My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

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True, and then we have prophecies on coming of Isa Ibn-e-Mariam as well. So do not miss that one.

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what happened to the other signs that have remain unfulfilled? Do you Ahmadis/Qadiyanis discard all those hadiths?
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There are numerous hadith some strong some weak some requiring explanation. How are we ever going to totally agree?

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Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

Are you serious? If you want go buy the book, and read it yourself.

The students learn from their teacher, if the teacher was misguided then the students would of been misguided. Stop labelling our teachers as misguided. If you don't want to believe the letter and want to rely on a youtube video, then go ahead.

As for numerous hadith, do not bring up "weak/strong" argument. They are all sahih hadith. A billion strong believe in them to be sahih, so do not blame hadiths for your misguidedness. Isa (alayhi salam) will return insh'Allah.

Now my job was to warn you, do as you wish.

Allah knows best.

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Well he is your leader. Have you read his book? Let us know what he really said.

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As for numerous hadith, do not bring up "weak/strong" argument. They are all sahih hadith. A billion strong believe in them to be sahih, so do not blame hadiths for your misguidedness.
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How many of these billion are literate let alone have any religious knowledge? What good is their blind “belief”?

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So you wanna tell me that the Ummat and the Scholars are alive?

I give you one example, ok!!! and READ that Carefeully...Very Carefully

There was a Indian Scholar who said to to Musleh-Moud lets jump from a high building. The one who survies is ALIVE and we find out the truth :D

Or let's drive with the train from Qadian to Lahore and see who gets pelted with stones and who gets the candy! Hilarious. Out of context!END!FULLSTOP!

Do you know about whom the hadith is talking? Why don't you use your damn brain to understand Islam and this World. Show me ONE Scholar in Pakistan who has done much for the Ummat. If he had done that, Pakistan would not suffer Today. Show me ONE MEETING of all 72 Sects on ONE ROUND TABLE to discuss the matters and become one! They became ONE when it was time to declare some people Non-Muslim, not Human, a cancer which has to be ERASED
from the hell face of this World!

And then some selfnamed defenders of Islam come here and say you are not Muslim, you are not Muslim! Have you answered the Definition about the Seal or why are you asking me all the time! and I'm giving you answers and answers based on what I see, based on my picture of this cursed world.

The Jews ridiculed Jesus who was sent as the Messiah to them. They did not recognize him and brought him to the Cross. No one saw him flying away to the heaven. There was an Christian in our Mosque a few months ago and I had a discussion with him. I asked him did any one see Jesus flying away? He said No. I asked him did they see anything? If yes, where is the link? Where is that written? Didn't come across yet! If that was so we would have really believed in Jesus. The majority of the Christians don't go to their Church, because they've been told BS. Especially in the Middle Age.

If that was really so, People would give Religion more Respect, but people give a damn about that to be true. And this is the only and one Truth. Go out in the World, read the Financial Times. Dajjal is waiting for you...

It's all meant metaphoric. The Qur'an talks about a Age when submarines will rule the 7 seas saying "..and the seas will be set on fire". It also indicates to nuclear submarines. We see the tests of the US Army in Hawai!

"Either you build that nuclear bomb or we take 500.000 mothers their sons and train them to mutant."

The United States of America

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Numb...
good replays..from your side..i always admire you...you have great Knowlage.!!!

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Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

Numb, listen to the lecture by Sheikh Imran Hosein, http://www.paklinks.com/gs/video-gallery/309478-dajjal-anti-christ-sheikh-imran-hosein.html#post6289224

maybe you will better understand the dajjal, anti-Christ and Isa (AS). you disrespect Isa(AS) like there is nothing to it..

*"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): ‘We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.’ *But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. ** Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgement He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."

ps: maybe in your next post you would stop swearing. :slight_smile:

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Peace Numb

Please read Acts 1:9-11

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lol..i guess you dont have anything to ask!

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Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

STONECOLD,

I don't say that my Religion is the TRUTH. I never said that, if I was saying that I would not be a Muslim. Your defintion of the Seal is completely wrong. A Seal was a Signature. A Seal says, this is me XXX and these are my own words I give testimony to!

Yes, Seal means also end of the document, but in this context it was meant that there will be no other law, because Allah has completed the faith which is written in the Qur'an! Don't close the Door of Nabuwaat, as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ONLY considered himself to be the reflection of Muhammad (saw) and all other Prophets. He considered himself to be a Shadow Prophet!

And Shadow Prophets will come - if necessary - considering Sura-Al Nisa, Verse 70:

"And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.

