Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
MQM headquarters is the symbol of bhattaism and qurbani ki khaal processing center!
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
MQM headquarters is the symbol of bhattaism and qurbani ki khaal processing center!
That's also true! But whatever I have written is true as well!
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
No doubt about that quota-system was very un-just...as i previously said...many problems were faced by Muhajirs....but this was started by ZAB ...i think...another sindhi...why they started thier hatred towards Punjab and other provinces..if some person is notorious...then does it means the whole province from which this person belongs becomes notorious...thats funny.....
and secondly when people of Karachi and sindh always welcommed them in election specially in 1988 elections...then best solution was to negate this quota system by assembly......but when they got seats...they started behaving as God.....killing innocenet people....bhatta...ethnic bases hatred...then started "punga" with army on Major Kaleem torture Case in 1991....tortured this innocent major with his two men in Landhi torture cell...naked him...filmed himm...give electric shocks...and brutally tortured him....and raised slogans that kill Punjabi army...the man was of sindh unit...hatred towards army...ISI..the pseudo stories of hatred and Establishment...blamming Army ....... who wake at night so the you all people sleep safe and sound in your hot cozy rooms !!!!!!!.......Kala Bagh issue...differences of punjabis and pakhtoons etc....
now when some party get seats...is this his attitude...instead of helping those muhajirs from which votes they entered assembly...they made "muhajirs" something like a symbol of hatred due to thier own mischiefs....they even ruined the muhajir genuine problems....just in a pride of that they are now all in all of Sindh...they crossed all limits ...remembering of the saying of the Lion of God(ra) that "jub kameeno ko iqtadar milta hai to wo sari hado ko phalang jatai hai"....the same thing happened to MQM.....what good did these chopped bodies..drilled bodoies and torture cells...and bori-band lashai for the "muhajir cause".....facist and hitler like tactics....killing Shaheed Salahuddin ...the editor of Takbeer as he was unleashing MQM brutality...burning time and again Jang Press...creating state within a state....bringing the city of light economy to zero....terror ....no investment...burning own factories...cars..buses and motor-cycles....killing the whole generation of karachi......
What else did MQM for "Muhajir Cause " !!!!!!!!
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
dawa_i_dil
“but this was started by ZAB ...i think”
Again wrong. The quota system was introduced in General Yahya Khan’s era when he dismantle one unit system of Ayub Khan. More over ZAB was more Punjabi than Sindhi. He became PM due to Punjabi vote not by Sindhi vote. Before you write any thing confirm it and get your biased perception straightenout.
FARID
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
Yes I live there! What do you want to ask? And MQM is not an Islamic party! Moreover I have already clarified that I never supported MQM. But I see this positive thing on their part!
I don't see what is so positive about this. Probably they are all paying bhatta to keep there spot.
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
Decent 6Chora
"Why the generation of Balochis, Punjabis and Pakhtoons which was born in Sindh, dont identify themselves as SINDHI? When i was in Karachi, I had lots of friends who were born in Karachi but used to identify themselves as Punjabis (not that I have any problem with that, but your question gives way to this question of mine)"
As far I know people born in Sindh are proud to call themselves as Sindhi. Pathans settled in Sultankot are very much Sindhis. So are Baluchis and Punjabis. Only Muhajir have kept their identiy separate and proud to be called themselves as MQM.
As regard Quota system I have seen large number of Muhajir living in Sindh are also beneficiaries of the system. Quota System exist every where in the world. Have ever heard of Quota System for minorities, women and disabled persons in Canada and USA. Educational disparity and/or less representation are the result of such system so that every one gets fair share. What's wrong with it?
If you think that Quota System was the basis of formation of MQM, then what it has done since 1986 to correct it? Dick, except killing, kidnapping, money exhorting, crime etc. MQM was formed by Zia-ul-Haq to counter Sindhis who always support PPP. But man proposes God disposes.
