Musharraf in New Delhi - Another stunt in making?

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so Advani comes from Pakistani Sindh, but he’s just going to ‘visit’ Pakistan. But Musharraf is an ‘expatriate and is returning back to his homeland’ India!?

in this case remember your PM was older and better aware when he left Pakistan, Musharraf was just 4 yrs old.

This is the problem with you Indian members here. always looking for opportunties to erupt battles, between Pakistanis or between Indians and Pakistanis. hear this clear, this time we let this go, in future any posts that have an element which could lead to confusions, civil wars, wars, misunderstandings here, will be considered acts of terrorism and will be edited or removed without warning.

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HZ,

It may come as a shock to you and many Pakistanis but their are many many murderers on the jihadi side and they haven't been ashamed to admit it themselves.

To end the violence - all participants need to cease firing. Let Musharraf order an end to infiltration and pull back of the Lashkars and the Jaishes and the Indian army will go back to guarding the borders and the LoCs. If the jihadis don't stop, the defenders won't as well and many innocents will end up dead in the midst.

Soft borders are the way to go. Let Sopore apples go to Mirpur and let Mangos from there come to Baramullah. Let a Srinagar family go on a driving trip to the Hunza valley and let a family from Muzaffarabad drive up to the incredible Ladakhi vistas. If these guys can go from one side to another without passports or visas, then they may not really care if the land they reside in is guarded by Indian or Pakistani authorities.

The only losers in this bargain will be the anachronists.

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HZ - That was a quote from a US official following the F-16 announcement. I made that clear in my post. Those words are not mine.

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ok, i'll believe that, but you have too many quotes, lines and font colours in between which doesnt make it 'clear'.

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but u said “hear this clear, this time we let this go, in future any posts that have an element which could lead to confusions, civil wars, wars, misunderstandings here, will be considered acts of terrorism and will be edited or removed without warning.”

So now, US officials statement is considered as act of terrorism by u?

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how does the post you quoted above negate my earlier post...?
as far as this is concerned: "US officials statement is considered as act of terrorism by u?"

if you havent understood what i used the word 'terrorism' here for, i cant teach you, so no use mocking it. and yes, the statement whether it was made by a US official or by an Indian forum member, remains under the category that i call 'terrorism in this forum' here. due to the fact that the words use were wrong and could lead to controversy and useless confusions, doubts and debates. while it's usuaul for members to bring up things like this now and then, coming from a US official it's even more anger invoking, simply because it's a wrong way of using words and saying something. clearly either that official is antiPak or lacks enough knowledge of how such matters could lead to sensitive sparking here, but thats unlikely with him after all being a state dept official and thus smart enough, so perhaps the statement was intentionally made to create a bad taste in Pakistan.

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Haris bhai,

since u r moderator, and u blatantly use the word terrorism to justify deleting posts, y not u define what u think it means

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read my post no 41.

p.s. who used the word 'delete'?

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I guess Zia-ul-Haq has set something in stone with that first historic meeting.

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You mean you didn’t know :smiley:

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he sounds more like official spokesman atleast he is getting paid .

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“This is the problem with you Indian members here. always looking for opportunties to erupt battles, between Pakistanis or between Indians and Pakistanis. hear this clear, this time we let this go, in future any posts that have an element which could lead to confusions, civil wars, wars, misunderstandings here, will be considered acts of terrorism and will be edited or removed without warning”

So u remove posts without deleting them? Gotta brush up my CS courses.

Again, ur terrorism is "always looking for opportunties to erupt battles, between Pakistanis or between Indians and Pakistanis. " ???

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Oh Boy! the same old hackneyed comments about Pakistan, Kashmir, cross border terrorism, cargil… My country this …Your country that…
Second guessing and ridiculing motives, rebuking the steps our respective countries are taking in order to achieve PEACE.

MY Dear Talwar. I hope we don’t have people like you on our side cause if we do then forget people to people contact , forget friendly neighbors, cause in that case neither of us deserve it. Yaar! if you cant be of help at least don’t poison our minds against India.

