Very interesting Article.
I wonder if it’s true?
Very Cool and interesting.
America belongs to Muslims.
**~~~Performace of good DEEDS avoids the evil ending.~~~
He, who advises for the GOOD, is similar (in rewards)to the doer of it.**
(Sahih Al-Jami 3797 & 3399 resp.)
What do u mean u “wonder if its true”??
Is this the first time you’ve heard of this??
This is common knowledger cooldude…the americans just dont like mentioning it
It is pretty common knowledge, americans do not mention it, but if you go to the archives of liberary of congress you will find several refrences.
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hk: This is the first i’ve heard of it - not too big on American History!
I’m sure it is true, but I don’t take things at face value. Now that you guys say that there is truth in it, i’m more likely to believe it
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On a similar note, Have you guys ever seen that film Gladiator? (the recent one)
They show them being victorious over the germans etc, but what they don’t show is that the muslim armies whipped their a***s (pardon my french). Shows how biased this world is against muslims..
Too afraid of the truth I think
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Here is a quote I heard on a documentary about muslim armies.. (some CIA leader i think)
“..How do you fight a people that aren’t even afraid of dying? It’s a glory for them to die fighting in their cause.. so how do you fight them?..”
I don't need to read the article to know that claim is ridiculous.
I am assuming, that when you say Muslims first in America, as Muslims to be the native people who crossed the Bering Straight.. As for that, the native people were not of any religion that is known today, but of primitive, Sun, polytheistic religion. This is because ini Canada we have suhc good contact with them.
There may have been 0.1% of Muslims in the Northern present-day Russia, Siberia at that time..
The Natives were the first in the America's.
Followed by the Nordic Vikings.
Columbus was VERY late in coming to America, in fact his own compadre Amarigio ( I believe his name, and Veraspucci) arrived in the Americas, off the coast of Florida before Columbus. Comlumbus was the first in the Caribbean.
If Muslims were the first in the US, they would have completely dominated the US at their birth. This is how the Jews dominate the US, because of their arrival to the US at early times as settlers and business-oweners. Many immigrated to Canada first, and then went south.
Arai
Hello arai read the following:
Digging for the Red Roots
by Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El
My name is Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El and I am a Cherokee Blackfoot American Indian who is Muslim. I am known as Eagle Sun Walker. I serve as a Pipe Carrier Warrior for the Northeastern Band of Cherokee Indians in New York City.
There are other Muslims in our group. For the most part, not many people are aware of the Native American contact with Islam that began over one thousand years ago by some of the early Muslim travelers who visited us. Some of these Muslim travelers ended up living among our people.
For most Muslims and non-Muslims of today, this type of information is unknown and has never been mentioned in any of the history books. There are many documents, treaties, legislation and resolutions that were passed between 1600s and 1800s that show that Muslims were in fact here and were very active in the comunities in which they lived. Treaties such as Peace and Friendship that was signed on the Delaware River in the year 1787 bear the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. This treaty details our continued right to exist as a community in the areas of commerce, maritime shipping, current form of government at that time which was in accordance with Islam. According to a federal court case from the Continental Congress, we help put the breath of life in to the newly framed constitution. All of the documents are presently in the National Archives as well as the Library of Congress.
If you have access to records in the state of South Carolina, read the Moors Sundry Act of 1790. In a future article, Inshallah, I will go in to more details about the various tribes, their languages; in which some are influenced by Arabic, Persian, Hebrew words. Almost all of the tribes vocabulary include the word Allah. The traditional dress code for Indian women includes the kimah and long dresses. For men, standard fare is turbans and long tops that come down to the knees. If you were to look at any of the old books on Cherokee clothing up until the time of 1832, you will see the men wearing turbans and the women wearing long head coverings. The last Cherokee chief who had a Muslim name was Ramadhan Ibn Wati of the Cherokees in 1866.
Cities across the United States and Canada bear names that are of Indian and Islamic derivation. Have you ever wondered what the name Tallahassee means? It means that He Allah will deliver you sometime in the future.
