My parents being attracted by Ahmadiyyah Faith

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**So here we have it again,

The defenders of Islam have gathered again to defend it from it's biggest enemy called Ahmadiyyat. The Ummat finds AGREEMENT in declaring the Ahmadies as Non-Muslims, but doesn't find AGREEMENT within themselves! HILARIOUS isn't it my NEUTRAL SPECTATORS?

Then we have defenders of Islam who are Shia. I don't want to bash on them, but isn't it out of the pale of Islam that they divided themselves from the mainstream of Muslims and said that ONLY a Member of the Holy Prophet's Family can become successors of him? They wanted to have Hazrat Ali (ra) as their Khalif.

The Sunnis stood for a democractic election.

Here, the defenders of Islam

a.k.a.

Nikish
Hareem
Zobia
and Company

speak of the United Ummah!

Very much are you united! Why are you 72 then? Why do you burn down Mosques of Ahmadies? Is there anywhere written in the Holy Qur'an or ANYWHERE did your BELOVED Prophet say "Burn down Mosques"? Did he tell to kill innocent people or people because of their belief? Islam says no compulsory in belief, so why this bloodshed and hatred? When Muhammad Mustafa (saw) said that this Mosque will be the last one on this Earth. Did he mean, No Mosques will be build?

Since 100 + years your forefathers, now you try to erase Ahmadiyyat! This is what you call Islam? Could you stop it from reaching the corners of the earth? Did the Prophecy not become true? If it was not sown by Allah, it would have not survived for even a year after the demise of the Mahdi!

You make me so sick, your behaviour and your tongues are so disgusting and this is truly the tongue of a devil, and then you speak of your clean Islam and how clean you are! Cleanliness is half part of faith! This SHAHID KAMAL, HAREEM, YOUR IDOL, does he not use abusive language? Does he have any faith? Any belief?

If Ahamdies dishonored you and your Holy Prophet (saw) who really seemed to be a pervert when I watch your behaviour and his teachings you adopted! Why didn't you people kill all the Ahmadies! Why didn't Pakistan do what Hitler did to more than 500,000 Jews? It was a Minority! Didn't Zia-ul-Haq say

"Ahmadiyyat is a cancer which has to be erased from the face of this Earth"?

What happened to him? He had been crushed by Allah, Go people bury his tooth!

Has anyone read here ANY book WRITTEN by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (saw) and not by some pervert mullah who presented you trash by cutting & pasting to his desire? I have read it all, I read Tadkirah and I see no objection against Ahmadiyyat!

Has anyone read the Situation of the 19 th century or say History of the last 1000 year? The Moors & Spain, the Medieval times, the colony times of England, the 19th Century, the abuse of Might & Religion by the Christian Popes! Do you know that the Christian Missionaries raised 300!! objections against Muhammad Mustafa (saw) and called him a pervert? (astagfirullah). Instead of defending Islam like you TODAY DO! the mainstream of Muslims coverted to Christianity.

Giving Bad names, calling someone Kafir is your Faith? Then have it!

Threadstarter, do Isthikhara and learn more about Islam, History and Philosophy. Please also study the other Books of Allah, the Bible, the Thora and specially the Qur'an. All is written there! In the Qur'an there is Surat which says:

"And they say, we only want peace, but nay, they are the true agitator"

Threadstarter,

In calling ourselves Muslim we bring pain over the true Muslims and they can't sleep in Peace as Shahid Kamal shows and tells you. Pakistan has truly gained peace by persecuting Ahmadi-Muslims since 60-70 years. Thank You Very Much!

Hareem, shall I show your parents your disgusting Idol? Oh you have none, they must be glad they are in the heaven and don't have to see such a disgusting Muslim and his disgusting belief!

Edit:

I'm member of thecult.info

For your info my nick is 'Ajnabi'...This page is a complete joke and this guy with his blog and his poor knowledge, I cannot take him serious for real. There we have discussion led over the mustache, birth, death with mathematical figures. Then we have jokers there who wanted to meet Hazoor...

