Musharraf hits out at retired generals

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As I mentioned that I would make people pay for their wrong reporting (Lies) ... and that has to be heavy, way that I would consider right how to deal with liars ... you came up with good idiom.

You are right. There are some who love to propagate wrong reporting (lies) and thus they keep liars as company ... and those that stand for truth and would like to keep company of people who stand for truth.

So, think of what you wrote, try to understand what I wrote, and than think whatever you like. :)

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I think the best person that can rule the country is, one who is honest and stand for honesty, but it does not end there. He has to be strong and should act against corrupts, trouble makers, and liars, with iron fist.

True, one have to first determine right path and for that one have to be intelligent and thoughtful, as lot of discussion and thinking is required, but once direction is determined, one have to follow that direction with as much determination and commitments as possible.

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I agree as well. :)
A leader's no leader unless he has the support of public. Afterall it is the public's mandate that put him there. And an honest leader always remembers that and acts in accord with it.

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Uh, no, you say that the Paki media has done nothing wrong. They have telecasted and supported the testimonies of terrorists. I say, they shouldn't be allowed to do that. You say they should. In other words, you support a platform for terrorists to preach upon. Therefore, you support terrorists. Ab aye samaj mein, or do I need to dumb it down more for ya?

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Not if the public is supporting terrorism. Oh wait, that would include you. Nevahmind!

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What you need to do is quote me saying such....you can say all you want. I didn't even mention the Paki media......Go on Quote me and show me where i've said it....I still challenge you to.

You do talk alot without any proof. And in the process of assuming you make an a** outta...well u know the rest.

PS: i already told you, you speak too naively out of excitement, hence the 'edit' of your original post. lol maybe you ought to train yourself to stand your ground and back-up what you 'believe' to be the truth. Have some substance in what you say, will ya! Jeeez

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the war on terror has many facets and many faces that need debate. if its not debated YOU* could be dead!

** of muslim background, pakistanis go first!*

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Pakistan is a sick country, 160 million people are drowning it. Jihadi/Taliban, half of nation support these bas-tards. Media run by foregin powers. Theif judges and lawyers movement funded by India for destabilizing Pakistan... Nearly all politicans are corrupt. According to some people every child born or unborn hate mush? Why the f**k is he still President and getting vvip protocol. Freak nation must be cursed.

P.S. Mush have to become real dictator, start sending opponents to graves. If a sniper shot or suicider blow qazi, theif justice woulnt it be good? What kind a advisors mushi have thy are gonna sink him. Poor mushi...

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Sounds fimiliar…like Dec. 27 fimiliar.. :hmmm:

Now SEE how easily your naive and thoughtless rants can be understood in different context. Please be careful of what you say.

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Get whatever meaning you want, the reality is he is not a dictator otherwise their will be no such issues like judges, ns and media. May Allah save him from enemies seen and unseen.

P.S. Even President killed, we have kiyani as second option and then general majid.

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You said:

Media does what it is supposed to do, worldwide.

No, it doesn't always do what its supposed to do. Its supposed to report objectively and accurately, and with some ethics. Ethics would mean yes, you can broadcast the "other side's" story. But when there is clear brainwashing going on - hell no. That's the crap they do in their madrassas and they get away with manipulating the poor lives of so many civilians who just don't know when they're being taken for a ride. There's no need to subject more people to that insanity. Its irresponsible reporting. And worldwide, media stations have similar PEMRA-sort agreements with their governments - they're on tight regulations of what they can and cannot show. GEO and these other channels were showing gory images of mutilated bodies - there has got to be a limit between civilized and uncivilized broadcasting.

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yeaaa....and that includes west, east, north, south! Media is responsible for reporting and that's exactly what it does. When the suicide bombers were caught, they reported that as well, and in detail i might add. But i don't hear you giving them credit for that.

Just like CNN doesn't report everything you wanna hear.

So, where do you get the notion that because i support the media and ALL media, that i'm a taliban sympathiser? haha lol u do amuse me quite a bit.

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Again, I think the logic is quite clear. I don't get why you don't get it, other than you're being your usual aggressive self when you see your argument isn't holding up.

So, lets try again, shall we?

You support media - all media (your words, not mine, baby)
within "all media" --> some subset of the "all media" shows terrorists giving their lectures on air, trying to gain public support.

hence ... you support the act of giving terrorists some spotlight to get public support.

You still with me? You tell me where the statements start becoming false for you.

Therefore, you support terrorists in getting their message across to the world.

Therefore, you sympathize with terrorists. If totally disagreed with them and saw them as destructive forces, you'd want them to be banned from advertising their message.

By the way, for the record, let me make it quite clear. I don't support Musharraf's closing of the private channels. I don't even support the entire PEMRA, except where it makes it clear to stop showing terrorist messages and stop showing dead bodies from incidents like Lal Masjid which generate more sympathy for terrorists. I do think PEMRA was biased in making Mush look good, because it also contained clauses to not speak ag/Musharraf. Actually, I'm sort of divided in this, because the country's own media being so vehemently anti-Musharraf doesn't help the national crisis the country is in, but nevertheless, it is a biased piece of a contract in that regard. I think GEO and ARY do a great job (those are the only 2 channels I watch regularly, so I can't speak for other channels), but I think they should NOT be giving coverage to biased maulvis from around the country as they did during Lal Masjid where every hoo haa was on the air condemning the government for actually taking steps to STOP terrorism. That was wrong because laloo Pakistanis happen to take clerics very seriously, even when they're wrong.

