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Re: My name is Pakistan and I’m not an Arab
The demonising of "desi" culture and race you see in the saas bahu section of this website is sickening to say the least. How many times I've seen women giving oh so Islamic Arab cultural reference to prove how evil their hindu Pakistani culture is. Err what? Goodness, the things I read there lol.
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How can one say Pakistan created Taliban but in the same breath downplay the role Saudi Arab and US' had played? That's an embarrassingly simplified twist of such complex matter.
Taliban for Pakistan is geopolitics gone not just wrong but out of control.
I'm not downplaying their role. I've always spoken against them. Now it's time we accept our gov and army's role as well. They trained Taliban, they're allowing drone attacks and they will carry on supporting US agenda though secretly
and I said before....Wahhabism doesn't mean middle eastern Islam. Wahhabi Islam is not even dominant sect/school in Mid East.
Desi demonisation usually comes from Pakistanis living abroad who pick up always on the negative side of Pakistan.
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My name is Pakistani, and I'm proud to learn Arabic, read/understand Arabic, speak Arabic (when/where appropriate), and adopt the ways of my beloved Prophet (s.a.w.) who was sent as a blessing to all mankind. Too bad it bothers the narrow-hearted who can neither understand the sweetness, nor be encouraged to ask Allah to bless them with it.
Paracha can try praying in urdu, and see how that works out.
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Yes, our cultural and historical identity, the authenticity of which is certainly revised when we deny our Indian heritage and falsely embrace Arabic culture. I agree that there is no difference between Arabic robes and jeans and a t-shirt, and I say that in one of my earlier responses. But we have to consider why *we emulate Arabs:* religion**. The belief that somehow their interpretation of Islam is righteous and pure. And it is fairly evident that certain interpretations of religion in the Arab world are incredibly conservative, more so than Pakistan used to be, and it is the influence of people in these religions, *along with the ineptitude of institutions within Pakistan, *that contribute to more violence and bloodshed. So yes, American or otherwise, culture imposition is culture imposition, but only one of those cultures comes along with the baggage of religious imposition. I'll let you take a guess at that.
The article begins with a woman assuming that Arabic music is spiritual because she assumes it's religious. You don't see it? The author makes various references to Muslims and the ulema. You don't see it? Arabic culture is only idealized because of Islam. That's the key difference.
That's exactly the point Kakaballi is making. The hypocritical double standards of those who bring it up and the reason why the general public does not buy into it. The criticism of these people is not due to people negating their roots or heritage but because it is due to Islam, the religion they hate. And I wonder why this somehow is okay with you. At least they should be forthcoming and state that they oppose these Arabic influence because it reeks of Islam rather than try to hide behind façade of roots and culture.
P.S. I hate people who try to fake an Arabic heritage of their clans while they have local roots and those who pose as fake syeds. I am proud to be a Punjabi, my forefathers were Sikhs and before them hindus and that does not make any other muslims better than me whose forefather were idol worshippers 14 centuries ago.
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BTW I wonder what you think of people who deny their Indian heritage and claim a European ancestry!
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Clearly you didn't read my post properly. I'm not talking about Islam in general. I'm talking about what Saudis consider to be Islam.
That's exactly the point Kakaballi is making. The hypocritical double standards of those who bring it up and the reason why the general public does not buy into it. The criticism of these people is not due to people negating their roots or heritage but because it is due to Islam, the religion they hate. And I wonder why this somehow is okay with you. At least they should be forthcoming and state that they oppose these Arabic influence because it reeks of Islam rather than try to hide behind façade of roots and culture. P.S. I hate people who try to fake an Arabic heritage of their clans while they have local roots and those who pose as fake syeds. I am proud to be a Punjabi, my forefathers were Sikhs and before them hindus and that does not make any other muslims better than me whose forefather were idol worshippers 14 centuries ago.
Yes, our cultural and historical identity, the authenticity of which is certainly revised when we deny our Indian heritage and falsely embrace Arabic culture. I agree that there is no difference between Arabic robes and jeans and a t-shirt, and I say that in one of my earlier responses. But we have to consider why *we emulate Arabs:religion. The belief that somehow* their interpretation of Islam** is righteous and pure. And it is fairly evident that certain interpretations of religion in the Arab world are incredibly conservative, more so than Pakistan used to be, and it is the influence of people in these religions, *along with the ineptitude of institutions within Pakistan, *that contribute to more violence and bloodshed. So yes, American or otherwise, culture imposition is culture imposition, but only one of those cultures comes along with the baggage of religious imposition. I'll let you take a guess at that.