It starts like that

"*I'm an ordinary Muslim from Arab and want to meet you. I believe your belief is non-Islamic and you are Kafir"...

*This is truly a very ordinary Muslim, because this is a attribute of a ordinary Muslim to be abusive

Threadstarter,

again for your sake, go with your parents to the Scholars and ask your heart. Your parents are not attracted because they are dumb or they have been trapped or whatever. Do what your heart says and read more about History, especially the Hindustani in connection with the British Empire, the situation of the Muslims at that time and about Pakistan...

Follow them, they are your parents. Pray for them, pray for yourself. Let them do what they desire. You owe them alot, don't throw them in old homes when they become Ahmadies...

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Well brother, what wrong is in my post? I simply asked a question which has not yet been answered by anyone. I couldnt resist asking it here when I saw a discussion about Ahmadiya faith in progress here. Still U can see there is no answer to my question. I wonder why? For ur or anyone else's convinience I repeat it again.

Do Quadiyanis go for Haj? Are they allowed by Saudi govt to perform haj? Pl answer anyone.

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^

Who are the Saudis to give and take the rights of someone and to give them whom they want?

Here is a speech from your beloved Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw):

***The Prophet Muhammad ( صلی الله عليہ وسل م ) stood before a large gathering of Muslims and
delivered an address at the time of his final pilgrimage. It is well known in history as the fare-well address of the Prophet. In the course of this address he said:

“O men, lend me an attentive ear. For I know not whether I will stand before you again in this valley and address you as I address you now. Your lives and your possessions have been made immune by God to attacks by one another until the Day of Judgment.

O men, you still have in your possession some prisoners of war. I advise you, therefore, to feed them and to clothe them in the same way and style as you feed and clothe yourselves. If they do anything wrong which you are unable to forgive, then pass them on to someone else. They are part of God’s creation. To give them pain or trouble can never be right. O men, what I say to you, you must hear and remember. All Muslims are as brethren to one another.

All of you are equal. All men, whatever nation or tribe they may belong to, and whatever station in life they may hold, are equal. Allah has made you brethren one to another, so benot divided.

An Arab has no preference over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab over an Arab; nor is a white one to be preferred to a dark one, nor a dark one to a white one.”

While he was saying this the Prophet Muhammad ( صلی الله عليہ وسل م ) raised his hands and joined the fingers of the one hand with the fingers of the other and then said:

“Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to
one another. No one has any right, any superiority to claim over another. You
are as brothers. Do you know what month this is? What territory we are in?
What day of the year it is today?”

The Muslims said in reply, they knew it was the sacred month, the sacred land and the day of the Hajj. Then the Prophet Muhammad ( صلی الله عليہ وسل م ) said:
“Even as this month is sacred, this land inviolate, and this day holy, so has God made the lives, property and honor of every man sacred. To take any man’s life or his property, or attack his honor, is as unjust and wrong as to violate the sacredness of this day, this month and this territory. What I command you today is not meant only for today. It is meant for all time.

You are expected to remember it and to act upon it until you leave this world and go to***

Now come again and make a mockery of Ahmadiyyat...

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I wonder about the Islam of Shahid Kamal, Sheikh Ahmad, Hareem, Nikish, Zobia & Company. The way cult.info works and presents itself really fulfill all duties laid upon us by the Holy Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw)...Thank You

This is the speech of the Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) I follow and you should follow. We have a slight, but heavily rational difference, though. There will be no Prophet (saw) who will cause bloodshed by killing the swine and breaking the cross. Neither did Moses (ra), Isa (ra), Muhammad (saw) use violence to spread their faith nor was that a deed of the past Prophets. This is the thinking which made the Ulema of the Medieval Times think that one law of the Qu'ran replaces or annuls the other law. Are you reading this, how I line for line show you the truth which seems to be hidden from you! You overstain yourself...Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said that the Qur'anic laws cannot be annuled or replaces. They have validation till judgement day!

