Mustafa kamal announce new party

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Bhatta khors and target killers, this is exactly what the image of MQM is in other places of the country (barring urban Sindh). When non Urdu speaking call them the same they have been called names, and operations against the party has been construed as games of establishment etc. Do Urdu speaking people deny the crimes this party has committed in their names? Are they willing to ignore the crimes of this party which are in no way less than Taliban only as they share their ethnicity? Time has come to see the impact of the activities this party has carried out which has only served to push Karachi (which was once the leading city of Asia) into abyss.

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Are you honestly being serious? Nice try at making racial xenophobia such a poetic thing. I guess Muhajirs who call non Muhajirs as invaders and outsiders also had/have no problem when Sindhi nationalists calls them outsiders and invaders for coming in to their province and taking their jobs which sadly became the starting point of consequent ethnic tensions.

Sorry to burst the bubble, but in the West the words like 'invaders' to describe other ethnic groups are used by illiterate, violent, racist and extreme right wing skinheads not self proclaimed 'educated and civilised' community. Instead of condemning the mindset, you are justifying it or making excuses for it? MQM in 40 years had killed roughly the same number of people as Taliban had killed in last 10 years - vast majority of them belonging to Muhajir group. So really who are you trying to kid by saying MQM is the only option to safeguard the interest of Muhajirs? Have they got rid of the quota system despite being in bed with every single ruler government - be it democratic or dictatorship? Yes once a upon time there came a dictator who in order to prolong his rule pumped unprecedented and unregulated funds into Karachi, and MQM got some work done. Bravo! The money they got for brown nosing a dictator is their only notable service to the Muhajir community.

Keep trying to say it is okay to view other ethnic groups as invaders, and they shouldn't take an offence. As per your post, Muhajirs may not have much sense of belonging to the rest of Pakistan other than Karachi, but for rest of Pakistanis, the country belongs to everybody. As free citizens, they have every right to go wherever they like.

Yes the racial xenophobia that exists within Muhajir community may be inter generational, and rooted in some period bound context, but if you start condemning this mindset now, and educate people about how disgusting and dangerous it is - maybe this sense of racism won't get passed down to another generation. You have to break the cycle somewhere, and somehow.

FYI. There are plenty of Muhajirs in Punjab, in particular in Lahore, and they get on with other communities just fine. In fact it is quite professional ad integrated community, and since Punjab doesn't have the language chip on the shoulder like Sindh has, Muhajirs in Punjab have found a really peaceful and comfortable living there. But I have seen LB flyers of MQM on Twitter with writing saying *'Suno Muhajiro - Karachi humara aik hi thikana he - peeche Punjab he or aage Samundar'- *This is some sick level of ethno-fascist territorial propaganda and if you think this is all fine and dandy, then don't make me write a thesis explaining how Nazi propaganda made Germans believe that violent fascist murderers were their only hope for survival and supremacy. Never underestimate the power of propaganda.

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As countrymen you should make an effort to see the MQM perpective on things and understand why they do the things they do instead of labeling them as terrorists... Their politics may not be wholesome, but it stems from something very basic and genuine. The need to safeguard the interests of your own people in an environment where resources are scarce, and where such interests are often overlooked.
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My friend I trust your profound wisdom and gifted intelligence to kindly explain me the noble MQM perspective behind slow roasting 260 poor factory workers (including females and children) because their owners did not pay extortion money. I expect you to fully explain to me how it was not an act of terrorism but just a random burning of people to safeguard the 'interests' of their community.

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I'm talking about PTI coming in Karachi. They have this mentality that PTI won't know jack about 'Karachi issues' as if it's not Karachi a Pakistani city but a colony in Mars we are talking about where no one than ethno-fascist violent party can ever figure out its issues. PTI is trying to run a war torn and completely rural province where more than half its land surface isn't connected to the national grid in the 21st century, and still they are just doing fine in getting Pashtun community the rights and service delivery they are entitled to. Running a self sufficient and urban commercial hub would be far less difficult than that.

Anyway - PTI should now completely pull out of Karachi politics. With resurgence of Mustafa Kamal - the next elections will just be a battle between good Muhajirs and bad Muhajirs, and PTI in the middle will only split Kamal's vote bank in posh areas which will only help MQM at the end. Imran's mixed ethnic heritage may work as a bridge between KPK-Punjab electorate, but when it comes to Karachi - it's a double negative!

Establishment brought Kamal back for a reason. Ethnic vote bank can only be neutralised with more ethnicity. It would have been nice to see some genuine non ethnic, and non violent and less polarised political competition in Karachi, but Karachi is not ready for it yet. If Mustafa Kamal can shun identity politics, maybe in 10 years time, Karachi's ethnic environment will be more conducive to healthy political competition.

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Although what he is saying is obvious, i.e. MQM being a terrorist party, on RAW payroll, Altaf being a ruthless drunk slob but keep in mind this person was a murderer himself who was kissing Altaf’s hands and cheeks while abusing anchors/rival party members vehemently months before he disappeared by saying ‘merey Quaid Altaf ke khilaaf koi bolney ki jurrat na karey’. And for those who are saying he got stuff done, keep in mind Karachi was in the top 3 worst cities in terms of livability under his mayor ship (which he used to falsely call the 3rd best mayor ship lol). He is also on record in a xenophobic NPR interview where he referred to poor laborer Pathans as ‘these people are like terrorists’ while the ‘foreign/white’ NPR journalist claiming it certainly doesn’t appear that way. Karachi’s Growth Fuels Demand for Illegal Housing : NPR

With that said, If he has really reformed his ways and come clean but he needs to first apologize for his crimes/actions.

