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^ PCG, that aint always the case... there are a lot of working women on this forum, and i am sure we did not stick our boobs out to get jobs..
we all need to look presentable, both genders do, when they go to an interview.. and it certainly does not mean u have to caked in make up or be wearing skin tight clothes...
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^ Of course not. And if you do, you probably don't need to be working at such a sleezy place anyway.
But I see a lot of very intelligent obese girls getting rejected. I see lots of thin wiry girls who look stressed, not because they are, but because they have natural dark circles under their eyes or bad skin.
My old roommate had a very bad acne problem, and she was going thru what ends to get rid of the pimples. She never could. She claims that a lot of people judged her because of it.
shrugs
When I used to go for interview trainings, they used to stress a lot on exactly what to wear, and how to smell, and how to do your hair, and your make-up...and I used to think, "Am I going for a modeling job?"
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I dunno PCG, it really depends... u should see some of the girls working in retail outlets here.. They're not size 6's or 8's (aussie small sizes) but infact are larger and look absolutely stunning...
one of my friends whose a bit larger than most of us, she's Mashallah doing sooo well.. only because she presents herself well. And i dont mean she shows skin.. but she believes in herself and confident enuff that she'll get hired cus of her capabilities, not looks...
neways.. im going off on the wrong track... i just wanted to point out that not every employers the same... if you dont respect urself, i doubt someone else is going to..
during uni days when we were appliny for industry work, i did see a lot of girls wearing short skirts reaching their butts to interviews... they had no respect for themselves, if they did, they'd have known its not their bodies thats gonna get them the jobs but their intelligence.. khair, to each their own
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Have u seen an ugly chic with no make-up, bad skin spots/pimples, oily hair, crumpled clothing, bad designed clothing etc ever "present herself well"?
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^ why are u calling someone ugly, thats the question...
and yes, I have seen girls transform.. and guys
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transform?
No no. I mean have u seen a girl referred to as "presenting herself well" if she walks into an interview with those qualities?
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I can think of many different ways of answering the question as to why women wear burqas. But to imply they should or do, because they are ugly or lazy, is really 
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but, how is she presenting herself well if she’s going in with crumpled clothes?
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PCG, i disagree. perhaps thats the case in america lekin i have never seen ppl being discriminated because of his/ her size in toronto. there are big ladies in retail to corporate offices.
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Why should crumpled clothing matter? You want the person to do the job right, or you want the person who talks a lot of BS while managing to sound and look good.
Do you want someone that makes you as a customer "feel good"? Or do you want someone who knows what they are selling?
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ofcourse it matters PCG.
looking presentable means someone is hygenic and shows they take care in the way they dress. If someone presents themselves in a manner that says “i dont care how i look”.. what sort of imagine are they projecting to an interested employer or to clients?
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There are lots of people who do a damn good job at what they do, and they're so busy doing it, that they don't have time to do their hair or put on make-up.
Besides, guys dont have to spend that much time doing themselves up for work. So why should women be expected to?
I personally have no problem coming in with clean clothes, and hair tied up in a pony tail and no make-up on to work. I look the same when I go to class. But then I have a student-type job, so no one cares. Nonetheless, I know that if I have to make a presentation or have a meeting or anything, I need to dress properly, otherwise even from my own personal experience, I wont be taken as seriously as I would if I wore a business-type suit and went all professional with stylized hair and proper make-up.
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Actually Hijab includes one’s character/personality. To be modest is to not only dress modestly, but to act modestly. 
I’ve gone through this thread and have decided that it’s not worth it argue with the ignorant…
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actually depends.. my bro has always taken more time in looking good and professional.. even during primary school days and high school.. even at home he always made sure he looked good.. i know quite a few other males who are the same.. (heaps here on GS too)
well see, there u go…
and student jobs are different.. if ur not going to be interacting with clients/customers then it doesnt really matter.. but if working in an environment where ur trying to sell something (services or products) u do have to look presentable.. in ur words.. to be taken seriously..
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I dont c wat the big deal is. You don't have time to brush ur hair or wash ur face or iron ur clothes??
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who me?
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Well, whoever's in that predicament? Nobody's telling you to wear skintight stuff, or loads of makeup, but if you feel confident in it go ahead. If you also feel comfortable wearing no makeup, glasses, and modest clothing then that shouldn't stop someone from getting a job. But there are some minimum standards to be met, like i dunno, combing ur hair, clean, pressed clothing etc.
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There is no one saying women should take off the burqas. There should also be no one saying they should put it on. The whole point was what it symbolizes? How this whole thing started out and transformed into a strict code of moral behaviour ordained by society and sanctioned by state. That I think is a sign of oppression.
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Looking neat is one thing, but if you are promoted or offered a job over how attractive you appear than thats soemthing else entirely. Talk to some working and competetive women , i just watched a show other day about how air hostess are sacked after they hit a certain age, because they dont appear as fetching even though they are fully capable of keeping the job . That happened to be a company policy, and twistedly enough the company lawyer defending this approach was a woman too! As if keeping a money hungry women as a lawyer will soften their image as sexists.
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I am funny sometimes without meaning to be, money hungry ? and then lawyer? Tautology!