' nahin aata tha or logon ke samne wo be-libas bhi nahin nazar aana chahte the chunanche kabhi wo maseehiat ka 'shimla' sar per sajane ki koshish kerte the kabhi mehdi ki poshak ko maal-e-muft dil-e-be-rahem ke misdaq istemaal kerna jaiz samajhte the) magar Pure Quraan ko alif sey ya tak parh jane ke bawajood Hazrat Eisa Alehis Salam ka Isharatan bhi kahin ye dawa nazar nahin aya ke "main Maseeh hoon" na hi Injeel-e muqaddas main kahin un ka ye dawa milta hai. (Shayad kisi ne un ko zindagi bhar is taraf tawajoh hi nahin dilai ke masshiat ka bhi dawa kerna perta hai) balke her jagha yehi milta hai ke un ko to Allah ne Maseeh qarar diya tha or Paidaishi tor per (Balke Wiladat se bhi pehle) un ke Maseeh hone ka Ailaan ferma dia tha.

To Mirza sahab ko kis ne maseeh banaya tha or kab banaya tha?

Or Mirza sahab ki naboowat bhi apne terz ki nirali naboowat hai ke jis ke liye Allah SWT ne apni hamesha ki sunnat bhi (jis ke liye wo khud fermata hai ke us ki Sunnat main tum koi tabddul or taghayyur nahin pao ge) tabdeel ker di or wo is tarah ke poore anbiya Alehimus salam ki tareekh gawah hai ke allah SWT ne apne anbiya per wahi un ki apni (madri) zaban main nazil ki or tamam anbia apni hi zaban main tableegh bhi kerte rahe, yahan tak ke Hazrat Khatam-ul-anbiya SAWAW ka bhi koi qol or Hadees Ibrani ya farsi zaban main dastiyab nahin hai. magar Mirza sahab aise khusoosi nabi hain ke un per dunya ki kai zabanon main to wahi nazil hoti rahi magar Allah ne un ki walida mohterma ki zaban yani panjabi ko ye sharf nahin bakhsha ke us main bhi kalam ker leta.

Hai na Khariq-us-Sunnat naboowat?

Or mazeed ye ke jin beshter zabanom main un per wahi nazil hoti rahi un main english bhi shamil hai or un ke pass aane wale farishton main se aik ka naam khud unhon ne "Teachi" bhi bataya (jo english word Teach yani taaleem ko arbia ke us main yae-nisbat laga ker Teachi ker liya gaya hai) magar jin Hazrat Eisa Alhis Salam ke naam se woh maseel ban ker maseeh hone ka dawa ker rahe hain un ki zaban yani Hebrew ya Ibrani main un ke rab ne un se kabhi kalam nahin kiya.

Hai na mazedar baat?????

Is ke sath hi Mirza Sahab jo ba-Zom-khud Ayat "yati minm baadi ismohu Ahmed" ka misdaq bane jate hain or Apne taeen Ahmed-e-mouud samajhte hain to un ki misaal to aisi hi hai ke koi Abdur-Rehman khud ko Rehman samajh le ya Abdur Rab khud ko Rab kehne or kehelwane lage.

Or jahan tak mirza sahib ki ‘ghulami-e-Ahmad ka bhi taaluq hai who bhi bas isi had tak hai ke un ke walid ne un ki paidaish ke waqt un ka naam azrahe aqeedatmandi Ghulam Ahmad rakh diya tha jaisa ke khud un ke apne walid ne un ka naam Ghulam Murtaza rakha tha. Na to khud Mirza sahib ne Hazrat Ahmad Salawatullah wa salamoho Aleh ki bazabta tor per koi Ghulami ikhtiar ki na hi Hazrat Ahmad Salawatullah wa salamoho Aleh ne un ko koi sanad ghulami ki ata farmai. Is se to kahin ziada Mirza sahib sari zindagi Angrez sarkar ki ghulami ka dam bherte rahe hain or apne aqeedatmandon ko bhi is baat ki basarahat takeed kerte rahe hain ke wo hamesha sultanate bartania ke tabedaar rahain or kabhi un ke kisi hukm ki hukm udooli na karain. (hawale ke liye un ka risala ‘Kashful Ghitaa’ mulahiza ho jis main unhon ne ‘*hukoomate ingleshia’ ko apne ghulame-be-daam hone ka yaqeen dilaya hai *) chunanche dar haqeeqat to un ko zati tor per “Taj-e-Izzat janab malika-moazama qaisera-e-Hind dam-o-Iqbaleha” ki ghulami ka sharaf hasil raha hai. Is main bhi yeh pehloo abhi wazeh nahin hai ke “Taj-e-Izzat janab malika-moazama qaisera-e-Hind dam-o-Iqbaleha” ne bhi un ki ghulami ko sanad ata farmai thi ke nahin.

Hazrat Ahmad Salawatullah wa salamoho Aleh ki ghulami ki sanad ke silsile main to yehi baat kafi hai ke mirza sahib aik ghaddar or doghle ghulam (mujhe in sifaat ke izhar ke liye in se ziada narm alfaz mil nahin sake jis ki maazrat chahta hoon) ki tarah apne usi Aaqa ke, jis ki khud ghulami ke daawedar hain, sarqa bil-jabr kerte hue tamam maratib per qabza-e najaiz ki sai farmate rahe or apne usi aaqa ke tamam alqabat oarh ker beth gaye.

Hai na bemisaal ghulaami?

Aik or mazedar baat ye hai ke Mirza sahab fermate hain ke Allah SWT ne An-Hazrat (Sawaw) ko Khatimun-nabieen yani Nabiyon ki mohr banaya hai (shayad ye nukta is liye nikala hai taake koi bhi jaalsaz, apni danist main, un ki ghermojoodgi ka faida utha ker is mohr ko istemaal ker sake bilkul aise hi jaise koi jaali dastaweez bana ker us per university ke chansler ki stamp laga ker khud ko greduate sabit kerta hai). Or mirza sahab ke baqol woh khud An-Hazrat Sawaw ki mohr se nabi bane hain. magar dilchasp baat ye hai ke Mirza sahab tamam umr apne ooper 'marka' Maseeh Ibne Maryam A.S ka dikhate rahe, shayad An-hazrat Sawaw ki angushtri ka nagina kisi jaalsaaz ne tabdeel ker dia tha or unhon ne (Maaz-Allah innahu Rabbi) be-dhiani main mirza sahab per Eisa Nabiullah ki mohr laga di thi. ya shayad Mirza sahab Hazrat Eisa Alehis salam ko bhi nabiyon ki mohr hi samajhte the.

It is also very interesting that as per Mirza Sahab Mohammad Sawaw has been designated as Khatam-un-nabieen in the sense that he has the authority to endorse the future nabieen among His Umma and no future nabi shall be made without his stamp. And according to Mirza sahib, Mirza sahib is the first person who has been stamped by such authority as Mirza sahib himself considers all the claimants of being ‘nabi’ before him as false claimant and liars and imposters.

So how interesting it is that in 1400 years Rasoolallah Sawaw has exercised his authority only once. Even then Allah SWT has designated him as “Khatam-un Nabieeen” whereas several Anbia before him have expressly or impliedly exercised this authority and Allah has designated none of them as Khatam-un Nabieen” like for example

Hazrat Ibrahim A.S was such a great messenger that all the messengers after him were the follower of Millat-e-Ibrahimi, Even Rasolallah Sawaw himself was asked to follow Millate Ibrahim A.S. but Hazrat Ibrahim A.S. was not “Khatamun Nabieen”

Hazrat Yaqoob (Jackob) or Israeel A.S. was also such a great messenger of whom all the descendents were stamped as ‘Bani-Israeel’ but Allah SWT didn’t designated him as “Khatam-un-Nabieen”

Hazrat Moosa A.S. when delivers his sermons (Waaz) it is said that hundreds of Anbia-e-bani Israeel used to sit among the listeners. Naturally all of them were subordinate to him but he was not declared as Khatam-un-nabieen.

Hazrat Iesa alehis salam has sent his ‘Hawariyeen’ to Antaqia and Allah termed them as his rasool but he has not given the title of “Khatam-un-nabieen”

Isnt it interesting?

Sawal ye bhi derpaish he ke jab Mirza sahab 'Ghulam-e-Ahmed' yani Ahmed ke Gulam ya naukar hain to un ki jamaat or un ke manne walon ko usoolan Ahmadi kehne or khelwane ka to koi haq nahin pohanchta kioonkeh un ka zati naam to Ghulam hai or khandani naam 'Mirza' yaani 'Meer Zada'. to usoolan to un ko 'Ghulam' main 'yae-nisbat' barhane ke baad "Ghulami" ke naam se yaad kiya jana chahye ya phir Khandani naam ki nisbat se "Mirzai". Ahmadi to wo kisi tarah bhi nahin qarar paate.

Haan Mirza sahab ke daawe ke mutabiq un ke maanne waale khud ko maseehi kehlwa sakte hain, to kehelwaain.

Iltemase dua

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when you arguing a point you need evidence to justify your reason that is why i suggested to read both sides first before you make ur judgements. ahmadiyyat is not a cult in any way. and i can tell u there are many books that have been transalated into english, that is on the website. i respect your opinion everyone has a right to there own, but please do not disrespect any religious person that is really rude.

and i would just like to ask you that i replyed to this thread in a really polite and friendly way why did you reply to my reply so rudely?

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I am sorry if my post seem rude, that was not my intent. You told me to read both sides and I have, and I just pointed out what mirza said in one. Now it's up to you to comment on it.

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^^slave I would suggest to respect the relgious leader of all faiths. You give respect and you get respect...

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What about the topic of the thread ...... WHAT ABOUT THE PARENTS OF THE THREAD STARTER.

As usual this thread he been derailed to Ahmadiyyat Attacking/Ahmadiyyat Defending.

So i hope the thread starter comes to the fore and tells us what's the situation now.

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I dont get why muslims should be respecting any leaders who insult the Prophet SAW by considering that any tom, dick and harry is eligible for nabuwat.

The Prophet SAW himself said if there was a prophet after me it would be Umar RA. A prophet cannot lie and everything he utters is not his personal opinion but the words of Allah.

Each prophet came delivered his message and awaited Muhammed SAW as Allah SWT said to the prophets when my beloved SAW comes, give up your message and follow what he brings. Now if the mirza was to come as a prophet, He SAW would not have been ignorant of it and would have informed his ummah.

I dont agree that non-muslims, qadiyani's should be killed for their beliefs but they do not deserve any such respect for insulting the status of prophethood.

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A question for the mods:

Why are personal attacks not being condemned on this forum? I see attacks in other threads relating to the same issue. I'm not a frequent poster on this form but I do visit GS quite often. I am aware that personal attacks are not to be tolerated by the mods. People posting negative comments should be warned.

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Is Islam all about the Prophet and his title?
If all Islam is, is the Prophet and nothing else, then how is this any different from Christians deification of Jesus?
Seems like a case of forgetting the message and focusing on the messenger.

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Same reason why you as Muslim expect to be respected by Christians and Jews and even Atheists. This despite the fact that Muslim views on Jesus would offend many Christians.

Learn to think. If you expect to be respected, then you have to grant the same right to others.

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So you expect Prophet to "respect" gods of times, like laat/manat/uzza. Right?
Christians are obviously offended by Islam's view.

Mother is in Pakistan :(...