So we are racists it sounds very funny coming from the people who believe people of different religious background cannot live together, countries should be divided on the basis of religion and it is okay to call people 'Kaffirs' to dehumanize them.
rani,
muhtermah, first i answered u ur that idae of why we cant live togather means muslim + hindu, i gave u the answer of ur question, thats y we cant live togather, and now ur second question that y we muslim calls u "kafer". its very simple. kafer means who doesnt belive our allah and at his prophets, prophet eisa ' jessis" mosa " moses , and prophet muhamed(pbuh) and other prophets etc. kafer also means who rejects his(allah)'s nature, and believe thousands of gods. so if u r hinduu y u feel ashamed to call herself kafer, cuz thats ur belief at thousands of god. i m zar leo give u a "davet" accept to islam and become a muslim and accept my allah's 'message of peace(islam) and we will not call u kafer.
and tell me. it is nt offance, just an example if we dont call devil" shaitan" than what we call him. so we call that person kafer, who doesnt believe our allah and his prophets. thats all.
oh muslim brothers lets pray to our mighty allah.
oh mighty allah plz open rani 's hart and show her the right way of islam. plz forgive us for our sins. no doubt u r the one who running this universe and u know every secrets of our harts.
God doesn't punish anybody or discriminates aganist people because they worship him in different way regardless of what your book tells you.
By calling people Kaffir you are trying to dehumanize them so that it is easy to hate them or kill them- a very common strategy adopted in a war - dehumanize the enemy then you can kill it without any feeling of guilt.
I don't expect you to understand this, it is too deep for you.
the only thing deep here is the hole in ur head maam. 300 million shoodars need no more dehumanization. they are already more dehumanized than any human being can ever be. the millions of devdasies are also up there when it comes to being dehumanized.
kafirs we killed had habits of burning their widows, burrying their newborn daughters alive… and turning shoodar women into prostituting devdasies and screwing millions of shoodars in everyway possible. Heck, look around you, it even goes on today.
such kafirs deserved the treatment they got from Muslim rulers… i wish they had done a better job at it… instead they fell hard for those devdasies. hopefully Ghories of today wont.
rani,
muhtermah, i m sure that what i said it is deep for u and very easy too. if u understand that and if didnt than it is deep. first of all we muslim didnt said any thing by self not even invent this word kafer. Quran the most solid text in the world, allah used that turm kafer for non belivers. if u have any doubt about quran majeed. than research it. last year a german catholic church research at quran they collect the 93 qurans from differant islamic counteries and when they studied those there was no differance between there text and even in zaber or zare.
so dear if have some point bring it. we will talk. and tell u one more thing, how many time pakistan attack at india too kill ur kafers. always ur army cross the border first we always defand our self, and if u talk about past then tell u about that too.
the way we muslim fight with kafers is
1. we muslim give u "davet" offer to accept the message of allah "islam", and than u r our brothers.
if u dont want that way.
2.we offer u to give us "jezia" and u r in our "penah" protection. we take responsibility to protect u from any problem.
if you still dont want that way.
3.we muslim offer u a war by the order of allah and who will win, he will rule.
thats the way it is
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rani,
muhtermah, u asked lots of questions and i gave u the answer. now i ask u a question.
where is ur humanity gone when ur kafer soldiers kill muslim like insect in kashmir, and in indian. where is ur humanity, when kafer kill sikhs, christians, and mislims , and low cast hinduus in india . that time u pplz forget ur humanity cuz muslims christians, sikhs , and low cast hinduus, died.
we muslim rule one thousand years at india, but u kafers are still in majority. have u ever think y. think about it and bring some positive points. give me the answer, if u have any, if u dont have any than accept islam by the blessing of my allah.
[This message has been edited by Zar Leo (edited July 10, 2000).]
Sarda-rani ji,
as it has already been pointed out that kafir refers to non-beleivers..those who dont believe in Islamic teaching....
Kafir means one who refutes...if u dont refute the message of Islam than we shall be very happy to call u Muslim...
other name used for non muslims is mushrik...one who makes other gods besides allah...these are just names to refer to ppl other than muslim....
BUT see what muslims are called in india
" Malicchh".....which means dirty ..
i guess thats ok b/c u guys have the divine right to insult other....let me do comparision once more
muslims use Kafir = one who does not beleive
hindus (not sikhs) use Malicchh = dirty
who is using abusive word....use ur head
Fraudia, I am aware of Muslim achievements in medieveal era. However, if u look at 19 or 20th century, there is simply no comparison between Muslims and Jews. And if u factor in very small population of Jews, there is no comparison with achievemenys of Jews with any other religion including christians. That is why i said that u can not find a muslim scientist in last 300 years who is qualified to tie the shoes of Einstein.
going bit off the topic, but my observation is that institutes and places where scientific research really booms are one which have little restrictions. The more restrictive the society is, the less is scope for creativity. Eastern societies are way too restrictive. asking too many questions is discouraged and questioning social setup and religion is taboo. Now u can develope a person to think critically and find mistakes when it comes to science but follow blindly when it comes to anything else.