I wrote BILLION TIMES here that if Muhammad Mustafa (saw) was the last Prophet he would carry the title of Khatam-ur-Rasool, but no one is listening here, like everyone is deaf or busy with his earthly necessity!

Plus, why aren't my questions answered?

When Muhammad Mustafa (saw) said that the Meccan Mosque will be the last one on this Earth, did he mean that No Mosques will be build? Strange, that in this context it is accepted that other Mosques were build, but accepting another Prophet after Muhammad (saw) would be out of Islam in the context with Khatam-un-Anbiyya!

@Psyah

be exact, tell me the Sura, the way you wrote the numbers it looks like Sura Al Fatiha 1:9-11!

slaveofAllah:

Here Allah raises Jesus to the Status of a Prophet. The Day before Jesus was to be cruxified Jesus prayed and cried to God that why is he leaving him alone, why is he leaving such a burden on him!

Jesus was half-cruxified and the hadith says he will not be cruxified, Plus

*but it was so made to appear to them *

After Jesus supposedly 'died' on the cross a Roman soldier made a decision not to break the legs of Jesus while on the cross. The episode fulfilled a prophecy and was not without meaning.

The Gospel of John (19:36) tells us that the Scripture was fulfilled (based on Psalms 34:20) a bone of his shall not be broken. The Roman soldier did not bother to break the legs of Jesus to hasten death since he thought he was already dead. Breaking the legs would have been devastating due to the severe trauma of blood loss and consequential hypovolemic shock by breaking one of the larger bones in the body, the tibia, in each leg. The Scriptural attention to not breaking the legs can only be meaningful if the body was alive - it is a meaningless issue for a corpse. A fuller reading of Psalm 34, verses 19 and 20 underscores it:

"The righteous face many troubles but the Lord rescues them from each and every one. For the Lord protects them from harm - not one of their bones will be broken."

Jesus (ra) was raised to the Status of a Prophet so he could follow his real mission and collect the lost tribes of Israel! I don't disrespect the true Jesus (ra), I disrespect your Jesus who will cause bloodshed and will lead Islam to victory with the sword. Islam never gained victory trough the sword and will never!

I don't need to read any lectures, if I want to read about monsters, I read Lord of The Rings, the orks are scary enough to challenge dajjal!

Now, I question, alright?

Step by Step!

Every Prophet has a mission!

What did God think when he sent Jesus (ra) down and lifted him back to heaven? Strange that the Seal of the Prophets has not honor to return back, but Jesus (ra). If I was Muhammad I would not turn back, either. Go Isa (ra) before you kill the swines and break the cross, kill the Taliban, the Al-Kaida, the Hamas, Ahmadineschad, Husni Mubarak, Asif Ali Zardari and all other Muslim Leaders! Leaders? :D

These are the members of the Zionists and they call Ahmadies Zionists! The Rajas and the Maharajas were bought by the British Empire, so they shut their freakin' mouth and let England rob Hindustan and as much as they want. Then they come and tell me that Ahmadies are spies of the British Empire or work for Israel in the Army!

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Peace Numb

You asked a Christian brother if he knew of any account where Jesus (AS) had risen to heaven. You said that he denied this.

I gave you a reference from the Bible:

Acts 1:9-11

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ACTS%201

These three verses contain the information to refute the Christian brother. The Bible does indeed contain the Ascension of Jesus(AS) but the order of events are not of my concern. The fact is they have it in their book and we have the words “taken him up unto Myself” in our Book. We also have a hadith in Muslim which talks of his return which shall be on the shoulders of 2 angels.

This is startlingly in conformance with the Bible on those verses where it says that he will return as he left. Two men dressed in white said this to the people.

Also if you read gospel of Barnabas I think it is verse 221 … it says that four angels took him to heaven.

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When will Jesus AS reappear ??

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Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

So what's the update Dove? Have your parents converted or are you in the process of convincing them to do otherwise?

Timepass - November 2012
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Peace Zero-one

After Mahdi will come Dajjal and then will come Isa (AS).

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Re: My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

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What is this? This reference? What is this? Plus, why are you avoiding my questions?
First of all, in what do you believe, that Jesus (ra) had been taken from the cross, lifted up to the sky or had he been taken off from the cross by his friends and relatives and then he flew away?

Now Answer my Questions instead of ingnoring them! If you can't answer them or don't answer No one in this freaking Forum will either open a Thread about Ahmadies or make a mockery of Ahmadiyyat in Future.

**WHEN MUHAMMAD (SAW) SAID THAT THE MECCAN MOSQUE IS THE LAST MOSQUE IN THIS WORLD, DID HE SAY THIS IS THE LAST MOSQUE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD?

