Music and Islam

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hareem01 is British Pakistani

that says it all

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Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Among my ummah will be those who make permissible al-hira(adultry or zinah), silk, khamr and musical instruments . . .” (Reported by al-Bukhaari; see al-Fath, 10/51).

Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In this ummah there will be punishments of earthquakes, showers of stones and deformity (transformation into animals); that will be when the people drink khamr, listen to female singers and play musical instruments.” (See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2203; attributed to Ibn Abi’l-Dunyaa, Dhamm al-Malaahi; the hadeeth was narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2212).

The ahadeeth regarding the prohibition of music are clear, and there always has been a consesus amongst the righteous scholars on this issue.

So let anyone, who wants to take heed, take his necassay precautions in this life, and let those, who worship their own whims and desires, reject these ahadith, for their fate is surely with Allah...and every soul will get what it deserves. Their false interpretations, which are different from how the Sahabas understanding, will do them no good.

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what is this chocolate egg garden? I think you are talking about kindergarten LOL

It would except I'm not British. Just living in the UK.

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I'm sorry but, but are you talking about the same "Bukhari et el" who consider the following as SaHiH:

A'ishah said: "When The Messenger of God desired intercourse with me while I was mensturating, he would order me to tie a piece of cloth around my waist" (Book of Mensturation, V1, pg 24)

Especially, when the Quran says:

ويسٔلونك عن المحيض قل هو أذى فاعتزلوا النساء في المحيض ولا تقربوهن حتى يطهرن فإذا تطهرن فأتوهن من حيث أمركم الله إن الله يحب التوبين ويحب المتطهرين
Do they ask you about the cycles? Say, "It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you." God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed."

What an example to follow! Right...

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Peace hypnotix-2000

Yes ... The Qur'an is very modest in speech. When it states do not approach them ... it means do not have intercourse with them. It was a pagan Arab common thing to enter spouses during menstruation ... may be as a form of contraception. Allahu'alim ... this verse addresses that directly. The hadith are less reserved with explanation. I can believe the hadith wholeheartedly. Are you married hypnotix-2000? If you are then ask your wife what is better when she is menstruating ... to be given a warm cuddle or to be left alone completely?

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OKAY! To begin with...there is no such hadith, in the entire Book of Menstrual Periods. You are guilty of doctoring a hadith and accusing the Prophet of doing something Allah forbade in the Quran. At the very least you are a ignorant idiot who probably copied the hadith off some website trying to attack Islam's second most authentic text!

This is the hadith which you tried to play around with is:

*Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299: *

Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad: (on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."
and also,

*Volume 1, Book 6, Number 300: *

Narrated Maimuna: When ever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle any of his wives during the periods (menses), he used to ask her to wear an Izar.
The Hadith clearly says what it intends to.

So now that your lame attempt at trying to prove the Bukhari as unauthentic has been put down we can get back to the issue of hand.

The Hadith regarding music, i posted earlier, are as authentic as ever...because Sahih Bukhari is the most authentic and trustworthy text in this Deen, after the Quran...and all Muslims are obliged to believe and act according to what a Sahih Hadith states.

Hypocrites and enemies of Islam like Hypnotix do not deserve to be a part of fruitful Islamic discussions, since they intend to cause more evil than good.

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I checked them in Bukhari shareef, couldn’t find this one, but only the following ones;

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5369513#post5369513

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Interesting topic and discussion. But reading through, it appears there is no clear statement whether music is banned by Islam or not. But a general perception amongst us in India (at least the people I know) is that aurangazeb was one of the first people who brought this issue to the forefront and we all hate him, not only for this but the other atrocities.

Next, such impression has widespread by the act of taleban in Afghanistan - banning most forms of art including music.

I have also read of recent news items that in several parts of Pakistan music compact discs are being destrored and shops closed.

I cannot understand why there would be any objection to good music in a religion. Someone said (earlier in this thread) that Islam does that to prevent straying of focus away from prayers and God. This is a fair point.

