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^ we dont care in the least what u think and what u want to do with ur life ...all we want 2 know is how u can call urself a muslim when u dont even follow the first tenent of islam ?
being born in a muslim family does not automatically make u a muslim
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who wrote the divine laws??? Men, men, men and more men, all mortal. when were these laws written? before the age of englightenment. what was society like back then? exactly. Civil law over divine law. Divine law is very much rooted in tribal mysticism and tribal mentality. present tribal mentality versus present day civil mentality. vast difference!!!!! T he former crude, rude and ignorant.
what about a woman's right to equal inheritance. in islamic law she is short changed.
why does it have to be two women to testify against one male in islamic law?
divine law of saudi arabia ? really defecates on a woman's rights as an equal counterpart to a man.
so don't go preaching divine law is something greater or wonderful as we know man wrote it before age of enlightenement.
yes , divine law sure demeans and debases a woman's human rights. no wonder it's mostly men who like to challenge me as a muslim. because I have the basic human right not to submit just cause some cleric told me so. civil law gives me more rights , any where, any time and any place.
And human rights are not based on divine law but civil , humanistic idealogy.
Divine law may have been conveyed by men, but it was not made by them. This is what I believe as a Muslim. This statement of yours reminds me of an incident that took place a couple of months ago. A French Canadian woman once questioned my wife as to why she wore burqa. My wife told her that she does so by her own free will. Then she asked me why I don't wear a scarf, so I told her that it's not required for men to do so. Then she asked me who makes those rules and asked if it's men who make them. Then she started telling me about how women were also required to wear scarves in Quebec not so long ago due to the influence of the church and that it was the men making those rules, but now they're changing the rules and women don't have to wear scarves anymore. Then I told her that the laws that we follow are given to us by Allah, and we're never going to change them. She then seemed satisfied by that and thanked us for enlightening her.
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You want to be find lies elsewhere but in Islam. So you admit lies do exist within islam you just we to turn a blind eye and look elsewhere? ...............
I am surprised that you twisted my sentences to make you look good or feel good about yourself.
Where did I say there is lie in Islam????
You will not find it so do not waste your time..thats what I meant.
Also try not to confuse yourself with social injustice and islam. SA and Somalia women have injustice not because Islam told them so.
Our problem is that we have so called islamic scholars who make things up and those who are lazy and do not read Quran and life of the prophet (SAW) follow these false scholars and there are people like you who blame Islam for it.
Same rules for women exist in other religions my friend. People just do no folow them but know that hey are doing something against their religious teaching.
There are many many examples where women were given due respect by Islam and where existing society did all the wrong doings against women.
Just read and study with open mind.
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................. And to another poster: Thanks for the pedophilia definition. So it's okay then for a 45 year old woman to have sex with an 8 year old boy??????
The poster clearly wrote the criteria. Did you miss reading his post?
What do you think where your example would fit???
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it is sad. But single mothers don't have to suffer, they can get abortion. It's the children who suffer the most but unlike in islamic countries there is much aid given to these mothers in the west. Parenting classes, continuation of education support and financial support etc etc. A woman in Islamic country what does she get if she becomes a single mother? stoning, death, shunning from community. You choose. The evil upon a muslim pregnant teenager who is not married is evil , evil , evil for She truly suffers !!!!!!!
The major difference , in the west a teenage mother has the freedoms to make stupid choices OR smart choices for herself unlike in many muslim countries where the female has no freedoms and stupidity is done to her without consent. Marrry her off at age eight if she bleeds and to breed to some old fart of 45 plus years. What about laughing with friends, education, going on dates, to parties, dancing , .
So you are fine with 10 years old single mothers but you have problem if they're married and living with their husband and getting all the rights?
Childhood is so brief compared to life span its atrocious anyone even attempts to defend this diabolic sin against a little girl. In the old days people bred so they could have many children to be labourers for family support. There was no childhood.
Ofcourse there was but it wasn't extended.
