Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
maybe. your whole argument that you keep repeating in a 101 ways is that if something is not 100% islamic it must be secular.
that is false.
just because egypt is not 100% islamic, has "riba" based economy, it doesnt make it secular.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
maybe. your whole argument that you keep repeating in a 101 ways is that if something is not 100% islamic it must be secular.
that is false.
just because egypt is not 100% islamic, has "riba" based economy, it doesnt make it secular.
go on google and research history of egypt and its secular systems and leaders instead of guessing and making yourself look a complete fool on this subject.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
egypt is about as secular as las vegas is islamic. shalom my jewish frand rommel.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
egypt is about as secular as las vegas is islamic. shalom my jewish frand rommel.
Game over, you lose!
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
Perhaps General Sisi was expecting garlands of flowers however he will not find it easy to impose his will as the reaction to his military coup is not subsiding.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
I remember some of you religious nut jobs on the forum patting each other on the back claiming Egyptians had rejected secularism for pseudo Islam... While military coup isnt ideal, its nice to see u people crying over the toppling of the pseudo Islamic govt of Morsi. Did the thousands of people in Tahrir square calling for Morsi to be ousted not send a strong enough message to you people? No one wants you or your pseudo Islamic government.
Funny how the mental midgets are ignoring the fact that Morsi was completely incompetent and as big of a dictator as his predecessor, and that thousands of people in Egypt protested AGAINST his rule, and instead focus exclusively on the Army as if they are the cause of it all. Islamist's are such a joke.
I have heard the Tunisians are also getting sick and tired of their new Islamic govt.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
I remember some of you religious nut jobs on the forum patting each other on the back claiming Egyptians had rejected secularism for pseudo Islam... While military coup isnt ideal, its nice to see u people crying over the toppling of the pseudo Islamic govt of Morsi. Did the thousands of people in Tahrir square calling for Morsi to be ousted not send a strong enough message to you people? No one wants you or your pseudo Islamic government.
Funny how the mental midgets are ignoring the fact that Morsi was completely incompetent and as big of a dictator as his predecessor, and that thousands of people in Egypt protested AGAINST his rule, and instead focus exclusively on the Army as if they are the cause of it all. Islamist's are such a joke.
I have heard the Tunisians are also getting sick and tired of their new Islamic govt.
Lol looks who is calling others mental midgets, someone that is one himself. I am not religious so I guess I am not a nut job so take it from me that democracy means that the people decide through their votes who should be in power and who should be not. All governments become unpopular from time to time but that is no excuse for the generals to remove them, if that were the case then there would be no democracy anywhere in the world.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
Lol looks who is calling others mental midgets, someone that is one himself. I am not religious so I guess I am not a nut job so take it from me that democracy means that the people decide through their votes who should be in power and who should be not. All governments become unpopular from time to time but that is no excuse for the generals to remove them, if that were the case then there would be no democracy anywhere in the world.
Did I call you a mental midget? Did I say MR ARSHAD is such an such a person. You injected your own name into it. Where in that is your name mentioned, or anyone's name in fact?
On the other hand, your insult was directed at me. But I will let it slide since your obviously emotional and not fully capable of moderating yourself.
No, being unpopular is not an excuse, but that wasnt the point. I just wanted to point out to the Religious fanatics, and the intellectually challenged that their theory that Egyptians have rejected "secular" govt for the sake of "Islam" is complete garbage and it was proven by way of the fact that even those who originally supported Morsi and his party, are now against him. Its obviously not "Islam" they are protesting in favor of, and it wasn't "secularism" they were rejecting, it was dictatorship, corruption and mismanagement.
But the fools who proclaimed some hollow victory when Morsi was elected, should at the very least realize they are full of Sh1t now, and their theory obviously proven false.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
I'm afraid I feel Middle East identity crisis are here to say, they aren't going anywhere.
Arabs need to come up with their own tailor made solution to their problems. Neither imported version of secularism and democracy nor the idea of Saudi style Islamic state is going to work for them.