Article Taken from:
MESSAGE, July 1996
(Copyrights Message Magazine as long as proper acknowledgement has been stated, it can be reproduced)
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These people just can’t take the facts, they are so use to the falsehood that accepting truth is very hard for them.
Islam in America before Columbus
Hisham Zoubeir, 14 February 1998
Before I begin this article, I would like to extend my thanks to the creators of the Internet. It was there that I found my research on the topic that follows, and it is to the people who wrote the various articles and references that credit for this article should go to. I merely put two and two together for the benefit of those reading this now.
The history surrounding the followers of our proud faith is one of two shades; the truth and the lie. The lies surrounding our history have been spread to every corner of the globe; that we were and are (?) barbarians, no better than animals. The truth is that although there were certain parts of history that do show that some of our followers were ruthless and brutal (such as the Ottoman Empire), this is not unlike every nation and country in the world. And we have a much more worthy things to focus on.
Before the West declared themselves the great scientists of the earth, before their own Renaissance, Muslims already were making discoveries in science that took the West hundreds of years to even begin to imagine. What a shame that people in Europe were being persecuted by the Church for their suppositions that the earth was round; they should have come to the Islamic world— an Afghan Muslim had proved that in 793 C.E.!
However, the studying of the universe brought forth more questions, and more curiosity. The Muslims in West Africa were so intrigued by what was on the other side of the Great Sea, that they began their expeditions into the great unknown. Early reports of these travels are sketchy, but we can be sure that they crossed the Atlantic by 889 C.E.
That was 603 years before Columbus. And that is not counting the actual physical evidence in the United States today that dates back even further; however, we do know, as De Lacy O’Leary pointed out, that Muslims definitely had the scientific knowledge and skill to make journeys across the Atlantic ocean.
We were in the Americas, hundreds of years before Columbus, and of that we can be sure.
Clyde-Ahmad Winters. Barry Fell. Alexander Von Wuthenau. Ivan Van Sertima. What do they have in common? A lot. They all provided evidence to the above statement; and it is a statement of fact, not an opinion, although many have chosen to ignore it in the past.
Now, we are all aware of the grave tragedy that befell the various African people after the discovery of America. Many people from there were forcefully taken from their homes to America, to serve the people who had taken over that land. Black slavery. We also know, for a fact, that many of these people were indeed Muslims; that has never been in dispute, nor should it be. Clyde Ahmad Winters has given us details of how huge numbers of Muslims were brought to Latin America in a 1978 issue of Al-Ittihad: A Quarterly Journal of Islamic Studies, although later on in 1543, Muslims in Spanish colonies were ejected from them by the residing government.
Dr. Barry Fell, a noted New Zealand archaeologist and linguist of Harvard University showed detailed existing evidence in his work, “Saga America” that Muslims were not only in the Americas before Columbus arrived, but very active there as well. The language of the Pima people in the South West and the Algonquian language had many words in their vocabulary that were Arabic in origin, and Islamic petroglyphs were found in places such as California.
In the Inyo county of the State of California, according to Fell, there is another petroglyph that states, “Yasus bin Maria” which means in Arabic, “Jesus, son of Mary”. This is not a Christian phrase; in fact, the phrase is to be found in the verses and ayahs of the Holy Quran. This glyph, as Fell believes, is centuries older than the US. In the Western states of the US he found texts, diagrams and charts engraved on rocks that were used for schooling that dated back to 700-800 C.E. The schooling was in subjects such as mathematics, history, geography, astronomy and sea navigation. The language of instruction was Kufic Arabic, from North Africa.
The German art historian, Alexander Von Wuthenau, also provides evidence that Islamic peoples were in America, in the time between 300 and 900 C.E. This was at least half a millennium before Columbus was born! Carved heads, that were described as “Moorish-looking” were dated between 300 and 900 C.E. and another group of heads dated between 900 and 1500 C.E. An artifact found in the earlier group was photographed, and when later examined was found to resemble an old man in a Fez, like the Egyptians.