Don't you get it in your so EDUCATED BRAIN that you scare Non-Muslims with your scary fantasy of such a Prophet? Do you think you can stop Ahmadiyyat, do you think you can stop this seed sown by Allah?
Do you really think that? You will not, you are just wasting your power and your precious time. What has Pakistan gained except the Independence? Nothing. We are still 3rd World Country. Pakistan was blessed with a great Foreign Minister who performed as the President of the UN, he was also the Judge of the International Law Court in Hague, NL.

  • Born on February 6, 1893, in Sialkot.
  • Acquired primary education at the American Mission School, Sialkot.
  • Saw the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement on September 3, 1904 in Lahore. (since that day Sir Zafarullah Khan considered himself to be an Ahmadi).
  • Visited Qadian for the first time in September, 1905.
  • Personally offered allegiance to the Promised Messiah on September 16, 1907.
  • Graduated from the Government College, Lahore, in 1911.
  • Went to England in August, 1911 and remained there uptil November, 1914. During this period he studied at Kings' College, London, and was called to the Bar having studied at Lincoln’s Inn. During this period Chaudhry Sahib also had the occasion to visit various places in England, Switzerland and Germany, where he zealously propagated articles of his faith.
  • Practised as a lawyer in Sialkot, during the period January 1915 to July 1916.
  • In March 1915, lectured before the Jama’at in Delhi on the topic "The need for religion".
  • Practised in Lahore during the period August 1916 to 1935.
  • Pleaded the case of the Jamaat of Monghir in the Bihar High Court, successfully in December, 1916.
  • Remained the Amir of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat Lahore during the period 1919 to 1935.
  • Served as a lecturer in the Law College, Lahore, during the period 1919 to 1924.
  • Delivered a laudatory Address before the Viceroy of India, on behalf of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat, in June 1921.
  • Presented the Book "Tuhfa Shehzada Wales" (A Gift for the Prince of Wales) to H.R.H the Prince of Wales, in February 1922.
  • In December 1923, delivered a lecture for the first time in the Annual Convention of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement on the topic "The Onslaught of the Movement on Christianity and its Effects".
  • Read an exhaustive paper at the Conference of Religions held in the Habibiya Hall, Lahore, in January 1924.
  • Served as Secretary to Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II, the second successor of the Promised Messiah (as) at the occasion of Shura (Advisory Council) in 1924. (Sir Zafarullah Khan had the privilege of serving in this capacity seventeen times).
  • Was member of the delegation which represented the Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement at the All Parties Conference held in 1924.
  • Read the paper of Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II at the Conference of the World’s Religions held in Wembley Hall, London, in 1924 (Sir Zafarullah Khan also acted as Secretary to Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II during his first tour to Europe).
  • Was elected a member of the Punjab Legislative Council in 1926.
  • On September 2, 1926, the father of Sir Muhammad Zafarullah Khan, Ch. Nasrullah Khan who was a companion of the Promised Messiah, breathed his last.
  • In 1927, acted successfully as representative counsel for the Muslims of the Punjab in the contempt of court case against the ‘Muslim Outlook’.
  • Presided at the Delhi Meeting of the All India Muslim League in 1931 and advocated the cause of the Indian Muslims through his presidential address.
  • Participated in the Round Table Conferences held in the years 1930, 1931, and 1932.
  • Visited Chicago for the first time and participated in the World Faith Congress held in the year 1933.
  • Presented a Complimentary Memorandum to the Viceroy of India (Earl of Wellingdon) on behalf of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at, in March 1934.
  • Remained a member of the Executive Council of the Viceroy of India, during the years 1935 to 1941.
  • Delivered a lecture on the topic 'The Message of Ahmadiyyat', in the year 1935.
