jannu, i think i know what documentary ur talking about…very informative…thanx
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There is speculation that the map by Pir Muhiuddin Ra'is that shows parts of South America is actually inspired by even older maps of the Nabataeans, so we don't really know who got to the Americas first (in ships, by sea, that is)... Nabataeans were great traders (and were the main/direct predessors of Arab Muslims) - many stories of Muslim Arab traders in my opinion are inspired by Nabataean stories, in fact, muslims have inherited Middle Eastern trade routes and the legacy from the Nabataeans (including their writing script: What we call "Kufic").
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what a pointless thread
this reminds me of how black people think that the Ancient Egyptians were black which sort of makes them feel superior
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http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gXL-5uNUZirR8IgC01VdP-p6-tIQ
Might be of little relevence to the topic. but interesting nevertheless.
Glaciers blocked New World colonizers for 20,000 years: study
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CHICAGO (AFP) — The first human migration into the Americas was blocked by two massive glaciers which kept early settlers on the doorstep of the New World for about 20,000 years, a study published Wednesday has found.
The study, which used DNA analysis to trace genetic changes over generations and then compared it with the geological and archaeological record, is the latest to challenge the standard story of how the Americas were populated.
Instead of a steady migration out of Asia and across the Bering Strait by an initial group of a hundred or less big game hunters, this data shows a gradual and interrupted expansion by a much larger group of between 1,000 and 5,400 people in three distinct stages.
The early generations began to move out of Siberia into Beringia, which is now under the icy waters of the Bering Strait, about 40,000 years ago.
They settled into the dry grasslands, which was productive enough to support large mammals but not rich enough to support significant population growth, after their eastward progression was blocked by two massive glaciers which covered much of what is now Alaska and northern Canada.
“If you think about it, these people didn’t know they were going to a new world,” said study co-author Connie Mulligan, assistant director of the University of Florida Genetics Institute.
“They were moving out of Asia and finally reached a landmass that was exposed because of lower sea levels during the last glacial maximum, but two major glaciers blocked their progress into the New World. So they basically stayed put for about 20,000 years. It wasn’t paradise, but they survived.”
Two passages opened up as the ice sheets started to melt about 15,000 years ago and the initial settlers expanded rapidly into the more fertile lands in the Americas, the analysis showed.
Within about four of five thousand years the land bridge across the Bering Strait was swallowed by the ocean, blocking further expansion out of Asia.
“The idea that people were stuck in Beringia for a long time is obvious in retrospect, but it has never been promulgated,” said Henry Harpending an endowed chairman of anthropology at the University of Utah who was not involved with the research.
“But people were in that neighborhood before the last glacial maximum and didn’t get into North America until after it. It’s very plausible that a bunch of them were stuck there for thousands of years.”
The researchers were able to reach these conclusions by analyzing the DNA of geographically and linguistically diverse populations distributed throughout the Americas.
“This was the raw material, the original genetic source for all of the Americas,” said co-author Michael Miyamoto, associate chairman of zoology at the University of Florida.
They found two distinct population increases at around 40,000 years ago and 15,000 years ago which were separated by a long period of little to no growth.
The first was a gradual sevenfold population increase as the group expanded from Central Asia. The second was a rapid sixteenfold increase, supporting the theory of a gradual expansion out of Asia and a rapid expansion into the Americas.
They also found evidence of genetic changes which accumulated during the 20,000 year period when the population held steady while waiting for the ice to retreat.
“By looking at the kinds and frequencies of these mutations in modern populations, we can get an idea of when the mutations arose and how many people were around to carry them,” Miyamoto said.
The study was published in PLoS ONE, the journal of the Public Library of Science
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^^ so, if the land bridge ended 15,000 years ago, no muslims would have crossed it.
Exactly what I thought.
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This thread is almost as old the land bridge!
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what a pointless thread
this reminds me of how black people think that the Ancient Egyptians were black which sort of makes them feel superior
Well there is no wonder that nothing makes you proud of being a Muslim...besides having a muslim name (maybe!?!)
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Just a simple question..
Muslims discovered America. They discovered Europe. They were responsible for the extinction of dinosaurs.
Does this change anything. Does this change the plight of the average guy in the pakistani street. Just wonder why no great invention has been done from the muslim community in the last 100 years. It is OK to be proud of what your ancestors did, but then what do you guys have done to be proud of apart from suicide bombings
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Just a simple question..
Muslims discovered America. They discovered Europe. They were responsible for the extinction of dinosaurs.
Does this change anything. Does this change the plight of the average guy in the pakistani street. Just wonder why no great invention has been done from the muslim community in the last 100 years. It is OK to be proud of what your ancestors did, but then what do you guys have done to be proud of apart from suicide bombings
HOw about you look at Iran? They are an Islamic state as well...whats with Pakistan (after all the political turmoils we have managed to take part in R&D in almost every field). Whats with UAE and the unique infrastructure and fantastic buildings?
Apart of that almost every invention were from Muslims, which were afterwards "copied/stolen" by the Christians and labelled as their invention. Do you feel crying over history manipulated back then?
When we were made to believed that science has had Its birth in Europe? We read hear about the great Gallileos, Da Vincis, Dopplers, Einsteins have you ever read anything on Ibn- Battutas, Ibn-Sinas, Al-Battanis, Al-Kindis,Al-Zarawis at your school/college/Uni?
I havent. I had to read on this on my own.
And then they say Its not about religion and we dont differ between Muslims/Jews/Christians.
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^^ 
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^^
Please dont laugh ..Dont you realise that Albert Einstein was a muslim in disguise.
Louis Pateur was also a muslim. Who else...
They were all muslims but only that they were not able to publicly announce their religious affiliations..
How is that for a conspiracy theory.
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No answer from due to intellectual deficiency. It’s a reason why Pakistanis are so backwards.