Re: My official stance on burqas
You kindly skipped the second part of my comment where I made it obvious that nudity does not seem to be an issue in an “Islamic society.”
Modesty and covering up properly is not a man made law .
Excuse us if we have an issue with every jerk of the street ogling our bodies. Get yer free show from the others 
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I had no idea. what did I look like? what was I wearing? 
And why on earth is saudia arabia brought into every discussion? Ignorant fools.
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^^ but you agree with my statement?
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In other words you admit that you dont stand a chance to voice your opinion in an Islamic society.
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^
Agree? When hell freezes over. Sure why not?
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heres a plug for ray lamontagne. I am addicted to his music.
listen to chuunes and make merry. no one cares what you peopel think anyway.
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Roman, aik baat kahooN...mard burqay ki baat keraiN tau kuch zaib nahee kerta
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its the matter of having CHOICE. middle east aside, in pakistan women have a choice of wearing a burqa or walking around in jeans. no one cares anymore and so is the case in indonesia and malaysia.
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Suroor what part of India are you talking about? In Pakistan women cannot run in a race, you think they can walk around in Jeans? May be inside their houses, but not in most parts of Pakistan.
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^ i am talking about pakistan. in khi in particular, if u go to clifton, defense or gulshan area, never mind those posh areas.. i've seen girls wearing jeans in korangi/ drigroad/landhi area as well.
and if u go the big malls, restaurants etc women are wearing t shirt (all sizes) and jeans or skirts (again all sizes).
plus women driving in karachi is so common now. my own female cousins/ aunts drive everywhere without anyone accompanying them any time of the day or night with or without abayas.
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when will the damn men get over the hijab issue? women who wear hijabs are lectureres, doctors, directors, teachers etc. U want to tackle opression going on about the scarf aint gonna do it - talk about equal pay, talk about literacy and education, talk about violence against women and then do something about it.
Have u taken a look at any music video- men dressed to the hilt women near naked and i am talking any country here - go and give an official stance on that.
Men need to get over the whole women's clothing obsession.
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And the other thing that really peeves me is the assumption, the sexist racist attitude that we muslim women do not have a mind of our own, that we could not possibly arrive at an independent decision on what we should wear, we r just passive victims of the orders of our men.
Well i say stick ur oppression, supression, repression theory where the sun dont shine.
Now i feel better.
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Amen
i think this is what Afia bhaji was trying to point out too. Another example of men not listening
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I designed your wedding dress… a really big blue lengha 
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Yes, Saudi Arabian women are in fact into S & M and they like to go out without burqa to get their ticks by sticks.
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why do people (ignorant men especially) have a problem with the burqa? in what way does it effect you? please tell?
dont you think that the women who are dressed but are naked anyway are oppressed? society dictates (and its the men who design their clothes) to these “free” women how they should dress and if they dress in that way they are sexy, cool, free, accepted blah blah blah.
i find that the hijab (scarf and jilbab) liberates me. before i began to wear it i was constantly into the whole fashion scene, obsessed with what was the ‘in’ wear during college so that i could look the part, fit in, feel cool, sexy and astagffirullah, so guys would look at me and think i was pretty (how shameful, May Allah forgive me). it came to a point where i was just absoloutely sick of it, i was sick of the way everyone was so into themselves, thats what life was about, even muslims were facing this identity crisis, in trying to fit in with the western society but back at home they were just your average ‘paki’, note paki not muslim.
thats when i found my roots- Islam. Alhamdolillah. why do we born muslims not realise that we have this beautiful way of life? why do we only adopt certain habits during ramadan? its quite sad, we dont know what we have and we’re always running to the other side coz we think life is so much better that way but believe me, this dunya is nothing, we should be striving for the akhirah. Prophet Esa alayhis salam said
" this world is a bridge so pass over it to the next but do not try to build on it’
ive just realised my post is way off topic, but anyway, the hijab in no way is a symbol of opression. dont assume, why not ask a muslim woman before you make such silly assumptions. i feel great when i step out and know that no man (pervert) is going to glance my way, and when i do dress up for my hubby or when going to an all girls gathering it feels good and you feel special
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This is another assbackward argument. What does women in position of power have to do with social or religious customs? Burka is forced on girls from a young age. What is mmore pissy is when Burkees think that non-bukees are lesser people.
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Well that’s just wrong, and a whole new debate.
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Really? Blue is my fav colour! Not so sure about the wedding part, but thats rather cute.
Devoted2Allah and Serendipiti nice to see you two back!
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some of the posts in this thread are just insulting... moreso from those who wear the hijab..
is any woman less of a muslim if she's not wearing the hijab or is she not modest enuff? geez... whose doing the judging here?
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Pinstripe - there is a difference between forcing one to wear a burqa or a hijab, and CHOOSING to wear a burqa or a hijab.
I know, the idea that a woman would wear a burqa out of her own will is somewhat strange. Especially coming from a culture where looks mean a lot.
But that's the thing. Pinstripe, you DONT understand how aggravating it can be to go out there and look for a job, internship, college seat, etc and know that all your hard work and what you stand for can all go down the drain if you don't look presentable.
And for women, what does presentable mean? She has to wear make-up, because God-forbid someone see a woman's face for what it really is. She has to wear a dress or suit that accentuates her figure - that's actually the nice way of putting it. Literally, she has to make sure her boobs stick out firmly and that her ass is nice and round, in a tasteful sense. She needs to make sure that she is wearing the right colors. She has to make sure her hair is done excellently.
Being in these positions quite often I can tell you that its aggravating to get my hair done right - because I can't do it, and I end up taking it to a salon and it costs me a lot.
I hate having to go buy suits, because again - those cost me a lot.
I hate having to buy clothes that accentuate my figure, because my boobs are tiny.
I would HATE the idea if someone got a position over me because their bust size is bigger. Or because of some physical feature.
And both you and I know HOW MUCH looks matter in the States when it comes to jobs, admissions, etc. I mean, I can understand the company wants someone who is presentable, but demanding someone with the right kind of fashion sense and looks is a bit superficial. And like I said, I've seen many instances of where the ugly chic got dumped and the pretty one got the job, etc even when the pretty one didn't have as good qualifications.
One girl who wears a burqa - she's very colorful about them - I think she even has one that says Calvin Klein ( :o ) - and she says its because she doesn't want the world judging her by her features, but by her ability. She's actually really pretty.
And that brings another case - the girl who people think is a blonde in a sense - the one that's really pretty but one might think she's an airhead. Such a girl might also decide to wear it, because again, she doesn't want to be judged by her looks.
So no, even when girls say they chose to do it, it really can mean that they WANT to do it independent of any cultural brainwash. They might have legit reasons for it.
And given how much our society is based on looks-looks-looks, I somehow don't really blame them.