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If Kamal is truly doing this at the behest/support of establishment/pml/army then it's wrong, the last thing the city needs is more establishment ploys which do not bode well with the people of Karachi (and quite rightly so). If anything PTI to me is the best hope for Karachi provided they get more people like Alvi in there. Even the long time PTI bandwagoners those that are severely disenchanted by Imran/party's policies/stances/statements pit it as urban Sindh's best hope. MQM is also on a somewhat of a self destruction path right now so who better to fill that vacuum. PTI Karachi leaders fit the middle class educated criteria alot better than folks like MQM Babar Sattar/Wasim Akhter/Wasim Haider etc..

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Well said :k:

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He was hard core criminal killer and right hand of his boss kala shah kaku in London. He should be tried for his crimes and punished accordingly. Why he is out side of the jail in the first place?

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Well....a year so ago, I would've agreed with you, but now I'm well past that optimism not because there's anything so drastically wrong with PTI, but the fact you just simply cannot defeat ethno-nationalism and identity politics in Karachi/Sindh.

Establishment sat back and waited to see how far PTI turns out to be a natural alternative in Karachi - but when they saw PTI falling flat on its face against the mighty MQM's identity politics, they did what they do best - pulled out an ethnic pawn to neutralise the ethnic vote bank. Now next elections will be a battle between Good Muhajirs and Bad Muhajirs, and PTI will just be a waste of space and votes.

Mustafa Kamal's 20 years of criminality will be forgiven because he's an 'apna' whereas Imran's 20 years of clean record won't get him the respect because he's not an apna. Dr Alvi is a very decent man, and such decency can only win you Defence/Clifton constituencies.

In Karachi, you have to remember that there's one group that actually votes for MQM, and then there is another larger group that simply does not vote against MQM even when they have an alternative option, and that to me, this an indirect vote for MQM and much tougher mindset to change.

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Besides, Imran was portrayed as anti Muhajir monster when he used to point the most obvious criminality and fascism of MQM, now can you imagine the kind of backlash he will get if condemns MQM one one hand and challenges Mustafa Kamal on the other, for the elections? So I rather have PTI not do any politics there.

Let just establishment deal with Karachi - it's a hopeless situation. Even if Qauid e Azam comes back, he won't be able to win Karachi without establishment's help.

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^ Wat u mention mostly is correct for the voting of ppl in khi. Ppl need to think why we reach to such level.

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I don’t know. Perhaps Musrafa Kamal has an answer to that question:

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yes our establishment has played many cards against mQm in the past and who knows what this new drama is but those we who are criticizing kamal that why didnt he open his mouth before and that he was apart of every crime as well shd remember one thing...kamal left the party and migrated to dubai when he was doing very well in karachi... he was an active senator, was very popular in mqm, mqm was doing great and kamal was enjoying his time. he left mqm when he was at peak. so he shd be given some credit for that and we shd not disregard him fully.

and if he is indeed extending establishment agenda, then that will be exposed in few months.

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I think he has attitude problem which could be a reason behind this break up as conflict with some of his fellow members.

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Btw, karachi k leaders to shayed badal jaen leken jin k munh ko lagi hui hai, wo kesay chorren gy?
Not sure Mustafa Kamal's workers will be able to match the MQM workers. It will be hard for even MQM (lower level organization) to survive without bhatta khori/violence.

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Altaf Hussain can not let anyone else be more popular and stronger than him, MK must have read the writing on the wall or a text instruction for a new bori of his size.

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As long as the top leadership remains 'clean' and nonviolent, the situation won't go out of hand.

The real test of Mustafa Kamal will begin when there will be clashes between MQM loyalists and his new party workers. All eyes will be on him to see how he resists the temptation to fight gun with the gun which has very much become an ingrained culture of Karachi politics, and the ultimate 'winning method' he was once part of.

Haqaqqi flopped because they turned out to be just as ruthless and violent as MQM, but if Mustafa Kamal stays nonviolent, he will become a real success and a hero. I hope he stays committed to politics of nonviolence. He's the man of the moment for Karachi, a lot is expected from him, and it'll be nice to see him succeed.

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It is easy to do so when you have the whole province but in sindh, PTI has a fat chance right now of ruling the province but more like getting seats in karachi. Think of the situation in that scenario with a severely diminished "in name only" LG system that parties including PTI defanged. Think of how UK would function if your tube had to be inaugurated and personally run by David Cameron.

PS What I don't get is why is there so much hostility against LG system by the so-called "democratic forces" especially when the 1973 constitution explicitly says that Local Govt systems should be set up. Perhaps bhutto didn't believe in LG systems, but he was there when it was put in the constitution. Punjab would immensely benefit as well considering how bhawalpur was harapped by regular Punjab when One Unit was dissolved around 1970 elections.

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New party grew 30% overnight. One more MQM ex minister joined the new party. Now this is what I call successful launch of a party

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Nameless and flagless party? :)