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You should go to police if that happens. While in Saudi Arabia police is the one lashing you.
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There is a distinct difference between the burqua and the hijaab.
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Who came up with the idea of the burqa anyway?
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Think of the devil...
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hiccup - not sure if that was addressed to myself, but yeah, I know there is a difference, but in America, even a hijab is different. There are plenty of burqas clad women here to as well, enough so you see four or five everyday (more than most areas of the country).
I used the example of hijab for Afia to show that some chose to wear it even above 'percieved' views on intolerance.
Personally, if my daughter told me that she wished to wear a burqa because she felt it was a symbol of her committment to God, fine, that is her choice.
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The real burqa is the mental one the men wear in these areas, it's clear all the heat is trapped in their heads.
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Afia, for that very reason, Roman has decided not to wear it and hence the thread.
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don’t even get me started on that minah …i have to go out at least thrice a day …(kids school n stuff)…n almost every second day i face something or the other just because of that …sometimes ppl get so occupied with the idea of making stances that they forget the other person is a human too!!
madhanee n roman …i was told to stay away from such ppl …but sadly i don’t have any scale to see who falls in the category of ‘such people’ on first sight…(or even later !)
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well well well
you guys are hopeless. i mean let people live the way they want to. as long as they do not shove their own traditions on someone else's face, no body should have a problem with anything.
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burqas - yes, I feel that they are demeaning. But some women wear it out of their own choice, and if they choose to do so, then stopping them is being just as demeaning to those females. Whether they're brainwashed or not, its not your business. Its their choice, and they'll live with it.
However, hijab is not something that I feel is a bad thing. It can even look pretty stylish if worn nicely and coordinated.
In my book, if a female is doing her best to be modest in the society she lives in, I think that's brave of her. Whether that means wearing loose jeans/pants and blouse/t-shirt or whether that means hijab or whatever else.
I personally don't like wearing tight clothes, because I'm sorry, my flesh is not something I want to put on display for others. And that's not me being brainwashed.
And frankly, a lot of men who gripe about it just want to see some nice skin.
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Roman muft ke pangay na liya karo na. If its really about ur desire to help the surpressed women go to KSA and fight for your cause. Most hijabans on this board are not residing in a place where they are required by their society to wear hijaab. Its a free choice most of them made.
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It was a general comment minah - there are degrees to hijaab, niqaab and then burqua and there is modest dressing which some believe hijaab enough. What exactly is ROman "against" ? The mosdesty the headscarf the abayaa or the full thing? He needs to clarify.
So far as oppression is concerned. These women are groomed from a young age to believe they are threatened and that the covering etc provides a means of liberation. Some women also truel and honestly believe the womans place is in the home. I dont know if that fits. But there you have it.
I was watching a programme on tv last night called " dont be scared im islamic" or something. And there was this Ex jewish revert - who had choosen to don the niqaab ( i think) she wore an abayaa and head scarf - and what she had to say about Feminism was interesting. She said that women in their struggle for equality and freedom inthe west had become to immitate men, becasue only as a man could they feel they were really seen as people. Where as Islam has pre ordained roles for everyone - in which both sexes are equal.
I am not sure what I think, this is just a rambling tangent - becasue although it is true on the one hand that the role of the sexes seems to be swapping. ie the new Ladette phenomenon and also the rise of the metro - it has perhaps just given peopel more inthe way of expression. People are allowed to be as they please. There is no preordainness in a truely free society and a person can choose their role in the aforementioned and also define that role unto themselves.
Then why are more and more poeple suffering depression etc? If freedom and equality is what people want, wy are they not happy once they ahve got it.
Or is it just a case of too much time to think too much on too little fuel?
Sorry for tangent._ you can all thank Miss M for getting me to watch the show :p
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That is fine …I don’t think Roman is forcing anyone to take it off or put it on..he is presenting his views on it.
On the other hand proponents of Burqa don’t live by “live as they want to” rule.
Other day I saw this photograph of hijabi women where they are protesting in favour of the right to wear hijab..one fo the posters reads “A woman’s right to chose Hijab”… knowing that wish/choice to wear burqa/hiiijab is motivated by religion, we all know how much these religious people are for " women’s right to chose".
But I agree they have the right to wear it…whatever way they want, but people are free to make judgements as long as there is no practically reason to wear it.
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A quick question if the Burqa is a form of repression what about the hasidics?
Hasidics are jews, whose women do not even show they real hair. They wear a wig and cover their body like muslim women. They have no choice in the matter either. They are forced to do it. It is very common in NYC. Is that repression as well?
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hiccup…i think its because we interpret equality the wrong way…!!
equality is not necessarily "The Same’.
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I would say a muslim woman has choice. Some christians also donn headscarves. Black ones. In italy.
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hiccup - I think that is where the confusion is between the thinking of the west (at least America anyway) and areas that typically 'groom' for the hijab. In our way of thinking a lack of choice equals oppression not freedom. Whereas in those areas that same lack would equal freedom. I can't say I understand that but I could respect it if it didn't go hand in hand with a lot of other repressive behaviors (ie not educating females, not allowing them to travel without a male, not allowing choice in marriage, trading them like livestock or using them as payment for wrongs in what passes for a court).
The reason people focus on the Burqa so much is because it is a tangible symbol of a way of thinking. It's not right, but people like things they can point at.
CM - Jews and Christians have the choice not to here, no one will persecute them for it. As I stated, a person who does it willingly as a sign of devotion should be able to. A person who must because it is a cultural norm as opposed to a choice, is oppressed if they cannot change their situation willingly.
hiccup - As far as the other points, lol, I'm going to digest them for a bit :)
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hiccup - nice comments. I think to answer those concerns you need to look at the overall picture of social set-up. In the West, people are increasingly becoming aliented. People just don't walk over to their neighbors and socialize as much anymore. People don't talk face to face as much - they prefer the internet.
Plus with insane work hours, people get home late, and sit down and watch TV, and then go to bed. Weekends are spent shopping and doing other chores that one can't do during the week.
So there is an increasing level of alienation among citizens. I don't think it really has anything to do with females getting involved in society.
Or maybe it does.
BTW, my comments are specific to the US. I know you're in the UK.
Also, being "equal" does not necessarily mean, becoming men. Women here still wear dresses, still wear make-up, do their hair up, cook, clean, take care of kids, etc.
Its just that they're not being told what to do by a man anymore. They just choose to do what they want. If they want hijab, fine. If they want mini-skirt, fine. The point is, there is no force.
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Men all around the world also used to cover their head well up until the middle of the last century, some still do. It was part of becoming a respectable responsible adult. It was also a sign of status & association the kind of hat/cap/kufi/pugri/topi you would wear. Just look at Jerusalem these days. And while through the rise of popular culture, men easily shed their head coverings, it is still a struggle for women in parts of the world where popular culture is recently introduced.
My official stance is that burqa/hijab does not protect women from rape, maybe from harassment but that is not the idea behind it. And it has become a sign of repression, but I personally know women who wear it as a sign of rebellion where there own mothers/aunties don't wear it, but that is also not a good reason to go about wearing it.
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“Don’t panic, im Islamic” BBC2
your welcome for the education luv 