PS to Mods. Talwar is no longer a dear please strike off the word dear in the above comment and fill it with any appropriate word you wish. :)

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rvikz: Please could you explain your comment.
thanks.

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just a joke

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:slight_smile: .

Very nice stunt by the New Delhi crowd hahaha.....

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Pakora,

The problem with desis is that we fight like crazy and then tend to go bhai-bhai without looking back and learning the lessons on why we fought. Real peace cannot happen unless we understand why we fought in the first place and how those issues can be addressed.

We are at a stage where military options have failed and only bear a risk of total annihilation. Therefore when we talk peace, it must be such that all parties have something to gain and no one forces anything on the other.

In the end, India has to make peace with both Pakistan and the Kashmiris on the Indian side. For Pakistan, there should be something to say that peace works. I feel it can come through trade and human interaction. Pakistan must also have something to show for 55 years of on and off struggle to get Kashmir. For the Kashmiris, the Indian soldiers have to go back to the barracks so that they can atleast begin to have a semblance of normal life. For India, there cannot be any sign that jihadi tactics have made it give up territory.

Towards this end, I feel that soft borders is the first step. For soft borders to work, we need a winding up of jihadi acts. It appears that Pakistan is starting to get that.

With more such moves, we can hopefully get to a stage one day where neither side feels so attached to the territory. :)

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From CSMonitor.

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The last time President Pervez Musharraf came to India, in July 2001, he was feted by celebrities and given a red-carpet treatment worthy of a king. Yet the former commando completely failed to win concessions on the disputed territory of Kashmir, or to improve relations between India and Pakistan.

This time, the tone of his visit has been much more low-key - lunch with the Indian president here, visit to a Sufi shrine there, and a 70-minute stop at a cricket match, which Pakistan won. Yet Mr. Musharraf might actually achieve something lasting, including a revived discussion of Kashmir and a few solid steps toward normalized economic and political relations between the two nuclear rivals, observers say.

Now the rhetoric of “lasting solutions” has been replaced by less ambitious, but more practical talk of “softer borders.” Still, for the time being, the most important point seems to be that people are talking, not shooting.

While both the Indians and the Pakistanis have been remarkably quiet about the content of discussions, those close to the Indian government say that India has begun to press Pakistan to accept the so-called Line of Control as a permanent division of Kashmir. Western diplomats here say this is a sensible solution. India and Pakistan have fought three wars against each other (four, if you count the Pakistani incursion of 1999 at the Kashmiri town of Kargil), and neither side is willing to give up territory that was won at significant cost in lives and money.

In the meantime, India has proposed seven “confidence-building measures,” including additional bus routes between Indian and Pakistani Kashmir, increased cross-border trade, joint promotion of tourism, and cooperation on environmental issues such as forest management. Sunday the two sides agreed to increase transport links, boost business ties, and explore ways to reduce the military presence in Kashmir.

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Talwar, I think you missed the gist of the report… They are NOT saying the are rewarding Pakistan solely for peace with India. The goal is this…
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"It is in both India’s interest and Pakistan’s interest and in America’s interest that Pakistan feel secure, if it doesn’t obtain that security at the expense of making everybody else feel insecure. But it is important that the Pakistani people and government feel secure, because – just as it’s important that the Indian Government has to feel secure. Because if those two governments don’t feel secure, then all the thaw we’re seeing in Indo-Pakistani relations and all the opportunities we’re seeing for diplomatic improvement are going to vanish as those mutual insecurities feed a spiral of hostility and suspicion.

And that’s what we’re trying to avoid here. We’re trying to move forward in a way where both countries are able to sustain the sense of security they’re going to need to build on the diplomatic openings that you’re seeing on the subcontinent."
So this means thatthe purpose of the sale is to make Pakistan feel secure in the presence of India and Indians secure at the same time by selling to them aswell… SO HOW CAN YOU INTERPRET THIS AS REWARDING PAKISTAN???
Really you need to get over yourself.. A big head is only going to give you a sore neck.. :slight_smile: