I was wondering, you’re not allowed to listen to all kinds of music if you want to be a good muslim, do you? I don’t listen to wild music, well sometimes I still like songs from different artists/groups, if I hear them somewhere on tv or something. But mostly I listen to classical music. Now my question is, my Mom tells me I shouldn’t listen at all to music, because it’s the voice of Satan, but I like to listen to it, while doing work in the house. Is it really that bad? She says it takes your mind off of good deeds?
well, i know i will be criticised for it from many here ....but in my opinion ....ur mom is right ....!!
me too used to listen to it ....but well ....i read somewhere ...that we will regret every moment not spent in Allah's rememberance ....n then i read hadith about music .....i gave up
believe it or not ....i have experienced much greater changes for better afterwards :)
n please ...no one here start dragging me in a debate ....thanx in advance :)
You should also exercise that methodology of unabated devotion by cutting off such mediums as the internet, television, books, speaking to others and finally looking at your environment. Satan has many forms and only when you shut off the lights and pray all day only then you can be assured that you will be safe from hellfire.
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You should also exercise that methodology of unabated devotion by cutting off such mediums as the internet, television, books, speaking to others and finally looking at your environment. Satan has many forms and only when you shut off the lights and pray all day only then you can be assured that you will be safe from hellfire.
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Not to mention sports as well.
I don't find anything wrong with listening to music. If one has strong religious values, then they wouldn't be worried that a simple hobby such as music would keep them from remembering Allah.
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You should also exercise that methodology of unabated devotion by cutting off such mediums as the internet, television, books, speaking to others and finally looking at your environment. Satan has many forms and only when you shut off the lights and pray all day only then you can be assured that you will be safe from hellfire.
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What is your problem? I’m sick of your immature sarcastic remarks about Islam, if you think our religion is so backward and we are so narrow minded then why do you come here? This is a Pakistani bulletin board, leave us in peace, I’m sure we’ll do fine without you.
hare ram, bhai jaan..what did I say that was anti-islam or pakistan? Unless you are the ultimate beacon and testament to everything that is Pakistani or islamic? And if I didn’t say anything against you, allow me the opportunity now. :eat me: wala icon. 
BTW/Fret has the right attitude. Maybe y’all can arrange a stoning for him. I am busy, bext thursday-sun but am free after that. 
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I don't find anything wrong with listening to music. If one has strong religious values, then they wouldn't be worried that a simple hobby such as music would keep them from remembering Allah.
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Brother there are numerous sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), which forbid music. And some verses in the Quran, which some religious scholars have said, are referring to music as being idle talk.
As Muslims we believe in what Allah and his Prophet (peace be upon him) have told us without questioning it.
If you listen to music then you are sinning but are still a Muslim but scholars say that when someone says something is permissible when Allah and his Messenger (peace be upon him) have clearly said that its not, then that person is outside the fold of Islam.
Music might seem all innocent to us but in reality its not because Allah doesn’t just forbid something just for the sake of it there’s wisdom behind all his orders, sometimes the reasons are obvious and sometimes we just don’t know why he forbid something because we have very limited knowledge but He is the All-Knowing.
We can’t judge between right and wrong by our feelings because everyone’s idea of right and wrong is different therefore we have to rely on God’s word and the Sunnah of his Messenger and Slave (peace be upon him).
Anyway getting back to the topic this is one of the saying of our beloved Leader (peace be upon him).
The Prophet of God (peace be upon him) said: "There will be [at some future time] people from my Ummah who will seek to make lawful fornication, the wearing of silk, wine drinking and the use of musical instruments. Some people will stay at the side of the mountain and when their shepherd comes in the evening to ask them for his needs, they will say: 'Return to us tomorrow'. Then Allah will destroy them during the night by causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection." (Al-Bukhari)
Saif-ul-Islam..that was beautiful :k:
Thanks Sheraz bhai :)
Madrassa-e-Nizamia, the overwhelmingly dominant school of thought in Islamic scholars of Pakistan, started only a little more than two centuries ago. It was only then that the debate of music being diallowed started openly in the subcontinent.
We must all remember however, that the Ulema of the Indian subcontinent have not been able to convert a significat number of people to Islam. They have only been able to exclude a very very large number of sects from Islam. Their focus is always on what is haraam and who is a kafir, and on seeking ways to declare more and more practices haraam, and more and more people kafir. This has only been done to seek attention in a society which otherwise ignores them.
Islam was spread throughout the subcontinent by the Sufis due to their universal message of love peace and brotherhood. This message was primarily propagated by the Sufis not in the form of books and articles, but in the form of Music. Bullhay Shah is such an example of beloved men of Allah who pracitced music. The tabla, sarangi and most other classical indian musical intruments have been developed by Khusro, known and loved as a waliullah by most of us.
