See PA, its not hard to follow a reasonable discussion. You could have said the same things in your initial post.
The majority is not always right. If any mullah says that I MUST follow their opinion then I spit in their faces. Atee Ullah wa atee ur rusool is MUST, nothing else is.
The discussion of the ayah is better provided in the article I linked, do read it over. If I feel you have any reasonable points then I'll respond in around 4-5 days.
Music is expressly prohibited in many Ahaadith. Among the dominant purposes of our beloved Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was to destroy musical instruments. (Mishkat vol.2).
that was a dominant purpose of Mohammed? TO break muscial instruments? MUsic is god's language and is universal. I am sure you can see what I am trying to say. ;)
It is an established fact which even the anti-music scholars, if they're god fearing, will agree to, that most if not all of the ahadith against music are Za'eef. Some scholars have maintained the position that every single hadith against music is complete forged.
#let uz chat# - The ahadith that prohibit music are all Za'eef, with broken chains that dont lead to the prophet directly, or with more than one Za'eef narrators in each of them. This is the case with the Mishkat hadith you mentioned.
There is no Sahee Hadith that prohibits music or musical instruments. However, there is a Sahee Hadith in Bokhari which prohibits people from prohibiting music:
Ai’shah, may Allah be pleased with her, narrates: “Allah’s Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the pre-Islamic war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aus). The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, ‘Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him?’ Thereupon, Allah’s Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, turned his face towards him and said, ‘Leave them.’ When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled to those girls to go out and they left.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
^ and because of that you declare music unislamic? 
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that was a dominant purpose of Mohammed? TO break muscial instruments? MUsic is god's language and is universal. I am sure you can see what I am trying to say. ;)
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Dear Mats, don't be surprised. Just look around, in each and every thread you will find a new 'dominant purpose' of prophet Mohammad. Every opinion the molvis hold, its in fashion to say, ''and this my brethren, was the dominant purpose of prophet Mohammad.''
The dominant purpose narrated in another argument going on recently, which you're probably following, is the 'breaking of idols'. Here they state its abolition of music. Just stick around, you will get to see some rather interesting dominant purposes, some of which will shake your basic concepts of religion!
wow, and I thought I would get one simple reply. Now I read three pages and am all mixed up...
Your Mom is right...When a person listens to music.. the person sings and dances along with the rhythm and beat. This happens because shaytaan enters the person's blood and due to this the person dances.. when the person dances, shaytaan dances on the person's head... That's the reason! Well, it's also said that poets and singers will go to Hell.. because some poets write such EXTRA-romantic poetry, which outline a person's beauty (mostly female's beauty) in a wrong way.. for example: kaali aankhein, ghanay baal, white chehra, and etc... Aur singers inkay ganay gaatay hain, aur loogon tak puhanchatay hain..isliye gaanay sunna ghalt hota hai... Jahan per gaaney hoon, wahan per shaytaan bhi mojood hota hai...Aur aaj kal almost har gaaney ki video bhi ban rahi hai...jeb koi woh video deekhta hai tu woh uskay dimaagh mein store hojati hai..aur ab tu vulgarity bhi gaano bhi koot koot ker bhari hoti hai...so when someone listens to the song the picture runs thru the brain...jissey banday ka dimaagh ghalt batein sochta hai.... Music ko choorna mushkil zaroor hai lekin namumkin nahi!... Qayamat ki nishaniyon mein se aik nishani yeh bhi hai kay music bohot common hoga...aaj kal tu yehi ho raha hai.. :(
What a sad life it must be for those people who think something as natural, beautiful, soul pleasing, uplifting, positive, inspirational and universal is seen as the devil dancing on your head. The schools, mosques or cultures that teach that kind of thinking should be ashamed of the ignorance they are spreading. I'm not usually one to judge a person's belief system (because, let's face it, who really knows?), but to think music is inspired by the devil is preposterous. What about the music a bird makes? Or of the wind whistling through the forest, or that of a bubbling brook?
lets just make a deal, how about we just declare country music haraam. I can go for that, as a matter of fact I can write up a fatwa today. :)
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What a sad life it must be for those people who think something as natural, beautiful, soul pleasing, uplifting, positive, inspirational and universal is seen as the devil dancing on your head. The schools, mosques or cultures that teach that kind of thinking should be ashamed of the ignorance they are spreading. I'm not usually one to judge a person's belief system (because, let's face it, who really knows?), but to think music is inspired by the devil is preposterous. What about the music a bird makes? Or of the wind whistling through the forest, or that of a bubbling brook?
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Seminole
Well said. Your words sound divinely inspired
Siminole... that was really well said.. how can one disagree with that
Fraudz.. yes u go and write up a fatwa...
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Music is expressly prohibited in many Ahaadith. Among the dominant purposes of our beloved Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was to destroy musical instruments. (Mishkat vol.2).
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what? how you say profet say no music? is laying becase alla not saying music bad. becase alla liking music becase all liking music. all means alla also.all = allA + allB + etc.
only bludy fool peapul say music bad.
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what? how you say profet say no music? is laying becase alla not saying music bad. becase alla liking music becase all liking music. all means alla also.all = allA + allB + etc.
only bludy fool peapul say music bad.
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i always find ur posts very informative....
I don't mean to sound rude or anything to my muslim brothers, but ever since my chilhood I've heard from my muslim friends that the religion of Islam is a complete religion. On the contrary there are many issues in Islam that have left its followers struggling to make sense of it.
Music for one, discussed here as being un-Islamic. Is there is no clear-cut-complete answer in the Quran itlself? I mean if Allah himself had to say:"... and tell them that it is un-lawful to listen to or produce melodies in whatever form or musical instrument it emerges from". It would then be quite clear that muslims should not indulge in the listening or reproduction of any kind of musical notes. Is there such a verse??
I also heared from those same childhood friends, that Islam is a "natural" religion.... Is it ??
Like the spectrum of light is to the eyes, music with its own spectrum of sounds, is the most beautifuliest thing to the ears, and is clearly the creation of the Almighty Himself. If other creatures in nature, were given leave to produce beautiful sounds, why is it that humans who have been bestowed with a far superior brain, been marred from reproducing music using instruments, why the human vocal cord itself can be compared to an intricate musical instrument.
To give credit to Satan for this most miracluous natural wonder should be considered blasphemy.
or else ... Bach, Bethoveen, Chopin, Britney Spears and Smashing pumpkins, prepare for eternal damnation....
^ Britney Spears tsk tsk tsk...
blitz do you think its a good idea for a religion to declare a wide art such as music or poetry to be completely good or completely bad? Isn't it better to say what the prophet of Islam said:
“What is good thereof is good and what is bad thereof is bad.”
^ i guess its like humans... u cant hard code humans to be just good or bad...
Dim human as string
human = 'good'
its more a case of..
Dim human as string
Dim actions as array
Dim GoodPoints as integer
Dim BadPoints as integer
for i = 1 to array.count
if actions(i) > "something something" then
goodpoints = goodpoints + 1
else
badpoints = badpoints + 1
end if
next i
if badpoints < goodpoints then
human = "good"
else
human = "bad"
end if
i need a life... and need to revise my code... (thats what u get when u been cutting and pasting instead of writing it hehe)
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“What is good thereof is good and what is bad thereof is bad.”
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Still sounds ambeguous!
Music naturally, cannot be considered wide art, but an integral part of the creation of sound.
And then music is not even being considered as good. Right now we have to contend with satan in the equation!
Oh so you do work when you’re at the job sadz!