  • Became the Minister of Railways in May, 1935.
  • On May 16, 1938, the mother of Sir Zafarullah Khan died.
  • Wrote a book 'Meri Walda' (My Mother) in the year 1938.
  • At the initiation of Sir Zafarullah Khan the Jubilee of the Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II was organised in the year 1939.
  • In 1939, represented India in the League of Nations.
  • In 1941, delivered a speech on the topic "Foundation for a New World" which was broadcasted on All India Radio.
  • Was appointed Judge of the Federal Court of India in September 1941, which post he held until June 1947.
  • Was appointed the Agent General of India in China in the year 1942.
  • Laid the foundation stone of a place of worship in Lagos in March 1943.
  • In 1944, at the instance of Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II, dedicated his entire property for the cause of Ahmadiyyat.
  • Again in 1944, at the instance of Hazrat Kahlifatul Masih II, joined in the noble work of translation of the Holy Quran into various languages.
  • In 1945, represented India as the Indian Government's nominee in the Commonwealth Relations Conference, where courageously spoke for the cause of India’s freedom.
  • At the request of the Quaid-e-Azam, represented the Muslim League in July 1947 before Radcliffe Boundary Commission and presented the case of the Muslims in highly commendable manner.
  • Was the Advisor on Constitutional and Legal Affairs to H.H. the Nawab of Bhopal, from June to December 1947.
  • In December 1947, represented Pakistan in United Nations' General Assembly as the head of the Pakistan delegation and advocated the stand of the Muslim world on the Palestinian issue.
  • Was appointed by the Quaid-e-Azam as Pakistan's (first) Foreign Minister which post he held from December 25, 1947 till 1954.
  • During 1948 to 1954, represented Pakistan at the Security Council (UN) and admirably advocated the case of liberation of the occupied Kashmir, Libya, North Ireland, Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco, and Indonesia.
  • Presented to the US president the second edition of the English Translation of the Holy Quran, in January 1951.
  • Met with a major railway accident at Jhimper, in January 1953, from which he was miraculously saved from even the slightest injury.
  • Represented Pakistan at the CENTO Conference held in Manila, in September 1954.
  • In 1954, became Judge of the International Court of Justice, The Hague, which post he held till 1961.
  • Laid the foundation of a place of worship in the Hague, in June 1955.
  • From July to September 1955, accompanied Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II, during his second trip to Europe and served his as his interpreter.
  • Inaugurated a place of worship in Hamburg, in March 1957.
  • In March, 1958, performed Umra and visited the shrine of the Holy Prophet of Islam, Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in Medina to pay homage; also met Sultan Abdul Aziz Ibne Saud and stayed in the royal palace as the Sultan's personal guest.
  • Became the Vice President of the International Court of Justice, the Hague, in the year 1958, which post he held till 1961.
  • In 1958, had a place of worship constructed in Daska, Sialkot and got the translation of the Tafsir-Saghir done of which all costs were borne by him.
  • In December 1958, inaugurated a Convention in Rabwah, in which speeches in 52 languages were delivered.
  • In 1960, at the request of an organisation of the US, wrote a book called: "Islam - its Meaning for Modern Man".
  • From 1961 to 1964, remained Pakistan’s Permanent Representative at the UN.
  • In 1962, met President Kennedy and discussed the Kashmir issue with him.
  • From 1962 to 1963, was President of the UN General Assembly.
  • In 1963, inaugurated a place of worship in Zurich.
  • In 1963, visited USSR and met its leaders as well as some notable Russian Muslims.
  • In November 1965, visited the Fiji Islan and delivered a lecture.
  • Performed Hajj in the year 1967.
  • Translated the Holy Quran in English in the year 1970.
  • In 1970, was elected President of the International Court of Justice, The Hague, which post he held uptil 1973.
  • Stayed in England during the period 1973 to 1983.
  • Came back to Pakistan in 1983 till his death in Lahore, on September 1, 1985, after a protracted illness.