Ivan Van Sertima is widely renowned for his work, “They Came Before Columbus” which showed that there was definitely contact between the ancient and early African people with the Native Americans. This and another of his works, “African Presence in Early America” both prove that there were African Muslim settlements in the Americas, before the expedition of Columbus was even conceived. His research has shown that Arab Muslim trade was active in America and one can only imagine that the marvellous culture that the Native Americans had that shared so much with Islamic teachings was of great attraction to the Muslims that came so far across the sea.
And for the record, Christopher Columbus, the man who so-called discovered America, himself declared that his impression of the Carib people (i.e., Caribbean people) were “Mohemmedans.” He knew of the Mandinka presence in the New World (Muslims) and that Muslims from the West coast of Africa had settled down in the Carribean, Central, South and North America. Unlike Columbus, they had not come to enslave the populations or plunder the land; they had come to trade and they married among the Natives. Columbus further admitted that on October 21st, 1492, as he was sailing past Gibara on the coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque, and remnants of other masjids have been found in Cuba, Mexico, Texas and Nevada.
On the second voyage Columbus took to the West Indies, the people of Haiti told him that “black” people had been there before him. They showed him spears of these visitors, and further study of the metals involved in their construction showed that they could have been made only in one place: Guinea.
Another historian, P.V. Ramos, also showed in his essay in “African Presence in Early America” that the dietary regulations of the Carib were similar to Islamic teachings.
But let us say that we are wrong. Perhaps it is all just a coincidence; after all, there are no living survivors of the Native American Muslims, are they?
Wrong. And this last part is what originally drew me into this quest for knowledge: an exposé written by a Native Muslim.
Brother Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El wrote in his account, recently posted on the Internet, about the Native Americans that were Muslims. He is of the Cherokee tribe; known as Eagle Sun Walker, and a Pipe Carrier Warrior of the Cherokees in New York. He tells of Muslim travellers that came to his land over one thousand years ago, and what is more important, existing evidence of legislation, treaties and resolutions that prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt that Muslims were in the Americas and very active. Although these documents have not been written after 1492, it is still interesting to note that Islam was in fact there. The Treaty of Peace and Friendship of 1787 have the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Mohammed Bin Abdulla. According to a federal court case from the Continental Congress,
Native Muslims helped put life into the constitution.
These are a matter of record; they cannot be disputed. Go to the National Archives or the Library of Congress and see for yourself; the Treat of 1987 show that the Natives abided by an Islamic system in commerce, maritime shipping and government. The records of the State of Carolina has the Moors Sundry Act of 1790. The Cherokee Chief of 1866 was a man called Ramadhan Bin Wati. Native clothing up until 1832 was full Islamic wear. The name Tallahassee actually means," Allah will deliver you sometime in the future." In North America, there are no less than 565 names of tribes, villages, cities, mountains and other lands sites of Islamic or Arabic roots.
The truth of Islam and the truth of the Native American culture is one and the same; many people hundreds of years ago realised that. The protection of the land and of the animals; the non-wastage of resources and the non-pollution of nature are all Islamic concepts.
I finish this article with a few Native sayings. And then, I want you to tell me that Islam is not nurtured in the hearts of these people.
“Our belief is that the Great Spirit has created all things. Not just mankind but animals, all plants, all rocks, all on earth and amongst the stars with true soul. For us, all life is holy. All of nature is within us and we are part of all nature.” Chief White Cloud
“What is life? It is the flash of a firefly in the night.” Crowfoot
“In the life of the Indian there was only one inevitable duty- the duty of prayer - the daily recognition of the Unseen and the Eternal.” Ohiyesa
Allahu akbar. Salaam wa allaykum wa rakhmatullah wa barakatu.
When this article was written] Hisham Zoubeir is at the University of Sheffield undertaking a multi-disciplinary degree in law. He has lived in Abu Dhabi, Cairo and London. His main interests delves into peace, equality, righteousness and spirituality.
Good luck. Take it easy, like it is.
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Very good article watcher, did you get to read the one I posted.