See the laughing teenage girl going off to school , dances and parties and pursuing a dream of going to university and getting a decent job one day and then compare it to the 8 year old girl married to some old bloke , pregnant, cooking , cleaning and nightly being sexually assaulted against her will. Whose life would you choose to have Hareem01? WHich life would you choose for you daughter if you have one?? A nurturing mother who wishes the best for her daughter today would choose which one???????
Neither. I will choose the best lifestyle based on Islamic principles.
And we all know the majority of teenage pregnancies in the west are from the low ecomonic socio scale predominately of a certain race where the appeal to keep being a baby mama by several different fathers is acceptable to them as long as the welfare cheque keeps rolling in. But then in the polygamist approved religions you have many immigrant women 'married ' off to the same man and he permits welfare payments for his off spring.
And in todays enlightened , educated society to even defend or excuse an old goat of 45 marrying a child 8 years of age is purely sick. Whether by religious belief or not. Proves one thing religion and religious indoctrination does support criminal conduct in face of acceptable standards of adult versus child.
1) Until last century it was acceptable for a 10 years old girl to be a housewife.
2) Until last century it was acceptable for a 10 years old boy to be working outside.
Because children in past became mature at an early age unlike today.
Is that clear?
The rocker Jerry Lee Lewis also married a 13 year old for your information. Either way people concerned for child welfare and child endangerment find these practices of old ignorant societies detrimental and abhorrent and to be abolished and rightly so .
Was Ariel Durant ignorant?
Marrying a child of 10 years is disgusting, and if that was my grandmother I would feel sad , very sad her childhood was stolen instead of glorifying she was sold into marriage at age of 10 . **Did she have the absolute maturity to consent with full awareness? **What was practiced during period of ignorance and peasant ignorance who had no resources to formal education toward a better life except studying their religion is no excuse for today. No mention how old your grandfather was. Perhaps indeed he is a pedo based on today's rights and welfare of children.
Yes.
Perhaps your grand grand father was a pedo too.......well, we have something common between us.
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Divine law may have been conveyed by men, but it was not made by them. This is what I believe as a Muslim. This statement of yours reminds me of an incident that took place a couple of months ago. A French Canadian woman once questioned my wife as to why she wore burqa. My wife told her that she does so by her own free will. Then she asked me why I don't wear a scarf, so I told her that it's not required for men to do so. Then she asked me who makes those rules and asked if it's men who make them. Then she started telling me about how women were also required to wear scarves in Quebec not so long ago due to the influence of the church and that it was the men making those rules, but now they're changing the rules and women don't have to wear scarves anymore. Then I told her that the laws that we follow are given to us by Allah, and we're never going to change them. She then seemed satisfied by that and thanked us for enlightening her.
Well it just proves when you remove indoctrination and absolute submissionand allow for mass education leading to critical analysis and questioning religion does not evolve and women don't remain remain supressed and subjugated. The woman who lives in Quebec is a perfect example of how her faith evolved and old tribal , ignorant mysogynistic influences had no place in society. Just like I was enlightened that muslim can be more then prostrated , indoctrinated and subjugated by some written rules and divine laws created by man and man alone. It will happen to more muslims as they increase their education in science, technology, arts, culture, sport , theatre etc. I have seen it in my community . And we are out there.
And it will change otherwise the educated and enlightened will gleefully join the famous apostates with conviction of moral right and human right as it is the only way toward a progressive and enlightened society ,*** globally***
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So you are fine with 10 years old single mothers but you have problem if they're married and living with their husband and getting all the rights?
Ofcourse there was but it wasn't extended.
Neither. I will choose the best lifestyle based on Islamic principles.
1) Until last century it was acceptable for a 10 years old girl to be a housewife.
2) Until last century it was acceptable for a 10 years old boy to be working outside.
Because children in past became mature at an early age unlike today.
Is that clear?
Was Ariel Durant ignorant?
