Muslims who live in the West while hating the West....

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hell yes friend.

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Terrorist-sympathisers/extremists like those holding the placards are a cancer to Islam, they will destroy us all, we need to get rid of them for OUR OWN sake... Don't just defend them "because they're fellow Muslims", if someone is wrong they are wrong regardless of their religion.

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A lot of them might not mean what they are saying on the placards, being highschool dropouts they might not understand the nature of the holocaust, they might just be a group of over zealous young men who are using the march as a means to vent their anger and frustrations, Muslims are good at empty slogans to vent their anger but Westerners who see all that in the media do not understand the general Muslim psychology, they'll REALLY believe that all the Muslims in the protest are out to get us, it achieves no good and just gives all Muslims and Islam a bad name.

I wish Imam's did more to condemn terrorists and terrorists sympathisers, I'm glad the laws on hate-speech are getting tougher.

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What the F*** kinda argument is that.

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well i love it here
but yeash my mom was saying the same thing the other day
cuz we know someone whos livin here and hates it

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no im not defending them, truth is a lot of ppl like that don't know their arse from armpit, they make some strong comments without making them.

but then you dont know who's just venting and who's serious, ppl who say stuff like that should be prosecuted.

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if you live in UK and hate it, can you blame it when they hate you back?

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Hating is not the same as expressing the truth. I stated earlier that when the West commits illegal acts and attrocities abroad, it is our DUTY to speak on it. Staying silent is for cowards.

I don't like the brainwashed extremists either, on both sides. Remember, there are extremist white people also, who hate us anyway.

With regards to them hating us back, I'm sure they were the first ones to hate us, for no real reason but our skin colour and choice of faith.

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It's his opinion...You got a problem with that?

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Yeah I do. I guess it is okay in your eyes for someone to praise someone that has murdered plenty of fellow Muslims in the name of Islaam, isn’t it? :rolleyes:

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I feel the sameway, when some one live on the same land and then disliking everything around them. i guess britain allowed muslims to have masjids, halal shops etc on top of welfare state benefits.

imagine Pakistan, Iran, KSA allowing to build new Church or temples for minorities?

many of them are misguided, they live in the western society with exterme issues with the local and western life in general.

certainly if people hate so much where they live, they should pack the bags and head where they like the most and stop being hypocrates.

difference of opinion is tolrated here in west more than in Pakistan or other islamic countries.

I had a friend, who use to be fully westernised meaning drinking, clubing and everything you can expect. he turned to other exterme have foot long beard, now lecture us on Islam. he atleast moved to middle east as he didnt wana go back to Pakistan. but only after securing his and family British nationality.

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Criticizing doesn't equal hatred...I hate aspects of U.S. and I also love aspects of it...as do most Americans...I'd rather not have people tell me to go back to my own country because of the criticism I may make about the U.S...which is more likely about politics.

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Run?

Statistics just reinforce my point...I know they don't teach you math in your madrassah's.....

Oh Please.....

British Pakistanis are a disgrace to Pakistan and Pakistanis everywhere....

Just look at the numbers, 10% of all British Pakistanis agreed with the July 7 suicide bombing, 30-40% thought they understood why they did what they did, and only 10% thought it was totally unjustifiable....

When you have that kind of mentality, what do you expect?

You guys have shamed us....

Its because of you the world considers all Pakistanis as potential terrorists.....

Except a lack of education can make easy targets for brainwashing and turn them into these jihadi robots

What bandwagon?

These are my personal beleifs....And heck even Pakistanis who travel to England don't like British Pakistanis.....

We Pakistanis in Canada, USA, Australia, and other places around the world are successful, have little or no crime, make more than the average person, are better educated, etc....

Unfortunately the same cannot be said of pakistanis living in England

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^Most Muslims support the cause, as you said, they "understood why they did what they did..."

What most Muslims would disagree is on matters of how they go about voicing their resentment...

Even in America, Canada and Ausrtralia, Pakistanis would tell you that while they dont support the tactics of terorists, they do "understand" why they do it.. Meaning they understand the underlying cause, since many actually share those feelings, be it Iraq or whatever else.

I myself am disgusted by the war in Iraq and the situation in Israel etc. There is a lot to be resentful of as far as US policy goes, but that is a far cry from wanting to blow something up...

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merc are you aware of the survey taken of USA muslims where the younger generation seemed to have a rather troublesome level of acceptance of suicide attacks?

the world considers pakistanis terrorists because two bit thugs from Pakistan preyed upon impressionable brit-pak youth, because terrorist training camps in certain parts of Pakistan served as a study-abrtoad program for these recruits.

as far as Pakistanis who travel (aka get to UK on visit visa and slip to work illegally) not liking British-Pakistanis, its a two way street. These visitors look down at the lower class british Pakistanis just as teh upper class british-pakistanis look down at these uncouthy and uncivilized recent arrivals.

