And whre were these small ghundas in Lahore Peshawar ...Shakkahr and Hydeabad....had they eaten up all thier guns !!!!!!
CM Punjab rally of 1500 lawyers started from Lakhsmi Chowk, Lahore to GGPO ..HC chowk...nothing happened...these 1500 lawyers also raised slogans against CJ...but nothing happened...why these chota ghundas became angels in Lahore ????
Very simple- the weak ghundas had no one to oppose them in other cities.
PS: it also indicates on whose orders are the lawyers doing street mujras unopposed.
I see, we are still going on about the fact that because one govt allegedly did something wrong some years ago than it justifies whatever has happened now. Talk about learning from history. If not, why are we discussing what happened in the past while ignoring what is going on now. No wonder we are in a mess.
Nope, if that govt and its cronies were long dead and buried that would be a diff thing, we are just talking about people who are stilla round, and who are posturing to get back in power, and what type of people they were. when we are going to call one side bad, and rightfully so, we can not close our eyes to the others. Sadly in Pakistan politics is like WWE, one is good one is bad, its a battle of haq and batil, good and evil. People cant see it as power struggle between a number of messed up corrupt ass people and their cronies.
Nope, if that govt and its cronies were long dead and buried that would be a diff thing, we are just talking about people who are stilla round, and who are posturing to get back in power, and what type of people they were. when we are going to call one side bad, and rightfully so, we can not close our eyes to the others. Sadly in Pakistan politics is like WWE, one is good one is bad, its a battle of haq and batil, good and evil. People cant see it as power struggle between a number of messed up corrupt ass people and their cronies.
Not really, the examples of the previous govt. are being given in order to justify what happened recently. How are we going to move forward if we keep going back to what happened rather than focus on what is going on now, or shall we say that because PPP and others did this in the past therefore it is ok for Mush to do it as well. If they are posturing to get back in power it is because the ones who are in power now are desperately looking to forge alliance with ones who have got standing in the public. As I have always said let the people decide in a fair election.
Not really, the examples of the previous govt. are being given in order to justify what happened recently. How are we going to move forward if we keep going back to what happened rather than focus on what is going on now, or shall we say that because PPP and others did this in the past therefore it is ok for Mush to do it as well. If they are posturing to get back in power it is because the ones who are in power now are desperately looking to forge alliance with ones who have got standing in the public. As I have always said let the people decide in a fair election.
how are we going to move forward when moving forward means going back to the same old ppl. thus in moving forward we need to address teh past deeds of these folks otherwise the future would be like the past. not something that we want or need.
The dictator is desperate to get her back to hold on to his illegal govt. Height of desperation.
and why is she so deperate to cut a deal with the dictator? and ignoring her brothers in the fight for dummycracy..nawaz and the whole ARD :D come one lets not be one sided.
i know innocent people who got humiliated and killed by the army/rangers during that time.
if anything that is what still motivates a huge amount of support for MQM. cruelty begets cruelty, and when people have reason to fear for their lives from the official forces and realise they are scum in the eyes of the govt they depend more on the vigilantes, even the ones with MQM's record.
for the people of karachi MQM is like the mafia don you make friends with to keep yourself safe from the racist bully ahole cop who you know will try to beat you up whenever he gets the chance.
Your knowledge of MQM just shows how much you know about Karachi. Human right abuse is human right abuse, you do not need to use it as a political agenda otherwise majority of other ethinicity would not join this same party. Moreover, the party members would not remain in the same party. Pakistanis in general do not care about each other, their sympathies for each other are mostly on political bases. No body knows the name and life of those who died during the genocide of '95, '96. Neither will anyone will ever know anything about the 41 died during recent mayhem. Those people who are protesting are using those dead bodies to capture seats, not make Pakistan better.
MQM as mafia, man you have some political insight, don't you.
and why is she so deperate to cut a deal with the dictator? and ignoring her brothers in the fight for dummycracy..nawaz and the whole ARD :D come one lets not be one sided.