Can't believe I'm saying that but the Arabs can learn some valuable lessons from the people of Subcontinent.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
Did I call you a mental midget? Did I say MR ARSHAD is such an such a person. You injected your own name into it. Where in that is your name mentioned, or anyone's name in fact?
On the other hand, your insult was directed at me. But I will let it slide since your obviously emotional and not fully capable of moderating yourself.
No, being unpopular is not an excuse, but that wasnt the point. I just wanted to point out to the Religious fanatics, and the intellectually challenged that their theory that Egyptians have rejected "secular" govt for the sake of "Islam" is complete garbage and it was proven by way of the fact that even those who originally supported Morsi and his party, are now against him. Its obviously not "Islam" they are protesting in favor of, and it wasn't "secularism" they were rejecting, it was dictatorship, corruption and mismanagement.
But the fools who proclaimed some hollow victory when Morsi was elected, should at the very least realize they are full of Sh1t now, and their theory obviously proven false.
No you didn't call me personally mental midget but you called people that you disagree with mental midgets and implied that you have superior intelligence just because you believe in what you believe in. By the same token I can call you mental midget because in a democracy the army is supposed to be subservient to the elected representative of the people and is not supposed to oust them from power and into the jail just because a part of the population may be annoyed with the chosen representatives of the people. The way to remove these people is through the ballot box.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
No you didn't call me personally mental midget but you called people that you disagree with mental midgets and implied that you have superior intelligence just because you believe in what you believe in. By the same token I can call you mental midget because in a democracy the army is supposed to be subservient to the elected representative of the people and is not supposed to oust them from power and into the jail just because a part of the population may be annoyed with the chosen representatives of the people. The way to remove these people is through the ballot box.
I call people who are stupid with stupid ideas mental midgets. Its not that they disagree with me, I respect people who disagree with me have rational arguments and can prove me wrong. But people that are ignorant, and are willfully so, these people are mental midgets. Stupidity should not be rewarded with respect.
If you would read what I wrote, you would realize im not justifying the Army, or even commenting on the Armies actions in any way.
My point is to illustrate to some of those who were gloating a few weeks back, who believed that the election of Morsi was a denunciation of "Secularism" that they were dead wrong, and they should acknowledge such stupidity for what it is. It was pathetic seeing the ignorant falling all over each other in celebration of this supposed victory of "Islam" over "Godless Secularism." My foot!
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
^ the Secualrism you so proud of has no place in muslim nations that is why the people have been battling against the regimes for decades.
What the military is doing now by executing the people should make you shameful but people with no islam have no shame so not surprised by your crude comments.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
^ the Secualrism you so proud of has no place in muslim nations that is why the people have been battling against the regimes for decades.
What the military is doing now by executing the people should make you shameful but people with no islam have no shame so not surprised by your crude comments.
I think they were fighting the regime because the regime deprived people of basic human rights and treated their citizens like sh1t. Its wasnt secularism that failed, it dictatorship that failed. The Secularism that you dont even understand, is a proven success in socieites across the world. But your not smart enough to debate the point, so why even bother. Your just stupidly parroting the illiterate garbage you were fed without any understanding to consideration.
And your pseudo Islamic regime was no different from Mubarak, hence they were given the boot. People of Egypt have rejected you and your (actually your not even Egyptian lol) "Islamic" govt, so go home.
No Islam... LOL.. Islam ka tekadar. edit
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
Perhaps General Sisi was expecting garlands of flowers however he will not find it easy to impose his will as the reaction to his military coup is not subsiding.
He no general he is a coward a general is the one who protects the people and that fights against the enemy next door like Israel.
Instead he turned his army and told them to shoot to kill unarmed muslims in Egypt
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
I call people who are stupid with stupid ideas mental midgets. Its not that they disagree with me, I respect people who disagree with me have rational arguments and can prove me wrong. But people that are ignorant, and are willfully so, these people are mental midgets. Stupidity should not be rewarded with respect.
If you would read what I wrote, you would realize im not justifying the Army, or even commenting on the Armies actions in any way.
My point is to illustrate to some of those who were gloating a few weeks back, who believed that the election of Morsi was a denunciation of "Secularism" that they were dead wrong, and they should acknowledge such stupidity for what it is. It was pathetic seeing the ignorant falling all over each other in celebration of this supposed victory of "Islam" over "Godless Secularism." My foot!