The article begins with a woman assuming that Arabic music is spiritual because she assumes it's religious. You don't see it? The author makes various references to Muslims and the ulema. You don't see it? Arabic culture is only idealized because of Islam. That's the key difference.
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My name is Pakistani, and I'm proud to learn Arabic, read/understand Arabic, speak Arabic (when/where appropriate), and adopt the ways of my beloved Prophet (s.a.w.) who was sent as a blessing to all mankind. Too bad it bothers the narrow-hearted who can neither understand the sweetness, nor be encouraged to ask Allah to bless them with it.
Paracha can try praying in urdu, and see how that works out.
I think you're missing the point and should redress the initial post.
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Ironically most of the people who claim to have Arab roots (in pakistan) are (follow sects ideologically different to those trying to emulate them these days).
the arabisation that we see these days is the result of Islamisation post 79 (afghan war).
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My name is Pakistani, and I'm proud to learn Arabic, read/understand Arabic, speak Arabic (when/where appropriate), and adopt the ways of my beloved Prophet (s.a.w.) who was sent as a blessing to all mankind. Too bad it bothers the narrow-hearted who can neither understand the sweetness, nor be encouraged to ask Allah to bless them with it.
Paracha can try praying in urdu, and see how that works out.
Islam doesnt equal Arab. and there is no reason why we should assume Arabic culture is in any way superior to Pakistani (Desi) culure simply because the prophet was an Arab. Jesus wasnt an Arab, why dont we emulate the Jews.
Not acknowledging one's own identity and culture is not a sign of respect. Paracha isnt saying dont learn arabic or pray in Urdu. He is saying be proud of who you are and own it, dont try to pretend your something you are not. I dont understand how you could possibly misconstrue his article to mean anything else. Learning Arabic is one thing, but claiming to be arab when yo clearly arent only because you are ashamed of your Hindu ancestors, or you want to put on airs, is not something we should admire.
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Ironically most of the people who claim to have Arab roots (in pakistan) are (follow sects ideologically different to those trying to emulate them these days).
the arabisation that we see these days is the result of Islamisation post 79 (afghan war).
Not necessarily.
The Awan Tribe of Punjab have always claimed to be descendants of Arabs, long before the creation of Pakistan. There might be some truth in it, as far as I know there are no Non-Muslim Awans. However, researchers claim they are probably Central Asian or if they are Arab, they are connected to India by way of marriage to Hindu women..
Who knows. But obviosuly, the Jaats, Rajputs, etc are of Hindu stock. I wish they would do some genealogical studies of Pakistanis and settle this thing once and for all.
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Visit any Pakistani city and count the number of people wearing jeans/t-shirts and those wearing long arab robes. You'll know how obsessed Pakistanis are with being or appearing Arab. An empirical study should be the best reflection of the facts, no?
Hope your right... But even one wearing the robes is one to many for my taste.
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So, again, it is not the influence of Arab culture that is destroying us. Even if you claim the people living in Saudi Arabia are extremely conservative and they preach hatred towards people other than their own version of Islam, how would you explain largely peaceful existence of Americans and other expats in Saudi Arabia for decades? If they teach killing non-Muslims, why not start in their own country where they can find millions of them? Why we do not hear about bomb blasts in expat compounds in SA?
Why do we blame them for our own inability to ensure law and order in the country? Why do we let Saudi funding reach extremists? It has absolutely nothing to do with our desire to appear Arab or have our family tree touch Madina at some point.
I have no problems with people wanting to appear either western or Arab. It is a choice they make and is all good as long as they remain withing the bounds of law. The false claims of Arab ancestry can easily be refuted with a little research just as NP's grandad did.
Its not the Arab culture thats destroying people, its the lack of identity.
The Arabization is not only negative to the extent that the Arabs extremist ideology is feeding extremists in Pakistan, but also that it seeks to undermine and replace local customs with supposed Arab ones. People who adopt such identities do so with belief that Arab culture is inherently superior and look down on the actual cuture they belong too.