IF HE WAS THE LAST PROPHET, WHY IS HE NOT KHATAM-UR-RASOOL, BUT KHATAM-UN-ANBIYYA!

EVERY PROPHET HAS A MISSION! DID JESUS FULFIL IT? PROPHET DON'T COME DOWN TO BE CRUXIFIED ON THE CROSS AND THEN TO BE LIFTED UP IN THE SKY!

The geographic scope of Jesus' mission was confined to where the Israelites lived. Jesus even said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24).**

The Israelites followed the Torah, and Jesus came to revive the true spirit of the Torah in the hearts of the Israelites and clear any misunderstandings. He was a follower of Moses and did not change or reject the Mosaic law. The New Testament states Jesus came only to fulfill the Law and not abolish it (Matthew 5:17).
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Of the twelve tribes of Israel, only two remained in their homeland. The remaining ten tribes became known as the lost tribes or lost sheep of Israel, since they never returned back home. Most of the tribes settled in Afghanistan, northern India, and as far as China. Therefore, It was thus imperative for Jesus to minister in these areas by travelling there.

Today, there is a good body of evidence showing that certain peoples of Afghanistan and India and neighboring areas are of Israelite heritage. This is based on their own written and oral traditions, physical features, language, folklore, monuments, and customs. Most even call themselves 'bani Israel' or 'children of Israel'.

Now answer this instead of RUNNING away, YOU ALL, not only you, but ALL

Hareem
Zobia
STONECOLD
psyah

you all say you are MUSLIMS, prove it, the duty of a Muslim is to gain Knowledge first and then talk, not only to copy and paste hadiths!
**

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Peace Psyah,
actually i was waiting for some sort of time frame or some event that may or might have marked the coming of Hazrat Isa.

According to various scholars the signs of Dajjals are every where to be seen. Most prominently Dr. Israr

So going by ur analogy the Imam Mahdi must have passed by, no ?

If not then what r the signs to recognize the Dajjal/Anti christ ?

Is there any time frame given in the Holy Qur'an and Ahadeeth for the period of " Imam Mahdi -> Dajjal -> Hazrat Isa AS" ?

If anyone out there could help in this regard please do so. Jazak'Allah

Timepass - November 2012
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No time frame ... all we know is that the three personalities mentioned will be contemporary to one another.

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Peace Numb

I don't believe that he was killed nor do I believe that he was crucified. But I believe that he was raised up to heaven.

Now you have provided the links in the Bible to the first half of the mission of Isa (AS) which was to bend bani Israeel towards the middle path by providing a spiritual message to a broken materialistic nation - the Children of Israel.

The second half of his mission would be the one where he would fulfil his Jewish Messiah prophecies of military leader and king. In the Bible he talks about this time ... read

John 10:16 - He talks about sheep of another fold, which Christians mean as the Gentile, but I understand it to mean the Muslims who he will lead at the time before Judgement. He will be the one who will unify all people and establish Islam in the whole world ... as he mentions in this verse. Please read it. Also there are plenty of hadith that conform to this understanding.

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Peace Psyah

OK No timeframe given ..... hmmmm no Quranic Verse and Hadeeth, now that's doesn't sound very logic.

So what about others questions?

Can some one else help in this regard ?

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^ any timeframe for day of judgement?

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Peace Zero_one

There are plenty of hadith about the coming of Mahdi, Dajjal and Isa (AS) ... and you can work out from them that they will come in that order. We also know they will come when certain signs are on the increase and have occurred some of these are weak some of these are strong.

The clearest sign of the coming of Mahdi is that he will be the most humble person and will be noticed in the mataf of the area around the kabah. This will be during a time of bloodshed in the haram region.

His greatest proof will be that people will try to get him to accept bayah and he will reject it and deny being the Mahdi until they force him to accept.

His name will be Muhammad and he will be son of Abdullah and his kunya will be Abu Abdullah. He will be a Sayid.

After these he will lead military expeditions.

Dajjal will appear in person as a one-eyed man. He will be blind in one eye and partially blind in the other he will be broad shouldered and a son of big breasted Jewess and he will emerge from Khurasan.

Isa (AS) will descend on the shoulders of two angels at the time of prayer either Fajr or Asr I forgot which but his hair will be lank (wet).

Isa(AS) will defeat Dajjal and pray for the removal of Yajuj wa Majuj and he will lead for 40 years and in that time no one shall go hungry and there will be such justice that people will not accept any more charity.

The evil people will be subdued under the rule of Islam and soon a wind will come and take the souls of the good people leaving behind the evil people. In those days there will be much sexual promiscuity.