FARID
Farid,
Your looks like your first hand knowledge is limited to Sultankot. Have you been to Karachi and asked some ppl from these ethnicity if they call them Sindhi? I bet not. I know Pathans from Sultankot. They in fact ARE merged with local population but then so do Mohajirs. Its good that you brought up Sultankot here coz my Aunt (Phoppo) used to live there (she is no more :( ) and we used to visit her quite often. She was so integrated with the locals k no one could have identify her as "mohajir" and she used to teach "Sindhi" in local school too.
2ndly I don't know why do you think that every "mohajir" is "MQM" (its like we call all Pathans as "ANP" and all Punjabis as "PPI-Panjabi Pakhtoon Itehad - another terrorist organization)? Whatever has MQM done, i have never supported them and i have never voted for them but reality is that discrimination on the basis of ethnicity underlined the word "mohajir". If Quota system is SOOOO good and helpful for the POOR, why we dont have that in Punjab and other provinces after all poor people in these provinces also deserve a good life, don't they?
PS: are you from Sultankot? if yes we may have played together :)
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
As far I know people born in Sindh are proud to call themselves as Sindhi. Pathans settled in Sultankot are very much Sindhis. So are Baluchis and Punjabis. Only Muhajir have kept their identiy separate and proud to be called themselves as MQM.
As regard Quota system I have seen large number of Muhajir living in Sindh are also beneficiaries of the system. Quota System exist every where in the world. Have ever heard of Quota System for minorities, women and disabled persons in Canada and USA. FARID
so these sindhi guys who come to NED or DOW and get in with 80% marks, are they a minority in sindh, women or are they disabled?
Not all ppl in Karachi are MQm, just like all sindhis are not Jiye Sindh and sindhu desh idiots.
and the vast majority considers themselves pakistani until the whole ethnicity starts, I am punjabi, I am sindhi, I am Pathan, what are you?
and one can consider themselves as much sindhi as they want, but when they are cross questioned on their background, they are not considered ethnic sindhies, oh u are not a palejo, junejo, varraich etc. I have cousins who have farms in Khai, and speak fluent sindhi and never identified themselves as Muhajir until the ppl referred to them as makkar and other generous terms used for migrants and their offspring by our sindhi brethren.
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farid sahab ...i hate biasness...punjabi vote...sindhi vote and such stupidities...!!!!!
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Fraudia,
"So these sindhi guys who come to NED or DOW and get in with 80% marks, are they a minority in sindh, women or are they disabled"?
They are minorities in Karachi. They have equal rights to these institutions. By the way both institutions were at top when MQM did not exist. Now they are at the bottom list according to Higher Education Islamabad. Go figure it out, what had happened after muhjir took over both the institutions?
Decent6Chora,
“Have you been to Karachi and asked some ppl from these ethnicity if they call them Sindhi? I bet not.”
You may be right because of MQM persecution and harassment.
dawa_i_dil
“farid sahab ...i hate biasness...punjabi vote...sindhi vote and such stupidities...!!!!!”
Yeah right, it is o.k. for MQM to Muhajir vote.
FARID
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
Fraudia,
"So these sindhi guys who come to NED or DOW and get in with 80% marks, are they a minority in sindh, women or are they disabled"?
They are minorities in Karachi. They have equal rights to these institutions. By the way both institutions were at top when MQM did not exist. Now they are at the bottom list according to Higher Education Islamabad. Go figure it out, what had happened after muhjir took over both the institutions?
equating idiotic MQM to mohajirs is equating moronic Jiye Sindh to sindhies.
screw MQM, we were talking the quota system.
and if you are going to talk about institution quality based on which ethnicity runs it, then I am also very well aware of the quality..or lack thereof that defines insitutions like jamshoro or chandka etc. I guess morons do mess up quality of educational institutions whether they are MQm types or Jiye Sindh types.
and what do you mean by 'they are minorities in karachi' karachi is a part of sindh, and they are not a minority in sindh.