Western identity is harmless for the most part, and it generally melds with local culture. So for example, you have rock music with traditional music etc. The Arab identity on the other hand, seems to shun all aspects of Pakistani culture, and looks down on anything Pakistani. another words, Western cultural influences meld with local tradition and are limited to the arts, music etc, while Arab influences aim to completely eradicate local traditions from language, to clothes to the very mindset of the people.
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We do not cater to American tastes. 
Our Hindu ancestors wore Jeans and t-shirts and we would continue doing so as long as we can resist Arabic influence!
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You’re trying to kill the messenger (btw, he kind of looks like today’s Taliban in that pic than hippie :D). :
Also, which part of what he said bellow you disagree with?
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Well atleast you admit you had Hindu ancestors, thatS a start… As an Awan however, i must admit that my tribe has always believed they are Arabs. 
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Not necessarily. The Awan Tribe of Punjab have always claimed to be descendants of Arabs, long before the creation of Pakistan. There might be some truth in it, as far as I know there are no Non-Muslim Awans. However, researchers claim they are probably Central Asian or if they are Arab, they are connected to India by way of marriage to Hindu women..
Who knows. But obviosuly, the Jaats, Rajputs, etc are of Hindu stock. I wish they would do some genealogical studies of Pakistanis and settle this thing once and for all.
Jatts and Rajputs do not claim any Arab ancestry, they do have links with Central Asia though.
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Islam doesnt equal Arab. and there is no reason why we should assume Arabic culture is in any way superior to Pakistani (Desi) culure simply because the prophet was an Arab. Jesus wasnt an Arab, why dont we emulate the Jews.
Not acknowledging one's own identity and culture is not a sign of respect. Paracha isnt saying dont learn arabic or pray in Urdu. He is saying be proud of who you are and own it, dont try to pretend your something you are not. I dont understand how you could possibly misconstrue his article to mean anything else. Learning Arabic is one thing, but claiming to be arab when yo clearly arent only because you are ashamed of your Hindu ancestors, or you want to put on airs, is not something we should admire.
Believe me brother, I'm well aware of the author's leanings and rants that revolve around a few set of specific things. If it's not Islam's influence on Pakistani public, then it's Arabian culture. It's always one thing or another. If you look hard enough, you will find a pattern emerge in the subject matter the author writes about.
Of course Pakistanis have an identity, and quite frankly it's a very respectable identity. There may be a segment of the Pakistani society that desires to assimilate Arabian culture into their lives. But to disassociate from Indian culture is not a bad thing. It brings nothing good to Pakistani society, the very creation of Pakistan was along the lines of Pakistanis having their own identity different from their Hindu/Sikh friends and neighbors of the past. But that's a topic in itself, and has been discussed many times.
The way I see it, it's better to associate and merge with those who share similar ideology than to force a patchwork that differs from the majority mindset. Example: Eurozone is a group of countries sharing somewhat similar ideologies, and poor Turkey despite being the best candidate to become a Euro nation sees no way to get in because its' ideology is not the same as European core nations.
If I say more, I would be going way off topic. But I'm sure you get the jest of what I mean. It's perhaps that Pakistanis portray, and yearn to link up with Middle-East for the above stated reason, sharing the religion just helps bond that. Like it or hate it, it is what it is.
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Well atleast you admit you had Hindu ancestors, thatS a start... As an Awan however, i must admit that my tribe has always believed they are Arabs. :D
Of course... my hindu ancestors fought Arab invaders :P But their jeans were too tight to allow free movement and they lost to robed Arab thugs.
Now they liked the dress code the Arabs brought with them, converted and moved to dhoti.
Re: My name is Pakistan and I’m not an Arab
Believe me brother, I'm well aware of the author's leanings and rants that revolve around a few set of specific things. If it's not Islam's influence on Pakistani public, then it's Arabian culture. It's always one thing or another. If you look hard enough, you will find a pattern emerge in the subject matter the author writes about.
I do agree that Paracha is obsessed with subject. On and off (read as most of the times), his writings revolves around this concept and he is quite keen to share articles written by other writers on the subject on his twitter account. It seems 'Allah waste ka ber' with Arabs.