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I haven't seen terrorists giving lectures and them being aired. You have, which is why u can say that with such confidence.

I suggest you stop watching those channels because you're supporting them instead.

How does it feel to be on the other side of the fence now?

I'm done with you. You don't have any substance in what you say, it's like arguing with a child. All you can do is just twist and take the facts out of context. How noble and debateworthy!

Hasta La Vista

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So...are you planning on never really clarifying your position? So, you haven't seen those terrorist-supporters on TV? That's your cop-out? Well, then you're really not in a position to make any supportive claims for or against any television channel, now are you, since you don't have your facts laid out on the table?

I don't pay for those channels, so of course I'm not supporting them. I had the guts to not only write to GEO when I found out about their coverage, but I also wrote to dishnetwork as well. Haven't heard of any further instances of such business from them onwards.

And that my friend, is called : Identifying the problem, being a vigilant citizen, and taking action.

I think GEO has actually signed the PEMRA, right? Not sure, but they're back on air in Pakistan, and I truly think they might walk a more straight line since. I did recently see a show by Aalim Online, where the host actually emphasized to the clerics on the show that not enough is being done by the clerics in Pakistan to denounce suicide bombing and to educate pple about it so that they don't fall into it.

My original thesis is complete. Media is very powerful, and can be a great part of society, but must adhere to certain national regulations. And thankfully, Mush isn't such a git that the regulations are SOOOO severe on the stations. If it was Castro, the station would have been castrated.

:)

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Yes that's great that he introduced and favored a variety of media businesses to operate on national airwaves. Kudos for that!

But there is a way to handle things, he just went bazzurk. Have you even read the recent reports of his blunders on t.v. stations while talking in Europe?

I was amongst one of the first people that favored him because he came with a very clear mandate and a vision of true democracy, and then he would be out and about and return to him doing what he does best. But that's not the case now, and hasn't been for quite a while. People are frustrated because he says one thing, and does another. His alliances of minister are all mashaAllah crooks of the highest level. If he really did want to make Pakistan better, the least he could do was to form Q-League with some decent people within it, instead the leaders are Chaudhries.....

Can you not see the hypocracy there?

And i say again, like i have a million times. Me watching GEO TV/AAG/ARY/AAJ/CNN/FOX/ABC/NBC/BBC does not make me a taliban supporter. You would amuse anyone if you said that to them. Reallly you would. They might think you've been puffing the magic dragon because it sounds totally absurd coming from someone who claims to be educated.

I do NOT give a rat's behind about terrorists (domestic and international) or any individual who commits heinous acts. That's clear as it'll ever be, unless ofcourse your own vision is clouded then there's not much i can say/do about that.

Thanks again. :)

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Mush is a man besieged by his own incompetance… Like many dictators and corrupt rulers in history, Paranoia is just part of the job…
List of Paranoid dictators:

Caligula, Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussain, Pol Pot, Pervez Mushraf…:slight_smile:

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Again, you misread and misinterpret. Nowhere did I say that by WATCHING a specific channel, you become a terrorist supporter. But you do become a terrorist supporter when you think a media channel shouldn't have to agree (ex. PEMRA) to stop telecasting terrorist-sympathizers and their terrorist-type messages.

Two big different things.

I agree with most of what you've said. He started off well, and made some weird decisions. And I do agree that the WAY he shut off the channels, etc etc was all wrong. But I do think GEO, especially with the way they were reporting and inciting on problems, should have to sign an agreement like PEMRA (sans pro-Mush crap). I think that's where YOU don't agree. And frankly, that sort of thing does make a person a terrorist-sympathizer, because then you think there shouldn't be any hardcore action against terrorists. They need a clear message. They need to know that Pakistanis do not want them on their soil. Then they'll leave. They're not leaving, because a good chunk of Pakistanis have said "Velcome velcome, chai shai?"

I do think all this ministers are crooks. Unfortunately, he is working in a feudal-mediated society. I'd love to see an eradication of this system, but I don't see it happening with serious national security threats on the horizon, and I assure you, the Chaudris are quite in bed with the President on this one. No one wants to see the Taleban take over any more land, and that was evident when they tried to take Swat.

That's politics baby. Sometimes you just gotta take some crap to get rid of other crap.

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Media shouldnt be showing dead terrorists and their victims, but the media has a right to defend itself in court...
Mushies crime was in shutting down the channels illegally, without rocource of the courts...
The govt must take the media to court, and only the courts can then force them to follow PEMRA rules...

Mush, does not respect the judiciary or the rule of law, and so he shut down the channels by foce, illegaly...

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Again, ONLY the Courts can force the Media to follow the PEMRA rules. The Courts must decide whether Media violated the PEMRA rules.

GEO doesnt have to sign anything...
They havent been proven guilty of any crime... In signing this agreement with the govt, they are admiting guilt..
The GOVT has no authority to decide whether the Media violated the laws of PEMRA.

The govt should have taken the media to the courts, shown the courts how laws were violated, allow the media to defend itself and then leave the decision of guilt to courts...

Only then, if the courts find the media guilty should the media be punished, partuclarly if they dont agree to the rules.