Yes. Perhaps your grand grand father was a pedo too.......well, we have something common between us.
so you promte child labour what a good muslim
you promote little girls to old men , pedophilia practice what a good muslim
society is evolved and human rights and childrens rights trump over any religoin. Human rights is greater then any religion created by man or any practice which inteferes with civil rights, and the the pursuit of decent life.
if this makes me less of a muslim then I am proud , proud that i am not that kind of a muslim.
if you want to live in the past where children were enslaved and defend the practice to be continued today well i am so soory you have been so indoctrinated . Tell me , if you have a daughter at age 10 would you marry her to an old man of 45 or would you wish her to have a life and pursue and educaton and be self reliant.. A real life not a muslim life of by gone era where such a girl remained ignorant and suffered because she was brainwashed it is Allah's will to submit to a man without question.
why do muslims have a heard time accepting its a females human right to be educated, posess free will, be confident and independent? There is definitely a problem within the islamic mentality and countries.
My grandfather was 28 years of age and my grandmother 26 . They actually met in a train. So , sorry to dissappoint , I have no perverts in my family who would think pedophilia is acceptable. Not even today. So HareemO@ you go ahead and if you have a little girl of 10 , there is a single guy down the street surely in your neighborhood of about 45 , 50 needing a wife. But I suppose our family has always persued higher learning and human rights and social enlightenment.
shame , shame , shame , and you wonder why the west is Islamophobic? many valid reasons within this thread.
Religion does defend horrendous violations against children , that's the trouble of with religion. Christopher Hitchen and Hirsi Ali at least put it in print for mass reading and enlightenment. Kudos to their bravery and insight and pursuit for a better world order. Such religious supported thinking has no place in the 21st century.
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I am surprised that you twisted my sentences to make you look good or feel good about yourself.
Where did I say there is lie in Islam????
You will not find it so do not waste your time..thats what I meant.
Also try not to confuse yourself with social injustice and islam. SA and Somalia women have injustice not because Islam told them so. Our problem is that we have so called islamic scholars who make things up and those who are lazy and do not read Quran and life of the prophet (SAW) follow these false scholars and there are people like you who blame Islam for it.
Same rules for women exist in other religions my friend. People just do no folow them but know that hey are doing something against their religious teaching.
There are many many examples where women were given due respect by Islam and where existing society did all the wrong doings against women.
Just read and study with open mind.
Better then twisted Islamic teachings in a modern world.
Freedom for women
Independence for women
Rights for children
No marriage of children to old men
Human rights
Democracy.
Not anti islam but pro human. and if in your eyes i am not muslim enough well its because I got an education not submissive in doctrination.
Human rights are superior to any religious law.
Well , if you see the corruption that exists within islamic society perhaps its time to change how islam is practiced instead of defending islam. as the root problems are because of islamics continuing such practices as the will of Allah.
I am doing my bit. I am out there ruffling feathers, promoting Ali, Manji, Taslim, etc etc . Just a humble , university educated modern islamic female promoting rights for women and children.
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Peace to Uberalles
I admire your devotion to your cause to protect womens rights and childrens rights.
InshaAllah we should strive to preserve the rights of all entities in balance, so we should not ignore the rights of men either nor of animals nor of the environment I am sure you will agree.
In the vein of supporting the rights of the 'girl' who is 'taken' out of school to marry someone, in order to do justice to your sense of rights would it not be a good thing to first ask the 'girl' if she wanted to get married or not rather than being her decision-maker taking that right away from her?
Great question. I have only been involved directly in helping a woman leave her husband, I can not go into details for security reasons . The one regarding having a land line telephone being haram while the husband carried a cell phone.
without giving out too much information a couple of people I know , the where and what city will not be stated were members of the girls family - relatives who realized these young girls were going to be whisked home to their countries and married. the girls did not want this but were being obedient. again without getting into too much detail , authorties and others notified and the girls were removed , spoken to and live elsewhere with another islamic family as it was not there desire to return to their immediate family because eventually they thought they would be forced to marry.