What does people of the world think about the Islamic civilization, It is one of the greatest civilizations, just because of our temporary set back of today, there is no reason not to acknowledge the greatness of Islamic civilization. The truth is the Western Renaissance is one of the preludes of the greatness of Islamic Civilization. The very numbering system the people of the world use is Arabic. So accept the greatness of this civilazation.
Yes. The temporary setback of today is caused by these zionots and other enemies of Islam. They are the obstcles in the way of Islam and in the way of weaker Muslims. Other major cause is our letting go out quran and teachings of prophet. We do not follow quran or sunnah yet we tend to follow the local mosques and Imaams, that is the cause # one!!!
For example: If we all pay zakat, there will be NO poor among the Muslims. There are many other things we should do, but we do not. Instead we die to defend the creations of our grandfathers and ancestors and do not defend the teachings of Prophet.
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
Also read "Future is for Islam", What Allah (SWT) has willed for this Ummah.
Under Religion
Who is the Author?
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RE: Future is For Islam
I went thru lots of material and then compiled it my self, the actual text is quite long but for keeping people's interest I only posted a short version. It was a speech I had prepared to deliver at one of the Mosque of ISGH (Islamic Society of Greater Houston)
By taking one Cherokee Black foot Indian as being Muslim, you assume all were Muslim?
That is ridiculous to say, they're many CHRISTIAN Indians also. Was Christianity the first in America? DEFINITELY NOT! They were simply converts. As those American Indians may have been. You must remember, when Columbus brought his men to the new world, as well as many of the other explorers. They were provided with many convicts and criminals, because the Royalty of each country didn't want to risk prestigous people for a voyage to a land that is uncharted. It could be very well, that of those men aboard the ship could have been muslim. No doubt aboujt that, in Spain at that time, to be Muslim was a crime itself, after the Christians overthrew the Muslim government in the early 1400's. Many other European countries imprisoned Muslims and other non-Christian/Catholics, and many of them have the possibility of being on those ships.
As for Islam arriving on it's own, and before and without the help of the explorers is ridiculous. That native indian, could have just been a convert, as many of the native indians became converts to Christians are still Christians today.
In addition. And, this will stump all of your theories on Islam being the first religion in America.
The natives arrived MUCH EARLIER than Islam's invent, even before Christianity. The natives crossed the bering straight, before 5000 BC (during the Glacier age, afterall their was no 'ice bridge' aftert he glacier years.. Bering straight is simply a channel now). And they also had their religions, being Polythesitic, Sun/Moon, Animal based.
Key facts. The natives could only arrive here, through the Bering Straight, which had to be made of ICE at that time. Only time when the Bering straight was of ice, was doing the great glacier age. That was WELL before the advent of any known religions of today. Any claim of any modern religion, or abrahamical religion being in this continent is simply an uneducated claim. Simple as that. And, if you need proof. Just simply type in Bering Straight in any search engine, and it'll give you the details!
later
Arai
Arai, you are missing the whole point. Who said Muslims were the FIRST? The topic gently suggests, “MUSLIMS IN THE AMERICAS BEFORE COLUMBUS”
That is BEFORE columbus, and not before the natives who crossed Alaska…do you get it? Anyway, you go to Museums in virginia and other places, you will see the facts.
BTW: Did you read all of the articles, or just trying hard to differ because it involes Muslims/Islam?
Take it easy sir.
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arai..
there was trade between africa and south and North america even in the times of Pharoahs... Muslims were not the only ones..
if you so no way jose
how come they have found head statues which are definately African facial features in Aztec and Inca cities..
You are saying Africans were not smart enough to do it even though they had better understanding of travelling with stars as guides than the europeans were..
Do you also know that Vasco de Gama had a Musim guide to show him they way to India? Most probably so did Columbus.. one of the 'convicts' you mentioned.
Why are you guys trying to convince Aria, if she has decided to close her eyes in bright sunlight and calling it night-time, then let her.
Some people just argue for the sake of arguing, they will never beleive the facts, since it does not agree with their version of facts.