But Hinduism solved this problem a long time ago. Until the advent of movies, ever since time, Hindu culture has developed tremendous forms of music - almost all songs are in praise of Gods, description of accomplishments of good over evil etc. The names given to various ragas in many cases are close to or derived from that of qualities of Gods. In fact one of the four Vedas, the Samaveda, is sung very melodiously.

Of course in recent years, with Christian and other external influences, movie music has become very appaling in terms of underlting themes - if it comes to this sort of music, it is fully understandable that it would distract people from prayer and Gods. That is for sure.

But why ban all types of music? In fact this whole issue came to me as a surprise only a few years ago - until then I had always though much of melodious Hindi music had Islamic roots!

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But the Bukhari quote would lead one to believe music is banned.

I was watching a speech by Yusuf Estes and he said the issue of music is not clear, it is up to the individual to make his/her own decision.

This is one issue that keeps going on and on with no resolution. If music is banned, why do so many Muslims openly create it? They must have a reason to believe it is permitted. I love music and would still quite it if I had to, but it's one of the few artforms that can cheer me up.

Mods-why was my comment in reply to Mercenary2k's post deleted? I have seen far worse on these boards, it doesn't make sense.

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so let's say the standard western and bollywood music is not good because of the text of the songs and the wrong videos associated with those etc.

But what about classical music? symphonic orchestras? Most often that is just music without any text, without any dance, and even without any wrong connotation. A lot of classical pieces were written with a mindset of virtue, bravery, good deeds etc?

Would like to hear an answer from the hadithis

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^ hadithis? ok..thats a new one!

The answer has already been given, and its absolute. Take it and become a believer, or reject it...and be whatever you become after you reject a Sahih Hadith or a Quranic Verse!

Merii pasandeedah filmii GhazleN...
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^ "...you reject a Sahih Hadith or a Quranic Verse". Which quranic verse are you referring to? There is no quranic verse prohibiting music per se. So I don't know which rejection you are talking about.

As for hadith, you post one above in which it says: "In this ummah there will be punishments of earthquakes, showers of stones and deformity (transformation into animals); that will be when the people drink khamr, listen to female singers and play musical instruments."

note the bold parts.

extending this, am I allowed to listen to male singers without music? So am I allowed to listen to Pavarotti's opera?

And it says play musical instruments. I'm not playing instruments, I'm just listening to them. And nowadays you do not necessarily need someone to play the instruments, you can just write a script on your pc and it (=the pc) will play the tune. So am I allowed to listen to that tune?

and wat about taking sheet music and by reading it playing it in your mind?

and what happened to the 'allowance' for a duff?

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Peace NeSCio

Those who feel they cannot avoid music should restrict themselves to the forms in which there is no public free mixing, lowering of ethical and moral constraints and should try to do so in the privacy of their homes so it is not encouraged in public. These people will be given their due.

Those who feel they should avoid it and can do so will also be given their due accordingly.

Though we cannot say music is banned, we also cannot allow it to be a mode of transmission that will supercede the authentic modes of transmitting Islam, which is recitation of Qur'an and halaqah.

Certain instruments are classed as more acceptable than others, however, all instruments are queried in hadith. Taking things to their literal extents is not the correct methodology of fiqh rulings either. The fact that people had to play in the past and now computers can do the trick should be met in context to what is being said rather than taking the literal value of the words.

There is a consensus in all this ... No scholar will give preference to music over singing without music, no scholar will give preference to poetry over Qur'an and no scholar will give preference to public displays of music over private indulgence of music. It therefore can be said that the general consensus for music is that it is shunned but not forbidden and we should not openly allow it if we manage to establish an Islamic state.

The pop-culture and the idolism and fitnah it is attached with it an example of the ill-effects of music. The personal feeling and emotions that may result in bringing people to love Islam more can be perceived benefits in music, but they can easily take place whilst listening to musical compositions in the home.

WaAllahu'alim

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psyah,

I follow you argument to a certain extent. But what I don’t understand is why you assume that a preference for music is given above recitation of Qur’an? nowhere have I -or anyone else in this thread as far as I know- said that they prefer music above recitation of Qur’an. So why the repeated explicit reference to that?