Believe you me, we are out there in the community. do i become an apostate as some suggested? or do i continue to be a member of the community , watch and listen and offer info where help can be obtained should a girl decide she wishes to pursue this road. A couple have been to afraid but at least they know there are options. SOme women in the west have no idea about civil law and human rights when they migrate. How can you inform or reach women to give them information. Not all cases are successful but where a woman needs help or does not know how to help herself one can only inform what avenues she can choose. Some leave their families forever and some are too afraid. Wife bashing syndrom akin to stockholm syndrom. Indoctrination , indoctrination can break a woman's will , but some do find the intestinal fortitude.
I am aware of a teacher in a school , in a particular country who herself has helped a couple of new immigrant women. Not all women wihtin the muslim community are suppressed and demeaned but they do exist. Our family does not suppress or deman a woman in name of Allah with cultural influence. We do not worry about thses families , we worry about women who are demeaned, exploited and suppressed. Until you have seen what some of them have gone through , it breaks your heart , and to stand by an not say hey , did you know if you do this or that you can get yourself away from the situation. Some grab hold of the helping hand and others are too , too afraid. the later , are really pathetic existence in the shell of a woman.
The girl my parents helped , where would she be today? Her desire for a university education was against the parents desire for her to be married. this was my first experience that not all families support women's rights or children's rights. Just read the perfect enligsh written by hareem01. scary , a woman would not consider such practices today as abhorrent. but that's what happens when people are indoctrinated without expansive education.
If this makes me less of a muslim then you know what , I really don't give a rat's patootee. It makes me a better human not a godly human who would do such things to a woman or child or even to attempt to defend a practice of yeasteryears as okay today to pursue . And if godly people defend pedophilic and child labor then we should question what has religon wrought in their thinking . sad, sad, sad examples , and these are the ones that allow such evil deeds to continue by standing on the sidelines.
A bully is nasty. but watching a bully in action against another without offering aid is even more sinister.
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Better then twisted Islamic teachings in a modern world.
Freedom for women
Independence for women
Rights for children
No marriage of children to old men
Human rights
Democracy.
Not anti islam but pro human. and if in your eyes i am not muslim enough well its because I got an education not submissive in doctrination.
Human rights are superior to any religious law.
Well , if you see the corruption that exists within islamic society perhaps its time to change how islam is practiced instead of defending islam. as the root problems are because of islamics continuing such practices as the will of Allah.
I am doing my bit. I am out there ruffling feathers, promoting Ali, Manji, Taslim, etc etc . Just a humble , university educated modern islamic female promoting rights for women and children.
Amused by your post that you still have not understood that Islamic rules and laws ARE there to protect humanity.
When Islam came, the liitle girls were stopped from buried alive!
When islam came women were given the knowledge of modesty instead of dancing nude in Kaaba.
When islam came, it made women like Fatima (RAA) and Ayesha (RAA) etc. respectable women of society who later taught others and answered questions.
When Islam came into many areas of world, it abolishes inhuman treatments against women by locals and when Islamic people wanted to leave the area, they were begged by local good men and women to stay.
Islam gave freedom to men and women long before current days world provided. Only few years ago women got the voting right in western world while the prophet (SAW) and his followers (Umer RAA) created and amended rules and laws based on the advice their women gave!
Women have been burned and raped in the name of religion other than Islam.
If you find any submissive woman in uneducated area then its not the fault of Islam. Islam condemns women oppression. It gives woman the right to choose her life partner and any marriage without her consent is not a marriage. Now do not try to bring age in to consenting you already have been given answer for that.
The prophet SAW himself has dissolved the marriage of a woman who complained that her marriage was against her will and she did not like her partner.
Let me tell you, there are countless marriages in islamic and non-islamic societies which are based on stronger reasons than liking the partner (lust/love). Education, money, power, social equality and religious reasons are very common reasons for marriage around the world and are well accepted even by you! (I never saw any post from you against these reasons for marriage)
So called 'islamic countries' you keep giving examples have nothing to do with Islam. Islam is now a days present among the human beings and not as the law of a country.
Lastly, Your emotional ranting has no value whatsoever infront of centuries of goodness Islam brought to mankind.