Arai, i dont know what you're so bitter at muslims for but this is a FACT, WESTERN/AMERICAN historians will admit it. I cant believe you're actually rejecting it. Its COMMON knowledge....sorry, but its so shocking to hear you say that claim is false. Its like you telling me the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it!!
Muslims were in North America before Columbus...centuries before him.....they even introduced some of the middle eastern fruits to this continent..
If thats not enough, many of the names of places in North America are known to have been Arabic and were corrupted...eg. Hawaii
U can stick to your stubborn view Arai, but im going to post some more articles here regarding this...for CoolDude and others who are interested.
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It is very true Muslims discovered America before Columbus, it is a fact, it does not matter whather people believe or not, it will not change the facts. A fact is a fact.
Very true Musalman, a fact is a fact, wether you accept it or not…only reflects your state of mind.
Anyway, here’s a good article.
READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE OR DONT MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT ALL!!
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Islam in America before Columbus
Hisham Zoubeir, 14 February 1998
The history surrounding the followers of our proud faith is one of two shades; the truth and the lie. The lies surrounding our history have been spread to every corner of the globe; that we were and are (?) barbarians, no better than animals. The truth is that although there were certain parts of history that do show that some of our followers were ruthless and brutal (such as the Ottoman Empire), this is not unlike every nation and country in the world. And we have a much more worthy things to focus on.
Before the West declared themselves the great scientists of the earth, before their own Renaissance, Muslims already were making discoveries in science that took the West hundreds of years to even begin to imagine. What a shame that people in Europe were being persecuted by the Church for their suppositions that the earth was round; they should have come to the Islamic world— an Afghan Muslim had proved that in 793 C.E.!
However, the studying of the universe brought forth more questions, and more curiosity. The Muslims in West Africa were so intrigued by what was on the other side of the Great Sea, that they began their expeditions into the great unknown. Early reports of these travels are sketchy, but we can be sure that they crossed the Atlantic by 889 C.E.
That was 603 years before Columbus. And that is not counting the actual physical evidence in the United States today that dates back even further; however, we do know, as De Lacy O’Leary pointed out, that Muslims definitely had the scientific knowledge and skill to make journeys across the Atlantic ocean.
We were in the Americas, hundreds of years before Columbus, and of that we can be sure.
Clyde-Ahmad Winters. Barry Fell. Alexander Von Wuthenau. Ivan Van Sertima. What do they have in common? A lot. They all provided evidence to the above statement; and it is a statement of fact, not an opinion, although many have chosen to ignore it in the past.
Now, we are all aware of the grave tragedy that befell the various African people after the discovery of America. Many people from there were forcefully taken from their homes to America, to serve the people who had taken over that land. Black slavery. We also know, for a fact, that many of these people were indeed Muslims; that has never been in dispute, nor should it be. Clyde Ahmad Winters has given us details of how huge numbers of Muslims were brought to Latin America in a 1978 issue of Al-Ittihad: A Quarterly Journal of Islamic Studies, although later on in 1543, Muslims in Spanish colonies were ejected from them by the residing government.
Dr. Barry Fell, a noted New Zealand archaeologist and linguist of Harvard University showed detailed existing evidence in his work, “Saga America” that Muslims were not only in the Americas before Columbus arrived, but very active there as well. The language of the Pima people in the South West and the Algonquian language had many words in their vocabulary that were Arabic in origin, and Islamic petroglyphs were found in places such as California.
In the Inyo county of the State of California, according to Fell, there is another petroglyph that states, “Yasus bin Maria” which means in Arabic, “Jesus, son of Mary”. This is not a Christian phrase; in fact, the phrase is to be found in the verses and ayahs of the Holy Quran. This glyph, as Fell believes, is centuries older than the US. In the Western states of the US he found texts, diagrams and charts engraved on rocks that were used for schooling that dated back to 700-800 C.E. The schooling was in subjects such as mathematics, history, geography, astronomy and sea navigation. The language of instruction was Kufic Arabic, from North Africa.