Since when have you ever been convinced by a logical argument? It is not hard to try to turn the population against the Islamist. Even now most of the media is pro Sisi. People just want good, honest leaders who can address their concerns and improve the country. It may be that Morsi failed to deliver and his opponents and some vested interests exploited and highlighted his failures but still democracy is the way ahead for Egypt and Morsi should have fulfilled his term. Morsi should not have been removed.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
Since when have you ever been convinced by a logical argument? It is not hard to try to turn the population against the Islamist. Even now most of the media is pro Sisi. People just want good, honest leaders who can address their concerns and improve the country. It may be that Morsi failed to deliver and his opponents and some vested interests exploited and highlighted his failures but still democracy is the way ahead for Egypt and Morsi should have fulfilled his term. Morsi should not have been removed.
Present with me with alogical argument meri jaan and i will agree to it. So far its all conjecture and hearsay. Presenting an argument and claiming its the truth because it makes sense to you, and hence should make sense to me aswell by default, is not going to convince me or anyone else.
Exactly, people want good governance. Why did these Islamists start jumping up and down when Morsi was elected and declaring his election a victory over secularism? A bit premature if you ask me.
Sure he should have been allowed to fullfill his term, but according to most, he was as bad as the guy they ousted. So if they voted for change, why would they allow another mubarak to rule even if he is in Islamic garb?
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
the people ? don’t you mean military coup wow that’s very democratic in line with your hypocritical secular concepts.
Mubarak and his regime never left get over your self righteous ego.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
What is hypocritical about my secular concepts? None of what you post has anything to do with Secularism or democracy. You associate anything bad in the world as being a failing of Secular democracy. How dense is that?
It wasnt simply that Morsi and his party werent improving the economy, but the fact that they were as authoritarian as their predecessor..
Please read this article before you decide to talk again, it would help your credibility if you weren’t so misinformed and bias towards anything without an Islamic tag. A laundry list of complaints, by an actual Egyptian! Quite a long article on Morsis failing, so take your time.
“He assaulted the separation of powers by handpicking an allied prosecutor-general in a manner that defied the post-revolution national consensus of letting the judiciary nominate the candidate to such a role, and whose removal remained a strong divisive point in any attempt at national reconciliation. This controllable prosecutor-general, against which almost the entire prosecutorial corps protested and nearly succeeded in firing, was used quite clearly at will to go after the private media and the opposition as a direct extension of Morsi and the Brotherhood, while substantially legally shielding the Brotherhood at the same time.”
“Morsi and the Brotherood tightened control over state media and retained the nationally rejected role of information minister, already abolished briefly after the toppling of Hosni Mubarak. State-owned papers and channels were subjected to appointments of allied or controllable leaderships. The media often ran familiar propaganda-esque headlines that seemed taken out of the Mubarak days.”
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
^ ...make you shameful but people with no islam have no shame so not surprised by your crude comments.
Your hardly one to speak.
Consider this a warning, next time you insult me or question my faith, i will report you for abuse.
Re: Muslims wake up secular Democracy will never accept islam to rule, Egypt is proof
So no response to the article exposing the mubarak regime behind the coup i guess you had no answer.
regarding your shallow points on egypt and why you are a hypocrite.
a. like a deranged cheerleader you supported the military coup in egypt done at the behest of the secular opposition.
b. that makes you a hypocrite because you claim to support democratic secularism i.e majority wins which freedom justice party did win majority.
c. Freedom justice party foolishly participated in the secular politics in egypts and as predicted got removed for not being secular enough.
d. Everything tagged islamic is not what i follow blindly because not all is what it seems.
e. Your anti morsi rant just shows anything termed islamic burns you up, when this group even used the secular political system you so infatuated.
and finally you post anti islamic commentary in 100% of your posts you support the American wars on muslim lands, you are pro drone attacks on pakistan, you call any person who supports muslim a terrorist you want (anti islam) secular politics for the muslims and you ask why people question your belief geeez i wonder why?