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Now going back to the topic, hate is a strong word, but ppl can hate aspects of their new country, or dislike them, that does not mean treason and that does not mean they do not appreciate everything else.

whats next, when i complain about the absolutely pathetic traffic, someone is going to say hey if u hate it so much go back? that would be a pretty retarded comment.

so, we have to keep this in context of people who want to be productive citizens and part of society and have concerns about their country and are voicing them versus those who are loyal to interests that are against their country.

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Madrassah's? How come most of you irritable types on here, who love to generalise and stereotype always make such stupid assumptions? I have never been to a madrassah, I am educated and raised in the UK, although I respect madrassah's who teach real Islam. The jihadi ones I don't really respect at all.

Just because some people in the UK stated that they understood WHY the July bombers did what they did doesn't mean they endorse their actions. I might UNDERSTAND why a burglar or a thief does what he does but that doesn NOT mean I agree with his solution to his problems.

How the hell have UK Pakistanis led to a worldwide view of Pakistanis as terrorists? For decades the IRA were bombing UK towns and cities, not everyone assumed all Irish Catholics were terrorists. Only idiots generalise and label whole groups of people. All the 9/11 bombers were of Arab origin. If a small number of UK Pakistanis commit an attrocity like July 7 that doesn't make us all potential terrorists, only to those who have little brainpower and are quick to label others. Sadly that includes some of you Canadian and US 'brothers.'

I wrote that you jumped on bulleshah's bandwagon because I had seen you dismiss all UK Pakistanis as thugs and criminals before in the Salman Rushdie thread, to which I responded. You had no answer then for your views. Now I reply to bulleshah's post and you come up with statistics about UK Pakistani's support of extremism. Firstly, I don't take such statistics at face value, anyone can collect data to support any views they intend to promote. I could do a survey which would show that the majority of UK Pakistanis are peaceful, law abiding citizens-not that the media would promote such honest findings.

In the Salman Rushdie post, extremism was not mentioned, however in your repsonse to me you have bought in the exremist argument although I clearly stated you have generalised as categorised UK Paks as thugs before, when extremism was not mentioned. It seems to me you are leaping from one reason to another to look down on UK Pakistanis. Carry on, good luck to you, but don't think that nobody will respond or stay quiet forever, I'm surprised others haven't taken you to task for the views you express. I don't come here often and haven't been a member for long or I would've pointed it out before.

You really need to stop assuming and generalising, it's like when bulleshah stated that my friends and family must consider terrorists shaheed-how the hell would he know that? It wasn't true anyway. With these preporsterous assumptions you just reveal how limited your thinking is and most likely your young age.

Again, I'll state that there are a number of well educated, successful UK Pakistanis. There are criminals amongst us, but I recognise the reasons for that. I wont just judge them and disown them like you guys seem to do so often with all of us UK Pakistanis. I am disgusted by some of the younger generations's actions but I know that they will always be connected to me. Some people mistakenly think that by being successful they can leave parts of their community behind. That is wishful thinking. White people will always classify you as a Pakistani no matter what your passport says or where you were born.

Don't ever say that UK Pakistanis all fall under one umbrella, every community is diverse, there are bad elements in all nations and cultural groups.

LOL at all US, Canadian and Australian Pakistanis being successful. The UK has had a Pakistani population for a lot longer than the countries you mentioned. I hope Pakistanis in those other countries never fall into the traps that some of us fell into in the UK, but over time you will see that there are bad apples in all communities.

Interesting that it took you a good few days to reply.

I am not trying to antagonise you, remember you are the one, along with certain others, who has consistently bad mouthed UK Pakistanis. HSKhan replied to a thread I made about UK Sikhs spreading malicious lies with his statement that UK Pakistanis are a bunch of rapists anyway-LOL that shows the mentality of some of you guys.

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What is there to understand about a man who taught disabled schoolchildren suddenly decide to blow himself up at a Tube in London over the war in Iraq?

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There are many things to understand in even the most evil of actions.

He was brainwashed, but at the same time he probably felt angered and incensed by the way Iraqis had their country stolen and they way they were bombed in an attack that is far from a war.

A war implies two sides fighting each other, in the case of this invasion, one side with vastly superior technology bombed a country which posed no threat to it into submission.

Also it was all for natural resources, not for justice of any kind.

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I don't care what their reasons are, you can't expect me to understand why they did it.

Especially since my aunt was nearly killed that day. If those Muslims who "understood" why they did it had a relative or two wounded or killed in the attack, then they would be singing a different tune.