The German art historian, Alexander Von Wuthenau, also provides evidence that Islamic peoples were in America, in the time between 300 and 900 C.E. This was at least half a millennium before Columbus was born! Carved heads, that were described as “Moorish-looking” were dated between 300 and 900 C.E. and another group of heads dated between 900 and 1500 C.E. An artifact found in the earlier group was photographed, and when later examined was found to resemble an old man in a Fez, like the Egyptians.
Ivan Van Sertima is widely renowned for his work, “They Came Before Columbus” which showed that there was definitely contact between the ancient and early African people with the Native Americans. This and another of his works, “African Presence in Early America” both prove that there were African Muslim settlements in the Americas, before the expedition of Columbus was even conceived. His research has shown that Arab Muslim trade was active in America and one can only imagine that the marvellous culture that the Native Americans had that shared so much with Islamic teachings was of great attraction to the Muslims that came so far across the sea.
And for the record, Christopher Columbus, the man who so-called discovered America, himself declared that his impression of the Carib people (i.e., Caribbean people) were “Mohemmedans.” He knew of the Mandinka presence in the New World (Muslims) and that Muslims from the West coast of Africa had settled down in the Carribean, Central, South and North America. Unlike Columbus, they had not come to enslave the populations or plunder the land; they had come to trade and they married among the Natives. Columbus further admitted that on October 21st, 1492, as he was sailing past Gibara on the coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque, and remnants of other masjids have been found in Cuba, Mexico, Texas and Nevada.
On the second voyage Columbus took to the West Indies, the people of Haiti told him that “black” people had been there before him. They showed him spears of these visitors, and further study of the metals involved in their construction showed that they could have been made only in one place: Guinea.
Another historian, P.V. Ramos, also showed in his essay in “African Presence in Early America” that the dietary regulations of the Carib were similar to Islamic teachings.
But let us say that we are wrong. Perhaps it is all just a coincidence; after all, there are no living survivors of the Native American Muslims, are they?
Wrong. And this last part is what originally drew me into this quest for knowledge: an exposé written by a Native Muslim.
Brother Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El wrote in his account, recently posted on the Internet, about the Native Americans that were Muslims. He is of the Cherokee tribe; known as Eagle Sun Walker, and a Pipe Carrier Warrior of the Cherokees in New York. He tells of Muslim travellers that came to his land over one thousand years ago, and what is more important, existing evidence of legislation, treaties and resolutions that prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt that Muslims were in the Americas and very active. Although these documents have not been written after 1492, it is still interesting to note that Islam was in fact there. The Treaty of Peace and Friendship of 1787 have the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Mohammed Bin Abdulla. According to a federal court case from the Continental Congress,
Native Muslims helped put life into the constitution.
These are a matter of record; they cannot be disputed. Go to the National Archives or the Library of Congress and see for yourself; the Treat of 1987 show that the Natives abided by an Islamic system in commerce, maritime shipping and government. The records of the State of Carolina has the Moors Sundry Act of 1790. The Cherokee Chief of 1866 was a man called Ramadhan Bin Wati. Native clothing up until 1832 was full Islamic wear. The name Tallahassee actually means," Allah will deliver you sometime in the future." In North America, there are no less than 565 names of tribes, villages, cities, mountains and other lands sites of Islamic or Arabic roots.
The truth of Islam and the truth of the Native American culture is one and the same; many people hundreds of years ago realised that. The protection of the land and of the animals; the non-wastage of resources and the non-pollution of nature are all Islamic concepts.
I finish this article with a few Native sayings. And then, I want you to tell me that Islam is not nurtured in the hearts of these people.
“Our belief is that the Great Spirit has created all things. Not just mankind but animals, all plants, all rocks, all on earth and amongst the stars with true soul. For us, all life is holy. All of nature is within us and we are part of all nature.” Chief White Cloud
“What is life? It is the flash of a firefly in the night.” Crowfoot
“In the life of the Indian there was only one inevitable duty- the duty of prayer - the daily recognition of the Unseen and the Eternal.” Ohiyesa
Allahu akbar. Salaam wa allaykum wa rakhmatullah wa barakatu.