It’s a sign of repression. A symbol of suppression. No woman in a society should have to wear it to feel safegaurded. There is something very fundamentally wrong with the idea to wrap up the victim instead of the offender on the name of ‘precaustion’.
Any society calling it a tradition and way of life is filled with haijaRay men worse than haijaRay mules who cannot institute respect and order for women in the society.
My official stance on Roman's official stance
My official stance is i have none because when i read the title i feel whacking his head. Now this begs the question is my official stance more official than his, or rather it doesn't matter because neither are truly official and just a bunch of hogwash?
Re: My official stance on burqas
Are you talking about the tent-like burqas or any sort of Islamic dress worn by women, such as a scarf?
Either way, I don't know why people have such a problem when women feel it is right and wish to cover up. They're practising a basic human right. Leave women be, and how they choose to dress.
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Romeo, While I respect your official stances, but please show some respect to HaijaRas. Being worse than them means what? Are you insinuating that they are not good enough to be considered humans?
Shame on you. You are an ashole.
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Acha. What are the precise reasons that made them exercise their basic human rights? Is that innovative sense of fashion or they in fact like the heat inside?
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Another thread somewhere else is related to this issue...One of the things that I have found really strange and disturbing is idea of Mehram and non-mehram in Pakistan..kids' brains are being fed on who is mehram and non-mehram to them (along with haram halal etc)...if you are a woman then at the end of this mehram list you have your father, brother and son and if you are married your husband....almost everyone else is na-mehram and waiting on the street corner to nail you down...it is this kind of paranoia that is basis of the "need to protect" oneself all the time.
I remember from 20 years ago, you could nto walk in a bazaar in Indian Punjab with you sister or mother without seeing men looking at them like crazy wolves...my mamoo jaan had fight right in the bazar one time when he ended up punching this guy on his facefor doing it when he was in bazaar with his family. Things have changed a lot in this respect in the last 20 years. my last visit I noticed that there are lot more women in the streets on scooters, bicycles..with more fashionable clothing and fewer men looking at them with eyes wide open like they have never seen a woman before.
solution is mroe women in the everyday life...teachers, traffic cops, clerks on stores etc...solution is to come out and not hide in.
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Precise reasons? Are you serious. These aren't man-made laws. The Quraan prescribes for women to cover their hair and wear an outer garb. Most of the women that I know that wear Hijaab do it because they know its commanded by Allah and not because some authoratitive male figure is forcing them to do it.
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Ok, so let me get this straight, Allah prescribed this whole thing out of the blue for women to cover head and outer garb just 'cause he thought they'd look cool?
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Roman ...to u it might seem as a sign of repression or whatever .....
but try to respect other people's view....
to be honest ...i wear burqa .......n i was n am still given a choice i can throw it away any minute i want .....but i'm doing what i want to do .....!!!
i don't understand whats the problem with you lot .....you are all for freedom of choice ...etc. etc. but when it comes to this issue you ppl start coming up with disrespectful comments ....!!!
i'm entitled to do what i feel like .....n i don't demand you to agree with me ....but try to respect !!!
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He didn't tell them to strut around in their birthday suits either, and even if they did, you wouldn't be complaining half as much as you are about them wearing a hijaab.
Women are meant to dress modestly and basically not attract the opposite sex or make a spectacle of themselves in public. They can dress however they want to in front of their husbands and decrease their hijaab in front of family men and mehrams.
You have to look at the bigger picture really. Wearing the Hijaab is a very small aspect of the practise of Islam, its supposed to be something very normal. The only reason it appears abnormal is because western standards pervade everything else.
What is a Hijaab? Its merely a piece of cloth. Her face still shows...what is the masala in that?
To the hijaabis - forgive me if I dont present the argument adequately!
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Romeo’s going to get it from all the ladies now. That’s like his dreams come true.
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Afia, I don't have a problem anyone wearing burqa if she says she likes the heat inside. For you and someone like yourself the whole burqa thing may just be a 'habit' but habit is not what I'm talking about. That's why I used the word 'sign' and 'symbol'. When the very first woman wore burqa centuries ago she did not wear it because she could just throw it away out of her will. Since then it has only been institutionalized deeper into primitive way of thinking and people never really stopped themselves and asked WHY? Afterall, it's to safegaurd, isn't it?
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Catty, you are doing it adequately. (and no I am not a hijabi :-p )
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And Romeo, not just that, some of these women who think who are on the forefront are women’s right and what not, will not wear a Burka even if their lives depended on it. They only want it for other deprived women. The Saudi women are kept worse than a goat, on top of a black Abbaya, they also have to wear a leather eye-mask. Can you believe that? It’s so degrading and downright appalling that stuff like this happens today.
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That's true. Today it's the burqa, tomorrow it's something really silly like 'women can't drive cars'. That's Islamic modesty at its best.
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so are you saying you know every single burqa wearing woman's reason behind it ...???
n no i'm not wearing it out of habbit ...n none of the girls in my family were forced or asked to wrap themselves up .....n i know very clearly why i'm doing this .....so please don't try waste your energies making stances on the way how someone carries him/herself in public......i think you are old enough to understand that ....!!
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Afia, did I say 'sign'/'symbol'? Yes I did. What does that mean? It means we are talking in broader terms, not at individual level.
So the 'reason' would imply that how it all trickled down. The very idea behind it and still enforce it in societies like Afghanistan or Saudia arabia.
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Some people appropriately ignore the other party’s arguments. 