Secondly, the argument that music is not encouraged, so to not allow it to supercede islamic transmission etc also holds for every other thing in life, not only music. So why the more than usual emphasis on that with respect to music? And does this mean that all (innocuous) other things which are not directly linked to religion are not allowed/encouraged in life either? sports like chess? studying ancient Inca archeology? doing your job as a window cleaner? cooking vegetarian food? reading newspaper? listening to Beethoven’s 5th? :ahaa: … after all, all these things might interfer with normal islamic transmission as well. Are they therefore not encouraged either?

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I have questioned many "ulama" on this issue and the answer I get is "why waste a gift such as time in useless things such as chess and music"... well then the counter argument is that this has more to do with wasting time and addiction, and less to do with creating or listening music (that expands your creativity) and chess (that can help you develop logical methodology to approach a problem). It is how you use the blade, I say again.

Another class of "ulama" consider music to be downright "haraamkari", so to them my question is, why do they have such a sick mentality that the very thought of music gives them the idea of wine and bellydancing hotties? It shows their own lack of self control and extremely sick and frustrated state of mind.


Tangential argument with no bearing to my post... If you believe this hadith wholeheartedly then that is your problem (and deed) brother. And yes I am married.

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Ah so you're surprised when it's your turn eh? lol

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Your asking for fatwas on here is getting pretty redundant and boring.

No one's forcing anything down your throat...you're free to believe what ever you want to.

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^I don't think it's getting redundant and boring. If people say you can get complete guidance by reading hadith, I'm just looking for that guidance.

Or are you implying that based on Hadith one cannot get answers to my questions and hence label them as redundant and boring :o

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Sign of a perfect loser who would clutch on anything let it be a typo or anything....you dont have to show me your mental caliber....i already know it... tsk tsk
...Retard.

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Peace NeScio

It was an assumed position that I hold. Which is that people tend to equate harmony, and vocal artistry of recitation to that of singing. Though I do not assume that people here think that music takes preference over Qur’an, in practice those people who indulge in music will find themselves doing just that even when they pay lip service to the opposite.

The reason for greater emphasis on music is because it has the capacity like the recitation of Qur’an to elevate emotion and like anything that accesses emotions it needs to curbed so it doesn’t take over. People who go into music often find themselves like other intoxicating things addicted to it and sidetracked from other things in life. Music, alcohol and such things share in some attributes. However, recitation and music share other attributes.

Looking for things that are encouraged or discouraged is quite simple. If the act you are doing be it for work or play has within it elements that are part of pagan or non-Islamic religious activity such as for example the Raki festival. This is most definitely discouraged and forbidden, but things like being a window cleaner if it is being done with the intention to earn money and have trust in the money for sustaining ones life then that should be discouraged, but if the same window cleaner job is being done out of virtue because Islam requires us to work and have trust in Allah (SWT) for sustaining us, then upon that intention it should most definitely be encouraged. The same goes for all the other things you mention. Here is the simple recipe:

  1. Look at the act itself and how it could be perceived as a noble or ignoble thing
  2. Look at the side-effects of the act are they tending towards good or bad
  3. Look at the intention behind the act that is intended: Is it for Allah (SWT) or a selfish reason?
  4. Whilst undertaking the act does it involve elements that originate from non-Islamic religious activity …

Classifcation of deeds:
Fard = Obligation
Mustahab = Highly desirable
Muba = neutral
Makruh = Highly detestable
Haram = Forbidden

Many acts in themselves can be muba but when the action is performed with different intentions then those very acts can become either mustahab or makruh, and so on.

So far music has been seen and looked at in isolation that is why it is difficult to classify whether it is allowed or not. However it needs to be put into contexts of environment, and message being delivered and so on. This brought me to comparing it with Qur’an recitation because they both share:

  1. The aural sense as the part used for perceiving the activity
  2. The ability to affect emotion
  3. The message being portrayed (if the music is being used to portray Islamic information)
  4. It involves the voice to transmit it

Where music is done for the reason of delivering Islamic information effectively by the listening sense, then the Qur’an for that reason should be given preference.

In the Qur’an we are told that we will be judged on the intention behind our actions. In other words our actions alone will not be judged nor a thought if it has not become an action.