I am no supporter of her, but let the people decide, what's wrong with that ?
how are we going to move forward when moving forward means going back to the same old ppl. thus in moving forward we need to address teh past deeds of these folks otherwise the future would be like the past. not something that we want or need.
its like back to the future :)
let's have a fair election and let all the guys stand in that election and let the people decide, doodh ka doodh or panni ka panni. Why are Mush supporters so afraid of a fair election. While I am no supporter of BB and Nawaz I do firmly believe that the people of Pakistan have a right to decide who should govern them, that decision should not be made by a military dictator. What is he afraid of?
but weak ghundas neveer in past show ghunda gardi in past in Lahore...so problem lies in Karachi..not in small ghundas...
and lawyers were of General party...not opposition....
lawyers were not opposition cronies? right...
and as far as ghunda gardee by the lawyers (as proxies of ghunda political parties go), i think we have pics of them with rocks and what nots, and at that time they got phainti from the law enforcement.
in karachi the ghundas had to deal with local ghundas, and got big time phainti.
let's have a fair election and let all the guys stand in that election and let the people decide, doodh ka doodh or panni ka panni. Why are Mush supporters so afraid of a fair election. While I am no supporter of BB and Nawaz I do firmly believe that the people of Pakistan have a right to decide who should govern them, that decision should not be made by a military dictator. What is he afraid of?
lets have a fair election, and lets hold people responsible to honor their office. This is not about musharraf, this is about Pakistan.
people of pakistan do have a right to decide who 'governs' them, but more importantly who "represents" them and who "serves" them. sadly our polticians are more focused on governing than representing and serving.
do we want elections right now or on some promised time. what is the framework of doing so. let the assemblis pass a no confidence motion and then lets go from there.
I mean I dislike Bush, I cant force an election next week can I?
I am no supporter of her, but let the people decide, what's wrong with that ?
well then lets not have an issue with MQM morons either, because maybe people decided in that case as well, reardless of how much you or I hate altaf.
but if we are going to then say that we cant have criminals and ppl with pathetic records running, whether its because they have a long list of charges and allegatiosn against them or whatever, then lets be fair.
I see no difference in altaf and benazir and nawaz.
Bush got elected fair and Square, Mush didn't so there is no comparison between the two. Bush has legitimate claim on the presidency, Mush doesn't. Rubber stamp assemblies do not normally pass a vote of no confidence. They only pass what they are told.
well then lets not have an issue with MQM morons either, because maybe people decided in that case as well, reardless of how much you or I hate altaf.
but if we are going to then say that we cant have criminals and ppl with pathetic records running, whether its because they have a long list of charges and allegatiosn against them or whatever, then lets be fair.
I see no difference in altaf and benazir and nawaz.
You could have added Mush in the last sentence and I would have agreed with you.
Not really, the examples of the previous govt. are being given in order to justify what happened recently. How are we going to move forward if we keep going back to what happened rather than focus on what is going on now, or shall we say that because PPP and others did this in the past therefore it is ok for Mush to do it as well. If they are posturing to get back in power it is because the ones who are in power now are desperately looking to forge alliance with ones who have got standing in the public. As I have always said let the people decide in a fair election.
Ehsan Bhai,
I agree with u, instead of focusing on the past, we as a nation must look forward. But, that can only happen when nations are confident about their past, nations who are unable to settle their past demons will always repeat the same mistake nor will they develope ethical, just values.
This thread was about the ANP, PPP, JI perpetuated violence, yet we are talking about Mqm and Musharraf. Why is that? Why can we not discuss issues objectively, fairly and critically?
No problem is impossible, we have the example of Northern Ireland, South Africa, Eastern Europe, Bangladesh-Pakistan and many more which clearly show human beings have the ability to forgive and forget. What is needed is a sincere effort to establish just and lasting peace, but for that to happen a sense of fairness and justice are imperative. That seems a distant dream when we cannot even discuss issues in a objective, fair manner.