Then we have a great Scientist, a Noble Prize Winner. Pakistan, blessed by Allah with a great achievment. Dr. Abdus Salam the first Muslim Noble Prize Winner, Pakistan the first Muslim Noble Prize Winning Country. But he was destined to be rejected, he was an Ahmadi. This is the reason.

"And gain knowlege, even if you have to travel to China"

Wow, unbelievable how 2 Brethren, not only 2 but millions have been treated. Very Islamic.

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Why cant the Qadiani's (muslims should refuse to call them Ahmadi's as this was the name of the Last Prophet Muhammed SAW) accept that we do not accept them as muslims because they deny the finalty of Prophet Muhammed SAW.

We know you dont accept us as muslims like someone in a previous point has already pointed out....lets just leave it at that. Just dont go around calling yourself muslims as you do not believe in what believe!!!

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*Posted by Numb:Who are the Saudis to give and take the rights of someone and to give them whom they want? *

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My dear brother, why cant U give me a straight forward answer? Whether Ahmadis are given visa to perform Haj or not? Its simple, yes or no.

~~~Missing Someone~~~
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^^ They are not given those rights as they not considered muslims and rightly so!!!

Even then didnt your promised Messiah deem Qadian to be better than Mecca anyway?

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Anyone who believes that there could be a prophet after Hazoor (SAW) is not a muslim. Period.

At the same time, we should respect the faith and opinion of others. Prosecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan was not a very wise thing to do.

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One sane reply in whole discussion, Bravo !

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we don't give a crap what you or mullahs think of us as long as you don't force us to adopt your beliefs about us. you don't consider us muslims fine... just don't expect us to consider ourselves non-muslim because you say so...

the problem with most muslims is exactly this and thats why they are kicked around all over the world... the mullahs that you guys are so fond of have completly destroyed the islam of the Holy Prophet(saw)

there is no such thing as live and let live among muslims in general... there are petty disputes all over

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Shouldn’t' you be asking the Saudi Govt who they allow and who they don’t?

However Saudi Govt does allow Americans in there and also allows Americans to attack neighbouring Muslim countries using Saudi territory and to kill 100,000s of Muslims including Shias and Sunnis. How do you feel about Saudi Govt now?

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Listen to Maulana Qasim Nanutwi founder of Darulaloom Deoband and tell me if you consider him Muslim as he has same beliefs as Ahmadis; uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04

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So you must think Maulana Qasim Nanutwi founder of Darulaloom Deoband is non Muslim; uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04 . Correct?

Mairay Naina Sawan Bhaadon!
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Which part do you not agree?

If you don't mind, which part of the world you and parents live in?

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for a link to work in these forums you have to put it in the following format

[yt] here you put the part of the youtube link after the equal sign which in this case would be 0sw6Qyqjh04 /yt]

again [yt]link /yt]
without the space before the forward slash

i’m gonna fix your link in my post

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For all the beliefs Ahmadi Muslims hold , go to : Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website or Ahmadiyya - Invitation Towards Allah (God)

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I do not know that guy. And I do not have the knowledge, wisdom or motivation to declare other people muslim or non-muslims. I only said that believing our dear Prophet Muhammad (SAW) to be the last one is a central belief in Islam.

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^^ Peace chacha_Ghalib

There are number of issues with the video that I would like to raise they may be just to close out some ambiguities and nothing else.

The first part that was read out seemed like a rhetorical statement, that first he asked the question and then he was about to answer it. The answer was not given because the context was broken in the middle of what he wrote.

The second part didn't make it clear whether it was his own opinion or not. The author did not write that it was his opinion that so and so ... rather he could have been quoting someone else.

Even if he did say "However, if a prophet were to come after Muhammad(SAW) then there would be no difference to the status of "Khatimi-e-Muhammadi" What does the "however" lead from the context is taken away so we cannot get the full message.

The author could have been expounding lots of meanings for the term 'khatimi-e-Muhammadi' ... which is not the same as 'khatimi-Nabeeyeen' he could be talking about a different angle which is not explored in the small clip.

Besides I too have not heard of this 'alim

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I only said that believing our dear Prophet Muhammad (SAW) to be the last one is a central belief in Islam.
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You say you don't know founder of Darulaloom Deoband and you do not have knowledge, wisdom, then how can you claim the above? What is your source for this claim? I have presented a major scholar (highly revered by Deobandis) who disagrees with this view. Now either he is a Muslim or you are, according to your criteria, unless we agree there can be differing views on this issue as well, like many other issues in Islam.

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psyah, its pretty clear what he said. There isn't just one but three references.

Isn't that the problem? :)

Probably worth knowing one's own side before declaring others kafir? :)

Timepass - November 2012