Sorry, I take that back, May Allah forgive me, I shouldn't put everyone down like that, but I've been to the shrines of sufi 'saints' in Pakistan and what goes on there is in no way Islamic. Any sufi teachings that are in accordance with the holy Scripture and the sayings and actions of Muhammad (peace be upon him) are fine but anything tht goes against that is wrong.
It really annoys me when someone calls themselves a Muslim yet gives there own whims and desires or the blind following of some so called saint, maulvi or anyone else preference over the scripture of Allah and the sayings and actions of the Prophet (peace be upon him), that’s so hypocritical.
And to the sister who said that religion is between Allah and his worshipper, well it is in a way but it’s our duty as Muslims that if we see something wrong we have to try and put it right, it just hurts me to see my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters having the wrong beliefs or doing something impermissible and saying its allowed which will lead them to the hell fire. It’s our duty to guide each other with the Quran and Sunnah. If you see anything wrong with what I say, do or believe then go ahead and tell me, I wouldn’t feel offended in fact I’ll be happy that someone is trying to guide me, it’s our duty as Muslims or we’ll be accountable before Allah.
^ you are wrong. I hope it doesn;t hurt you too much. But if it does, please listen to some easy-listening Jazz on satellite radio. It should be accesible in your cave.
I prefer to use the mind the Lord gave me, I don’t blame you for following somebody elses understanding.. I hope on the day of judgement you can hide behind them likewise.
aww baby ammarr is trying to be funneee… I have to answer to my God.. maybe you need to prepare for that too.. show us your photo with the obligatory turban and a fistfull of facial hair.. oh wait.. images are haraam in your world so don’t, but do tell us about your latest Jew slaying.. it would make for an excellent anecdote at the next madrassah reunion :k:
Yeh PA. a billion muslims on one end, and the truth lies with you :k:
Compare the work you’ve posted (your interpretations) with the work of the so called mullahs in your opinion who twist the words of Allah. Any logical unbiased mind would discard your work as being comical in comparison. Nobody follows someone else’s understanding. Its about following that which makes more sense.
Anyhow.. to each his own. You made an idiotic remark about them being hypocrites, I felt it was necessary to return the favor and shove a mirror in your face :k:
Amarr - Of course those mullahs are twisting the word of GOD.
God wouldn't give us a mind and ability to interpret things If he wanted us to follow some mullahs. If you believe they are harbingers of truth then feel free to follow.
Asif, why not show the weakness in the article by the 'mullah'? Or are you all words? If you feel he isn't talking the truth then why dont you 'expose' him?
My objection was you speaking on behalf of 1 billion muslims of the world. Speak for yourself and not others. I dont allow brainwashed people to speak for me. I am off to listening Md. Rafi singing 'Man TaRpat Hari Darshan Ko' in Raag Bhairav :)
what? how beleef this? when alla say no musik? alla no say no musik. only midelmen peapul like al-this and al-that also profets, mullahs and maulana peapul say this good that bad etc.
all peapul say no musik banded is laiying peapul becas musik God also. why I say? becas all peapul enjoyment musik. muslim person hindu person jewce person christan person sikh person bawa person all persons loving music. one good musik tune many relygon peapul enjoy. even God only one relygon peapul enjoy but one good song all relygon peapul enjoy. so that way I think musik bigger God than.
so if musik bigger God, how smaller God say banded? is why proofed alla not say "no musik". may be he say "no loud musik" becas it distrubancing
sadya, as you can tell, there are several interpretations. If you follow hadith, and believe Sahih Bukhari to be authentic, then you can read in there how string instruments are prohibited. You will also read several other hadith that essentially state its better to do other things than listen to music, as it takes away from the remembrance of Allah. However you will also find that those close to the prophet would sometimes recite poetry, with no music in the background, although in certain other hadith, it suggests its better to spend ur time doing other things than reciting poetry.
If you choose not to follow hadith, thats your perogative. In the end, you will be responsible for the decision you made. You dont have to justify your decision to anyone here.
Theres another aspect you are missing, which has nothing to do with music at all. It has to do with obeying your parents. Think about that.
If I were you, I would make sincere du'aa to Allah and ask Him for guidance on the matter. That to me, is the best thing to do.
I will say that I myself listen to music occassionally, although I would like it so that I listen to other things instead one day. I have to be comfortable with my own decision, because in the end I will be responsible for my own deeds.
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And to the sister who said that religion is between Allah and his worshipper, well it is in a way but it’s our duty as Muslims that if we see something wrong we have to try and put it right, it just hurts me to see my fellow **Muslim brothers and sisters having the wrong beliefs or doing something impermissible and saying its allowed which will lead them to the hell fire.* It’s our duty to guide each other with the Quran and Sunnah. If you see anything wrong with what I say, do or believe then go ahead and tell me, I wouldn’t feel offended in fact I’ll be happy that someone is trying to guide me, it’s our duty as Muslims or we’ll be accountable before Allah.
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no one here is saying that he/she is right... yes my faith is b/w me and my Allah (swt) and i do not allow people to make any judgement of it.. yes u can advise people when they are astray... but to tell someone they are wrong and not on the right path.. that is not allowed.. but then again i may be wrong again..
we are just mere humans... the way we show our love to Allah Mian.. is b/w Him and us... not everyone else in between... we all speak different languages.. yet He understands... we all show appreciation in different ways.. yet He accepts... dont u think He'd rather see us praying more.. being nice to each other.. showing each other respect.. rather than condemning.. and telling another that they will go to hell fire for such and such deeds.... i hear this everytime i go to the masjid....
why is it so easy for us to love God.. but not his creation?
Whenever this debate pops up, I see heated discussions resulting in personal attacks....
Well, agar aik bachey ke saamney bhi music bajjey ga tu woh naachey ga, its instinctive... Allah has given us minds to think about as to whats right and whats not. If our music is for a good case, does not promote vulgurity, violence etc, then whats wrong with it? Islam is a logical religion, and does not ask you to blindly follow literal meanings. It asks you to apply your own grey matter as well. The Prophet (PBUH) used to point out anything which saw and felt was not right so that his followers could know... However, he never pointed a finger to the music that was played upon his arrival to the city of Medinah... This proves a point too...
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Whenever this debate pops up, I see heated discussions resulting in personal attacks....
Well, agar aik bachey ke saamney bhi music bajjey ga tu woh naachey ga, its instinctive...
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About the Kid, Hadhrat Ali Hajveri relates:
''Physicians say of such a child that he is sensible and will be clever when he grows up. On the death of one of the ancient kings of Persia his ministers wished to enthrone his son, who was a child two years old. Buzurjmihr,’ on being consulted, said: “Very good, but we must make trial whether he is sensible,” and ordered singers to sing to him. The child was stirred with emotion and began to shake his arms and legs. Buzurjmihr declared that this was a hopeful sign and consented to his succession.'' (Kashful Mahjoob: Chapter 11)
Those who say music is haraam are not saying so from themselves. There are qawi and sahih ahadith on it! Do read them, and being a Muslim you have to believe and obey what the Prophet (saw) says , even though it may be unpleasing to you! Islam means submission!
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Sorry, I take that back, May Allah forgive me, I shouldn't put everyone down like that, but I've been to the shrines of sufi 'saints' in Pakistan and what goes on there is in no way Islamic. Any sufi teachings that are in accordance with the holy Scripture and the sayings and actions of Muhammad (peace be upon him) are fine but anything tht goes against that is wrong.
It really annoys me when someone calls themselves a Muslim yet gives there own whims and desires or the blind following of some so called saint, maulvi or anyone else preference over the scripture of Allah and the sayings and actions of the Prophet (peace be upon him), that’s so hypocritical.
And to the sister who said that religion is between Allah and his worshipper, well it is in a way but it’s our duty as Muslims that if we see something wrong we have to try and put it right, it just hurts me to see my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters having the wrong beliefs or doing something impermissible and saying its allowed which will lead them to the hell fire. It’s our duty to guide each other with the Quran and Sunnah. If you see anything wrong with what I say, do or believe then go ahead and tell me, I wouldn’t feel offended in fact I’ll be happy that someone is trying to guide me, it’s our duty as Muslims or we’ll be accountable before Allah.
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there are more christians than mullahs so then they must be right? Maybe it’s time for you to meet priests.
Very well. let people make sense out of all the nonsense then.. why get huffy and puffy when some reject the mullah interpretations? Why insist that since it’s ‘majority opinoin’ it MUST be right and MUST be accepted by everyone.. Where’s the margin of error and why call anyone else ‘misguided’ when their better sense does not agree with stock interpretations?
The mullahs are really stretching it by trying to link ‘idle talk’ with music.. anyone with an iota of sensibility can detect it.. but you continue saying the Qur’an also supports your position.. in fact it’s only the hadith and that comes as no surprise; i’ve read stranger things in those books.
. If these are the views of educated individuals then imagine what the millions of uneducated Zaahil Gawars think about it.