So you expect Prophet to "respect" gods of times, like laat/manat/uzza. Right?
Christians are obviously offended by Islam's view.
Well, we know the prophet did respect people of other faiths, the Prophet even tolerated those who attacked him when he was in Mecca in the early days, and then later forgave when he returned.
We know that the prophet was far more tolerant then any of the so called Muslims we see today...
If your trying to imply that the prophet did not believe in tolerance and that his actions somehow jusitfy intolerance among todays Muslims, then you need to go back and rexamine you views. Frankly, you should be ashmed for trying to malign the prophet in such a away.
And yes, Christians are offended, but does that give them a right to be intolerant and disrespectful of Muslims in general?
I bet you expect a degree of respect and tolerance from Christians you meet.
Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith
^ O bhai, you are firing in every direction. Try to remain focused.
No one is asking to be intolerant and disrespectful towards non-Muslims. Same goes to mirzai people.
This issue was brought into discussion because someone one asking Muslims to be "respectful" towards mirza qadiani himself. So I was saying that no one should ask Muslims to show "respect" to someone who is a major sinner in our eyes. His status in muslim eyes will be the point of discussion when the issue is his religion.
This is neither unislamic nor immoral.
^ O bhai, you are firing in every direction. Try to remain focused.
No one is asking to be intolerant and disrespectful towards non-Muslims. Same goes to mirzai people.
This issue was brought into discussion because someone one asking Muslims to be "respectful" towards mirza qadiani himself. So I was saying that no one should ask Muslims to show "respect" to someone who is a major sinner in our eyes. His status in muslim eyes will be the point of discussion when the issue is his religion.
This is neither unislamic nor immoral.
On my god, your classic! Honestly man,your logic reminds of the MC Echar painting... Everything seems to be leading someplace, but its doesnt go anywhere. Your completely lost...
You contradict yourself. First you say Muslims should be tolerant and respectful, then you say you dont have to respect them because you dont agree with them...
Try to focus for a moment. You seem to be firing in the wrong direction completely.
Simple logic...
You say, Ahmadies and their beliefs dont deserve your respect...
So by your logic, do Muslims in general deserve respect from anyone who doesnt agree with Islam and the prophet of Islam?
Should for example, a feminist who is offended by seeing women in Burka, have the right to disrespect a women wearing one?
Should Christians who are offended by Muslims have a right to disrespect them?
Remeber, if your beliefs offend anyone, they have a right to disrespect you. Perhaps Muslims shouldnt moan and groan everytime some Muslim woman is spat on, or a group of Muslims are kicked of a plane?!?!
I mean, you expect to be respected, but somehow others dont deserve it?!?!?
As for the Unislamic part, the prophet respected other peoples beliefs, and even tolerated those who insulted him.
Somehow you forget this in your self righteous zealotry.
^ O bhai, you are firing in every direction. Try to remain focused.
No one is asking to be intolerant and disrespectful towards non-Muslims. Same goes to mirzai people.
This issue was brought into discussion because someone one asking Muslims to be "respectful" towards mirza qadiani himself. S*o I was saying that no one should ask Muslims to show "respect" to someone who is a major sinner in our eyes.* His status in muslim eyes will be the point of discussion when the issue is his religion.
This is neither unislamic nor immoral.
:D hilarious. Next time when you're rejected for a job because of ur religion..dont call it discrimination because Christians have the right to disrespect you.
According to Jews.. Jesus AS was a sinner.. does that give them the right to 'disrespect' Christians?
Dont know about ur Islam bro/sis , but certainly the Islam that Ahmadis preaches, its unfortunately both, unislamic and immoral.
Why are personal attacks not being condemned on this forum? I see attacks in other threads relating to the same issue. I'm not a frequent poster on this form but I do visit GS quite often. I am aware that personal attacks are not to be tolerated by the mods. People posting negative comments should be warned.
Exactly...the forum is not being monitored by any Moderator.
you have such childish views, please grow up. *no sane Muslim or even a Christian would say "jeus having chai with Allah".. how dare you!? How dare you speak about Allah and his Prophets like that?! *
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Numb:
"I only showed you your belief, how dare you to bring back a Prophet of House Israel to the House of Ismael? "**
this is what the ahamdiyya cult teaches you?! this filth?! this rubbish?! your cult is no different than all the other cults on the face of the earth.
**Numb:
this is what your Maulvis have taught you. I didn't say anything wrong! What is a 33 year old Jesus doing there? I would like to now. If I was Jesus I would say "how miserable it is to lead the Muslims". I would say to God, put me on the cross, but don't send me to the Muslims.
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may Allah show you the right path soon, you are losing it BIG TIME!
I hope you get the track...I pray for you
STONECOLD,
I know you can't take my knowledge. It's too much for you. I know how you are shakin'. I mean have you answered in a productive way? No, just made mockery like now...trippin' over...yeah, you tripped over my knowledge...
Psyah,
you are back! Hmmm, didn't pass the rationa test! You have no right to discuss Ahmadi related matters from now. I forbid you to do so. FULL STOP! The Ummah also had the belief that the Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) will unite the mankind. How tricky of you to avoid my questions! How tricky of you to twist the Messiah thingy now...The Ahmadies also believe that the Messiah will unite mankind. You can also bring it in understanding that the teachings of Islam will be revived and trough this man and his teachings and the Khilafat mankind will be brought under one Banner. But your ability to think is limited like it seems.
Till yet you have not answered one of questions and your arguments are fruitless. You know it yourself. You won't it admit like the 2 jews who came to the Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) and after meeting said that this man fulfils all the Prophecies of the Thora and Moses (ra)** BUT** "If we accept him, our own people will turn away from or will kill us!"
Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith
slaveofAllah,
Islam is about metaphors, the Holy Qur'an is metaphorical. But what will you know...I have read the book of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. So what if he calls himself Sun and God Moon. Sun and Moon give light! Don't they?
You can only come with c**p! And second thing is, we don't praise Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (saw). We only praise the one and mighty Allah! Get that in your brain...Gain some knowledge please, then come and talk to me...Like in the past every Ahmadi-Thread brought no one together!
Now I Analyze you and your behavior like TheC**p, errrr TheCult.info does!
The face of Ahamdi-Opponents:
- Mostly illetrate, not in position to think
- Using filthy language, swearing, bad names
- Propagating hatred in Media like Aalim Online
- Copy & Pasting sentences not in context with the sayings of MGA
- Taking things too literate
- Never answer questions of Ahmadies, try to take the back door and become succesful (Psyah, rational test not answered (not passed), biblical references not investigated)
:D hilarious. Next time when you're rejected for a job because of ur religion..dont call it discrimination because Christians have the right to disrespect you.
Please read my post again. The issue is not about we being disrespectful to Mirzais in general, but we being "respectful" to Mirza Qadiani himself.
He is a major sinner in our eyes, and so asking us to show him "respect" is asking too much. Especially when the discussion is about his religion. The only "respect" we can show to people like Mirza is not to call him name.s
Prophet showed respect to non-Muslims but he called their gods as false when the discussion was about religion.
We all know that non-Muslims, such as Christians, think of our Prophet. So we should not infuriate when discussion religion with a Christian and when he tells us what he thinks about our Prophet.
Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) released many sinner, the prisoner of wars and you come here and want to teach me about Respect! First learn how your Prophet (saw) gained respect. By forgiving the prisoners. Even though they fought with the will to erase Islam the Prophet Muhammad (saw( forgave them and gave them their freedom!
Shout your mouth. I smell dirt. Don't swear at my beloved Prophet (saw)
Again, firing in every direction and blurting out personal attacks.
Mirza Qadiani was a major sinner in the eyes of Muslims for declaring himself Isa, and this is a fact.
What does Prophet's releasing prisoners of wars and his helping kafirs of Mecca, have to do with what he thought about their religion and their false gods like laat/manaat? Do you think he would "respected" laat/manaat?
I didn't curse or abused Mirzais. I am only saying how Muslims view him. And should not be surprising to anyone.
Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith
This is not a fact, this is c*p. May Allah cause me to die if I'm wrong, but not ONE IOTA of Ahmadiyyat is wrong. *snip.
And who is WE? He is a sinner for declaring himself Isa. He didn't say he is Isa, but that he carries his Mantle. What will you know? snip... don't waste our time here...
Jews were expecting Elijah to come back, but he did not come and Jesus told his disciples that he has returned in John the Baptist. But what will you know. You and your Muslims, those Muslims who are divided in 72 when it comes to their fight, but ONE when they declare one Group as non-muslim. Thanks for making the Prophecy true, you 72 sects!
- Never answer questions of Ahmadies, try to take the back door and become succesful(Psyah, rational test not answered (not passed), biblical references not investigated)
Peace dear Numb
Please tell me again as I have a bad memory what is the rational test? Which biblical references do I need to investigate?
It will be good to learn from you so please bear with me
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He didn't say he is Isa, but that he carries his Mantle.
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Our Mirzai friend is saying above as if someone fabricating stuff about Isa's "mantle" and equating himself to Isa is not a sin!
But so as not to lengthen the discussion, Mirza Qadiani committed a major sin by declaring himself a prophet, when he was not!
Now Mirzais can't twist this fact, because that is the main difference between Mirzais and Lahori group.
So let me know if Prophet "respected" laat and manaat, and if he did then Mirza will have my "respect" just as what Prophet showed to laat/manaat.
And I see that your post is edit for using foul language. Well, that is expected from Mirzais. They ask for RESPECT while they themselves use foul language against others. Very typical.
Mirzais claim to "muhabbat sub se, nafrat kisi se nahin", and see how their "muhabbat" shows ...
Please read my post again. The issue is not about we being disrespectful to Mirzais in general, but we being "respectful" to Mirza Qadiani himself.
He is a major sinner in our eyes, and so asking us to show him "respect" is asking too much. Especially when the discussion is about his religion. The only "respect" we can show to people like Mirza is not to call him name.s
Prophet showed respect to non-Muslims but he called their gods as false when the discussion was about religion.
We all know that non-Muslims, such as Christians, think of our Prophet. So we should not infuriate when discussion religion with a Christian and when he tells us what he thinks about our Prophet.
When people disrespect the Prophet Muhammad, they are disrespecting Muslims in general.
The same logic applies here with Ahmadis.
The Prophet may have said who is or isnt false, but then YOU are not the prophet!
And we atleadt we agree on somthing... You shouldnt call any religous figure names.
I doubt any Ahamdi will agree with you, that they are non Muslim, although many may consider you a Kafir. So basically you cant win in a religious debate. They consider you a non Muslim and you them, fair enough.
So why risk insulting anyone at all.. Let them believe what they like and you believe what you want. Its impossible not to insult people when you speak about others religion.
Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith
Enough! I think inshaAllah the thread starter has got enough replies that would help him in making a decision. Though he might be upset at the way this thread has been hijacked and few arguments have converted into personal attacks. The person who has attacked others personally has been warned. Next time it wont be tolerated.
Disgraceful people like me could have spent their valuable and limited time (gifted by Allah) in preaching to those who are sincerely willing to learn and need help. Such arguments don't have any end but they do lose their track. They have never helped in showing people the right path, otherwise the prophet (saw) would have encouraged / participated more in such arguments.
May Allah (swt) forgive our inappropriate language and bless us with an "Imaan" that is free from any hatred or prejudice.