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
I have non punjai friends whose families migrated to lahore. They were born in Lahore, grew up in lahore, speaking punjabi and calling themselves punjabi. But then ppl ask, so whats your zaat, are you khokhar, dogar, randhawa, whatever, what do they say to that, and then they hear, oh so you are not REAL punjabis.
thats weird...
People in india and especially east punjab have practically all zaats that we have in west punjab. I dont see how they are not real punjabis even if their zaat is not one of the more identifiable ones. I mean its not ur zaat that makes you punjabi.
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
I don't see what is so positive about this. Probably they are all paying bhatta to keep there spot.
You are exagerrating! This is by no means the case.
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
farid sahab ...i hate biasness...punjabi vote...sindhi vote and such stupidities...!!!!!
Something positive from you!
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
They have equal rights to these institutions. By the way both institutions were at top when MQM did not exist. Now they are at the bottom list according to Higher Education Islamabad. Go figure it out, what had happened after muhjir took over both the institutions?
This is vice versa! In the early years when there was no quota system, there were more able and good persons to control these institutes! With the arrival of quota system, the quality declined! Now the quality is found in private institutes like Aga Khan and Sir Syed University!
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thats weird...
People in india and especially east punjab have practically all zaats that we have in west punjab. I dont see how they are not real punjabis even if their zaat is not one of the more identifiable ones. I mean its not ur zaat that makes you punjabi.
did i say they migrated from east punjab? you just proved my point.
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
By the way both institutions were at top when MQM did not exist. Now they are at the bottom list according to Higher Education Islamabad. Go figure it out, what had happened after muhjir took over both the institutions?
FARID
Well you are right! The biggest crime of the MQM is that it destroyed Karachi's education. Open cheating was limited to Lyari in Karachi before the 1988. MQM made it rampant throughout the city! And that devastated Karachi's education.
But I saluate Dr Wahab who did his best to correct the situation after 1992.
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I have non punjai friends whose families migrated to lahore. They were born in Lahore, grew up in lahore, speaking punjabi and calling themselves punjabi. But then ppl ask, so whats your zaat, are you khokhar, dogar, randhawa, whatever, what do they say to that, and then they hear, oh so you are not REAL punjabis.
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Not true, may be they want to get a sympathy from you. There are plenty of Siddiques, Farooqis, Qureshis and Ansaris in Punjab and they are never treated as outsider.
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I dont know the situation now, but when for jobs you had to show an interior sindh domicile (meaning natiev sindhis basically) and same for education, they have reserved seats for natve sindhis in universities in Karachi, which basically means that someone with 85% from sakkhar can get into dow medical while someone with a 92% from Karachi can not get in, then we have an issue
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This idea has been accepted widely across the world, people who have less oppurtunities should be promoted. India has qoutas for SCs, STs and OBs.
If son of a Hari from a village in interior Sindh takes 85% marks then he shud have preference over one from Karachi with 92% marks, he simply had much lesser oppurtunities.
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If son of a Hari from a village in interior Sindh takes 85% marks then he shud have preference over one from Karachi with 92% marks, he simply had much lesser oppurtunities.
That's good! But why this is not applied in the cases of other provinces then?
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Not true, may be they want to get a sympathy from you. There are plenty of Siddiques, Farooqis, Qureshis and Ansaris in Punjab and they are never treated as outsider.
they are not the 'victim' kinds that want to get sympathy for me. lets avoid using the terms like 'always' and 'never' because you and I both know that that is not the case.
some people may have experiences where they were treated liek outsiders and some who were never treated like outsiders, but niether experiences is a universal truth.
This idea has been accepted widely across the world, people who have less oppurtunities should be promoted. India has qoutas for SCs, STs and OBs. If son of a Hari from a village in interior Sindh takes 85% marks then he shud have preference over one from Karachi with 92% marks, he simply had much lesser oppurtunities.
sure, then this quota system needed to be implemented nationally the same way :)
Re: MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony
That's good! But why this is not applied in the cases of other provinces then?
Sure it should be everywhere.