The past shapes the future ZZ...you dont wana admit something, well say it like a man that you dont, dont hide behind excuse and fire from backs of jews and non-muslims. I guess this post needs some Jaawani in it. Will do, will do soon.
HARooN
HARooN>>>Chorr chori se jaye...haira-pehrii se na jaye<<< :)
anyone who remains in past has no future. talk to a muslim, of his miserabe condition in science, technology, finance, name it and all u hear is past. Christians colonized entire world but u dont hear them talking about it. the way Islamic world is progressing things are going to get worse.
How can free and creative thinkers manage in the lands of fatwabaaz.
cc "zz"
i glad u back but where is the answer of my questions, u r just "alaping" the alarm of ur jews dear, i accept that they did development in various fields, and we know well that. Mr. iqbal also saying to muslim that, but u couldnt understood , cuz u do " reta " one word rasict and hate to muslim. i know u still not gonna talk at point, and u ll bring some "b.s" and gonna start here with hate us.
first u gotta answer of my question dear at first page. than i ll talk with u further.
cc "zz"
and tell me one thing.
we muslims.
our history is just 1400 years old
what about u and ur fallow jews.
jews are 5000 years old nation.
hinduuu are more than 5000 years old.
we muslim just in 1400 years are all over the world, and where are u hinduus and jews.
just in india and isreal.
u proud at ur inventions.
so tell u
we muslim done also inventions in 1400 years period.
tell me
who invent tele scope.
who invent algebra.
who invent lettitude and longitude.
who was the person. who invent commandoo techtic in war.
who made the taj mahel.
who did first surgery of human body.
we have more inventions.
check my all question in history u ll find one word that they all muslim 's inventions.
and u hinduus what u invent, idels"botts'
jews can proud at there inventions.
hinduus what u can proud at.
when we muslim came first in south asia.
we found u naked, illetrate and taught u how to dressed and live like civilized
but u never learned.
even today when u have no excuse still ur attom bomb maker is muslim
Dr abul kalam.
and if we muslim are today at aniclimax. than this is the part of game .
nobody always at the top.
today west.
tommarow we ll.
pelat ker jepatna, jepatna ker pelatna.
lahoo gheram rekhnay ka hai ek behana.
(iqbal)
In reply to Zar Leo,
I dont know about the relevance of these few inventions to state of muslims nowadays. there r milllions of inventions and taj mahel is not even in 7 wondrers of world as many people think. I dont know who is Abdul kalam if he is by any chance Abdul Salam even he has no relevance to Pakistan's atomic program as he worked in string theories.
The only point on which muslim league was able to convince for Pakistans creation was that 99 % of muslims in India were converted and were actually from Indian soil and they were not foreigners as Zar Leo is implying.
Billions of dollars r pouring in India due to software industry. Kerala has 100 % literacy rate.
We should try to eradicate evils from our society and should not blame others for our failures but work hard to achieve something.
well,
rani and degas,
i think u ppl realy feelin embaressed after these facts, but i never meant that.
rani u said this is joke so dear see ur old munders and open ur eyes wide and see what kind of art is there mean scluptures and naked boots ur gods. u can check history, but may be u not gonna do that. so just check ur munders. it is easy for u.
and degas.
man y should talk to u. a person who even dont know who is the father of indian atom bomb. and the person who is sayin those invention just ordainary. i just mention some of them invention not all. i gotta feeling after reading ur post that u should chill. so chilllllllllll dear.
and ur IT industery in india . well u guys doin good. i m not gonna say like u that it is few.
it is a differance between u and us muslim, that we never jalus like u do.
You are sooooo funny. You didn't answer my question where did you guys come from? BTW, cover yourself very well with Chodar, Burka and whatever you have at home, otherwise evil hindus will get you.
well
rani first of all dear, hinduu never cant get us. but u have to care ful from muslims. bcuz i afraid u ppl gonna do suicide after defeat like ur prithvi raj chohan did , after he defeated by shehabudin ghuri. so deer becare full.
the question we muslim where we came from.
we came from middle east and central asia, and rule ur hinduu ass one thousand years.
i know u still not gonna believe it, cuz thats ur "kum zerfi". than i have another way to make u believe u.
before i m goin to tell u. the first thing is lots hinduus also became muslim cuz of our fair religion. but u ll see most of muslims in pakistan there color are differant from hinduus and even there hieght, those muslim 's ancecters came from middle east and from centeral asia. even my american teacher told me that , pakistanis iranians and middle eastren ppl are alike.
but there are lots of ppl who accept islam in india and became our brothers. first muslim came in india from middle east "muhammed bin qasim" he kick at ur raja daher ass in sindh, did u forget. i think , hinduus "berahmen" should never forget him. cuz he is the one who first planted the seed of islam and open the door of south asia for muslims.