Musharraf hits out at retired generals

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Which happened at the same time he was sacking the judiciary.

The PEMRA regulations came out, and channels were asked to sign. Consequence, legally, of not signing, was shuttting them down. Which they did for GEO, right? Nothing illegal there - regulations come out all the time from governmental institutions and they can execute a punishment if they want. GEO should be able to take it to the courts, though, it just HAPPENED that the courts were being sacked at the same time.

So, its a tough call, but you are right in your theory. However, that would hold up in a civilized society where there is some intact judicial system. Pakistan's judiciary might have been ianatomically ntact, but it was functionally not intact. Taking a case to a fragmented court system, with all the violence the lawyers were involved in, wouldn't have helped much.

Therefore, what he did was questionable, but I don't see that if the same happened in America, that it would be seen as a questionable thing here. In the US, if you have a TV station, and you were to bring clerics preaching an offensive form of Islam, as they were doing on some of these channels (also now reminds me of a vehementally violent cleric from London they had on some ARY London show), they would be shut down, and no questions asked.

Again, it shows where the mindset of the Pakistani people is. Its at a point of "Well, we don't like it, and I wouldn't blow myself up...but someone's gotta teach those white people a lesson!"

And so of course, these things seem more upsetting to Pakistanis.

Shoot, I'd be mad too if my favorite cooking show were off air. But I wouldn't regret not seeing the ridiculously hideous faces (and equally hideous messages) of violent clerics on the TV.

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No PCG, if the Judiciary isnt there to hold the media accountable then the govt has no authority to do it themselves...
It didnt JUST happen to coincide with sacking of the judiciary...
Mush planned the whole thing.

Keep this in Mind... MUSH had absolutely NO authority to call an emergency...

Mush had ABSOLUTELY no authority to sack the judiciary...

Mush has ABSOLUTELY no authority to shut down the media...

Tecnically speaking, Mush isnt even the actual President.. Mush has no legal authority, he is currently just a civilian and nothing more...

Fact remain PCG, Mush used dictatorial and illegal means to shut down independant media...

You argument doesnt make sense... Are you saying that just becasue the Judiciary isnt around to hold a trial, that a person or a group can be punished without trial?!?!?

If you are accused of a crime, and there is no judiciary to hold trial, should you be considered guilty?
What ever happened to innocent till proven guilty?

Essentially that is what happned here.. The Media was ASSUMED to be guilty without the recource of a trial.
That doesnt make sense at all.

I dont agree with allowing violent and grotesque scenes on the tv, but if a law is violated, then allow the Media to defend themselves in court...

And lets not fool ourselves... Mush did not block the Media for violating Pemra rules.. It was to shut down vocal opposition to his illegal Emergency and thus preventing any organized protest. That is why GEO was most effected, because their reporters are most critical of this imcompetant dictator.

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Pp lalay, How about we go back to days when their is one channel? It will make life alot easier.

The reality Mush is not going anywhere, he can be killed afterall he don't fit in American plans anymore. Ns and immi is avaiable. So we should be ready for one more tregedy. Even Ns or anyone else came to power. Ex-judges are not coming back coz America, west; Islamic countries, establishment, politicans and military won't let this happen. I 100% believe so called democracy will never be implemented in Pakistan, doesn't fit in the plans**

** Gazwah Hind, destruction of India, a military rule came after zia. All of these predictions can be found in the books of some great saints. If you want I can post some links regarding that. If they are right then Musharraf is the man.

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I dont care about one channel meri jaan... I demand along with millions of others, the rule of law and justice.

The reality is that Musharaf is a vile dictator whos authority comes from the end of a gun. He will remain in power as any dictator has, through criminal disregard for human rights and justice...

The Chief Justice will remain the Cj and the country will never see political stability while Mush contiues this badmashi. He will never be allowed any rest. The country will contiue to be embroiled in turmoil and people like you will celebrate.

I dont agree with anything you say, I think your naive and ill infomed.. Not only this, but you are criminally negligent in supporting this dictator against the country.

Whether you like it or not, these are the last days of this Mush dictatorhsip. No one supports him other then you and your pals.. The sooner you stop this delusion of yours the better. Denial only makes you look immature.

The fact that your getting defensive exposes the fact that you have ABSOLUTELY no clue what your talking about.. So spare me you inane responses.

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post the links please bro, sounds interesting

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^^ I will post some links when I reach home. In the mean time you can search about gazwah hind , hadiths regarding it. being a muslim I have to believe it, then the mush is the man. Their is a prediction the general who will conquer Delhi will die of heart attack.

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well this one I can post from phone too long links…
http://www.ghazwatulhind.com/hayat/hayat_tayaba.htm *

  • his complete book is also avaiabale online. For further reference one can read Shahab nama, Alakh nagri. Their is one more world out their about which we have no idea.
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Any chance you could find that in English please bro… :slight_smile: i’d appreciate it. sounds like something interesting to read.

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^^ doc ji, kafi asan Urdu mein hai. Itni tu aani chahyia. Let's back where we were, any views on these saints sayings, coz its not only one their are couple of others well known peer fakhir who wrote about it. One thing is common in all of their writing is "it will be a general not a political personality"...that let me to believe their will never be democracy type system untill gazwah hind and return of Issa. Wallah o Alam.

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The supporters of every ghunda in our history try to justify their illegal acts by twisting religious writings in their own favour....a very shameful act...

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^^Well kid I am not twisting anything, did I write to believe me?. I post links consult them, then come back and start your rants.

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To quote Hadith here to justify unlawful behaviour....do you have any shame???

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Again we were talking about gazwah hind and saints writing, you are miss understanding. I am not saying mushi is the one. Come on buddy read last 7 posts with in context.

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In two minutes you take a flip flop...

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Looks like Mushrro wants to take the exit like Zia, who is probably every dictators idol after hitler.

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^^ if they are right..duh
** gazwah hind mentioned in Hadith.
** a general will conquer India, written by saints.
** a general will come after zia, his rule will be bloody and he will make everything right, wrote by saints.

Uffffffff.... Its difficult to write from iPhone so start using brain.

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Please do that ASAP....it will be good for you...

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you seem to have made it your duty to butt in everywhere for no reason. Dictators are right? huh!Rats arse!
please give your thumb and brain some rest they need plenty of it. And every other kid has an iphone these days this is not the showing of forum so dont try to show off its not a big deal.

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^^ that post was for yazdi not for you. By the way your reply was classy, shows your mental level....

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e33or, religious scriptures can be twisted to justify anything under the sun. Also, keep in mind that throughout the human history worse mas murders took places in the name of God.