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Well it just proves when you remove indoctrination and absolute submissionand allow for mass education leading to critical analysis and questioning religion does not evolve and women don't remain remain supressed and subjugated. The woman who lives in Quebec is a perfect example of how her faith evolved and old tribal , ignorant mysogynistic influences had no place in society.** Just like I was enlightened that muslim can be more then prostrated , indoctrinated and subjugated by some written rules and divine laws created by man and man alone. It will happen to more muslims as they increase their education in science, technology, arts, culture, sport , theatre etc. I have seen it in my community . And we are out there.**
And it will change otherwise the educated and enlightened will gleefully join the famous apostates with conviction of moral right and human right as it is the only way toward a progressive and enlightened society ,*** globally***
The woman from Quebec just showed that they believe their laws to be man-made and therefore they can change them to suit their whims, while we as Muslims don't. Our laws come from Allah, therefore we will never change them. When I told her that, she gave up trying to convince us that the women don't need to/shouldn't be dressing the way my wife does.
Muslims are already being educated in the different fields that you mentioned. I have seen many Muslims come more on to deen during their university studies. I've met many brothers from Pakistan who didn't use to pray when they were back in Pakistan, but after coming here to Canada for their studies, they have started to bring their lives more onto deen. They're coming to the masjids, they've started to pray more regularly.
I guess it comes down to your company. You're seeing more Muslims "enlightened" by challenging deen. I on the other hand have seen Muslims, born and raised here in Canada being enlightened by coming more towards deen. Among other things, they are praying 5 times a day and they are particular in fulfilling the rights of others.
Many of my wife's friends (born and raised here in Canada) have also started wearing burqa recently. One of my friend's daughters also started wearing niqab at the age of 6, because she likes it after seeing her mom and friends wearing it. Even when I was going to university, there were some women wearing burqa to university. So even educated Muslims are coming more towards deen.
You're claiming that the ones siding with Islamic principles and defending them in this case are indoctrinated, but the same can just as easily be said about you. You see, here in Canada, through the education system and what not, they also tried to indoctrinate us with principles that sometimes go against deen. Despite their attempts at indoctrination, many of us are still inclined toward deen and its teachings rather than this doctrine that you're pushing.
Islam's rules are what they are. Your whims and desires will not change anything. When Allah has permitted/forbidden something, your approval is hardly needed. After all, you are nothing but mere creation yourself.
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The fact is that the haters and enemy of Islam and Muslims will continue to attack Islam and Muslims; however, they will never win; at the end of the day by the will of Almighty Lord, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, Islam will prevail!
uberalles, stop calling yourself a Muslim; you are already an apostate. People like you never fellow any of Islamic teachings during their whole life and then they write bogus articles "Why we left Islam". Give us a break, you were never part of Islam to being with! So please fool someone else! People like you are pitiful souls who lost their way from truth. We can only make du'a to Allah Ta'ala that He helps you and guide us all.
Your arguments that we promote child labour and paedophilia are bogus when you completely ignored my questions so let me ask again; maybe you will show us you are not completely intellectually challenged. and no offence, someone who calls my Prophet (Peace be upon him) paedophilia shouldn't expect anything less from me.
** How do you define childhood and who defines it? Why are there differences among countries on deciding adulthood age-varies from 12-18? If 45 years old man/women marries a 20 years old female/male, is he/she a paedophilia? Why or Why not? **
Just for your benefit here is the definition of paedophilia
The definition of paedophilia
"a person, especially a man, who is sexually interested in children" (Cambridge International Dictionary)
"The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children" (The American Heritage Dictionary)
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I feel its useless to continue long discussion. We know even close relatives of Prophet SAW did not understand but Islam continued to spread. No one can learn just by intelligent argument. Inside ability to learn and understand makes the difference. Religious people will say its the will of almighty which can make people understand.
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so you promte child labour what a good muslim
you promote little girls to old men , pedophilia practice what a good muslim
society is evolved and human rights and childrens rights trump over any religoin. Human rights is greater then any religion created by man or any practice which inteferes with civil rights, and the the pursuit of decent life.
if this makes me less of a muslim then I am proud , proud that i am not that kind of a muslim.
if you want to live in the past where children were enslaved and defend the practice to be continued today well i am so soory you have been so indoctrinated . Tell me , if you have a daughter at age 10 would you marry her to an old man of 45 or would you wish her to have a life and pursue and educaton and be self reliant.. A real life not a muslim life of by gone era where such a girl remained ignorant and suffered because she was brainwashed it is Allah's will to submit to a man without question.
why do muslims have a heard time accepting its a females human right to be educated, posess free will, be confident and independent? There is definitely a problem within the islamic mentality and countries.
My grandfather was 28 years of age and my grandmother 26 . They actually met in a train. So , sorry to dissappoint , I have no perverts in my family who would think pedophilia is acceptable. Not even today. So HareemO@ you go ahead and if you have a little girl of 10 , there is a single guy down the street surely in your neighborhood of about 45 , 50 needing a wife. But I suppose our family has always persued higher learning and human rights and social enlightenment.
shame , shame , shame , and you wonder why the west is Islamophobic? many valid reasons within this thread.
Religion does defend horrendous violations against children , that's the trouble of with religion. Christopher Hitchen and Hirsi Ali at least put it in print for mass reading and enlightenment. Kudos to their bravery and insight and pursuit for a better world order. Such religious supported thinking has no place in the 21st century.
I don't want my 10 years old daughter to be a hateful and intolerant feminist who slanders others and rejects historic facts and human psychology to prove her theory through false reasoning.
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"A real life not a muslim life of by gone era where such a girl remained ignorant and suffered because she was brainwashed it is Allah's will to submit to a man without question. "
You are talking about the era before Islam.
We muslims don't submit to a man like Ismailis like yourself submit to Aga Khan and don't question your cult.
Bt Why there isn't any female Imam in Ismaili history?
And I would prefer obeying my children's father at home rather than obeying an annoying boss at work.
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Ubrellas
I am curious how do you define the era of "enlightenment". From where does it start, what it encompasses.
By the way as per enlightened america.
median age of sex is 17, that is "median" age, it could be that like 20% be having their first sex at under 12.
48% of black american teens have STD's, 20% of white american teens have STD's.
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Amused by your post that you still have not understood that Islamic rules and laws ARE there to protect humanity.
When Islam came, the liitle girls were stopped from buried alive!
When islam came women were given the knowledge of modesty instead of dancing nude in Kaaba.
When islam came, it made women like Fatima (RAA) and Ayesha (RAA) etc. respectable women of society who later taught others and answered questions.
When Islam came into many areas of world, it abolishes inhuman treatments against women by locals and when Islamic people wanted to leave the area, they were begged by local good men and women to stay.
Islam gave freedom to men and women long before current days world provided. Only few years ago women got the voting right in western world while the prophet (SAW) and his followers (Umer RAA) created and amended rules and laws based on the advice their women gave!
Women have been burned and raped in the name of religion other than Islam. If you find any submissive woman in uneducated area then its not the fault of Islam. Islam condemns women oppression. It gives woman the right to choose her life partner and any marriage without her consent is not a marriage. Now do not try to bring age in to consenting you already have been given answer for that.
The prophet SAW himself has dissolved the marriage of a woman who complained that her marriage was against her will and she did not like her partner.
Let me tell you, there are countless marriages in islamic and non-islamic societies which are based on stronger reasons than liking the partner (lust/love). Education, money, power, social equality and religious reasons are very common reasons for marriage around the world and are well accepted even by you! (I never saw any post from you against these reasons for marriage)
So called 'islamic countries' you keep giving examples have nothing to do with Islam. Islam is now a days present among the human beings and not as the law of a country.
Lastly, Your emotional ranting has no value whatsoever infront of centuries of goodness Islam brought to mankind.
When Islam came to Saudi Arabia it defecated and defecates on women's rights
When Islam came to Somalia is adopted cultural practices and made women's lives miserable and still does.
When Islam came to Yemen it did nothing much but keep women subjugated to man and recently and 8 year old married to a much , much older man.
Islam in Chechnya does nothing to protect women from being kidnapped and forced into marriages'
What good did islam do in afghanistan. recent history proves its an absolute failure in governance and promoting human rights.
Seems to me alot of people say it all cultural but the reality is much is based within the written scriptures to support the cultural practice of suppression, honor killings, dressing women in burqas , veils etc like non entities in public.
Much is wrong in islam , the sooner you admit to the realities the better for the women as tribal mentalities swathed in islamic dogma has done nothing but retard society.
There is much wrong within Islam and much rewrite is needed. The above examples are short but the list world wide is huge, huge, huge of the crimes committed against women.
I laugh at the centuries of goodness statement religion has brought. It's been nothing but blood , blood, warfare and putrification of society and retardation in pursuit of enlightenment and the suppression of free will and human rights. All three judeo-christian-islamic faiths have more sins in their books and begetting of evil deeds in the name of good then moral decency for the aid of fellow human being.
Indoctrination is not to be confused with education. Education is enlightement , incodtrination is repetition without thought.
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Saudia Arabia and Aids
In June, the Ministry of Health announced that more than 10,000 people in Saudi Arabia were infected with the virus, HIV, or had AIDS, including nearly 600 children. The numbers appear to show a sharp increase in infection over 2004, when 7,800 cases were reported, and 2003, when 6,700 cases were reported.
Officials say that better reporting is the reason for the growing numbers. But many doctors say even the latest figures are off, with the real numbers likely to be far higher in this country of 27 million people. One physician who has treated many patients who have been hiding their condition or were unaware of it estimated that the real number could be as high as 80,000.
Women in Pakistan face spiralling rates of gender-based violence, a legal framework that is deeply biased against women, and a law enforcement system that re-traumatizes female victims instead of facilitating justice," according to a 1999 report by Human Rights Watch. Citing domestic violence rates as high as 90 per cent, at least eight reported rapes every 24 hours nationwide, and an alarming rise in so-called “honour” killings, the report states that such crimes continue to be perpetrated with near total impunity.
The report says law enforcement authorities routinely dismiss domestic violence as private disputes. Female victims attempting to register complaints of abuse are invariably turned away, and are regularly advised and sometimes pressured by the police to reconcile with their abusive spouses or relatives.
Women who report rape or sexual assault by strangers are often disbelieved and treated with disrespect. They must contend with abusive police, forensic doctors who focus on their virginity status instead of their injuries, untrained prosecutors, sceptical judges, and a discriminatory and deficient legal framework. “Only the most resilient and resourceful complainants can manoeuvre such hostile terrain,” says the report. “And those who do seldom see their attackers punished.”
Pakistan’s rape law, the Offence of Zina Ordinance, allows marital rape, does not establish the crime of statutory rape, and in some cases does not permit the female victim to testify.
The report says women’s rights advocacy organizations have been subjected to intimidation, including government surveillance and threats that they would be banned.
Source: Human Rights Watch. 1999. Crime or Custom: Violence against Women in Pakistan. Web site: <www.hrw.org/reports/1999/pakistan>.
Women Living Under Muslim Law has mounted a World Wide Web campaign around the denial of women’s rights in Islamic societies; it directs support to the Association of the Women of Afghanistan, among others. WomenNet in South Africa used the Internet for a Stop Rape campaign supported by international signatories.
Re: Muslim attitudes towards rape [split: Muslim Women Gang Raped.. ]
When ..............thought.
I have already given up on you. Your twisted and blinded mind with consisent ranting has no meaning to me at all. Do whatever pleases you in your life and feel good about it. May Allah help you since no human being can. End of discussion from me. I am sorry but I have better things in my life than discussing important matters with you.
Re: Muslim attitudes towards rape [split: Muslim Women Gang Raped.. ]
In USA aproximate 26 percent of women experienced domestic violence.
In south africa about 48 percent experience domestic violence
In Pakistan the rate is 80- 90 percent.
take from Seager, The State of Women in The World Atlas, pp26 t0 27