It is a fact that our forefathers in the Indian subcontinent converted to Islam by listening to the music and poetry of the Sufis. It is impossible therefore, for a common man to give up on listening to music, other than some extremist narrow minded losers who are taught by the molvis to blame their loserness to listening to music and many other such harmless acts.
Hazrat Ali Hajveri, or Data Gunj Bakhs, literally worshipped by ALL of Lahore, used to practice music. He wrote about 11 most important stages to spiritual development, the 11th one of them was music. He wrote in his book:
"...A young child who cease crying in the cradle when a tune is sung to them, and listen to the tune: Physicians say of such a child that he is sensible and will be clever when he grows up. "
Also:
" ** Anyone who says that he finds no pleasure in sounds and melodies and music is either a liar and a hypocrite or he is not in his right senses, and is outside of the category of men and beasts! ** "
- Hazrat Ali Hajveri (Kashful Mahjoob: Chapter 11)
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Brother there are numerous sayings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), which forbid music. And some verses in the Quran, which some religious scholars have said, are referring to music as being idle talk.
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How is music any different than playing sports or reading a book. Both sports and literature can also "keep people from remembering Allah". Also isn't a duff a musical instrument, which is allowed?
I used to be a musician and loved music...Now, I don't find it soothing. Even if I do turn on my Winamp once in a blue moon, I hardly finish the first song...
Reading and writing are much more transcendental than music I think.
Salaam,
The reknowned scholar of Islam, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi made the following comment regarding the Hadith that you have posted.
Although this Hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari, its chain of transmission is not connected to Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, and this invalidates its authenticity. Ibn Hazm rejects it for that very reason. Moreover, the sub-narrator, Hisham Ibn `Ammar is declared ‘Weak’ by many scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology.
This comment was made as part of his present the case that music is not haraam according to the Quran and authentic Hadith & Sunnah, subject to a number of conditions.
His full and highly detailed fatwa on the issue can be found at
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=40116
Maddy, can there be scholars who invalidate this guy's invalidation? If so, then who the hell knows?
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I used to be a musician and loved music...Now, I don't find it soothing. Even if I do turn on my Winamp once in a blue moon, I hardly finish the first song...
Reading and writing are much more transcendental than music I think.
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re: "Anyone who says that he finds no pleasure in sounds and melodies and music is either a liar and a hypocrite or he is not in his right senses, and is outside of the category of men and beasts!"
- Hazrat Ali Hajveri (Kashful Mahjoob: Chapter 11)
Paaga| |nsaan I don't give two hoots about crazy sufi teachings or what some mullah's say if he doesn't have proof to back his claims from Quran and/or Suunah.
I dont know about saints and stuff in the past but we all know what most sufis these days are like... getting stoned out of their heads and listening to music all day, they don't even pray Namaz, far from the true Islam that was revealed to Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) from his Lord the Exalted.
Sadly most Muslims back home in Pakistan and India are nothing but peer worshippers and grave worshippers, I don't think it would've made much difference if they had stayed hindu...
Naam ka Musalman honay se kuch fark nahi parta.
WalikumSalam,
Maddy, if you’re interested in reading the actual ruling on this, follow this link: http://www.islamworld.net/music.html
Its a very critical analysis of all information available on this topic. Btw, just so you know Yusuf al Qaradwi is not a major scholar. A lot of his fatwas are based on very little knowledge, and as they say little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
He’s more of a media guy who’s been pumped up by certain institutions. Anyhow I dont want to say stuff about him, but do read the link and see the compare it with the depth of Yusuf qaradwi’s fatwa.
edit: just make sure you read the entire page on that link. its long but very helpful.
Saif-ul-Islam:
1- Sufis are not peers. They are the people who we owe our religion to. Bullay Shah, Waris Shah, Sultan Bahu, Ali Hajveri, Bahauddin Zikriya, were not Peers. It was them who spread the message of Islam in the subcontinent.
2- If you think most muslims of the subcontinent are naam ke musalman and should've remained hindus, that should include you too. You're from back here as well.
3- It makes a lot of difference to be naam ke musalman, and it is quite enough for you to be considered one by Allah, who says in the Koran: "...say not to anyone who offers you a salutation (i.e. Salaam): "Thou art none of a believer!" (Koran, 4:94)
4- The notion that you are a pious muslim and the others should've better been hindus has been doscouraged in the above verse, and this state of mind is called Takabbur. It is one of the major sins that you do on your nafs. But then again, its the Sufis who say that, so you may not believe in it.
Dear Ammarr,
Taking it as easy as you put it, I'd say "Abu Bilal Mustafa Al-Kanadi is not a good scholar. He is wrong."
The real debate is much more deep than your scholar puts it. We have for now, only been seeing the inter-scholars debate about the permission of music. The debate originally belongs to the traditional scholar-against-sufi realm and thats when it is the most interesting.