MQM Headquaters is symbol of religious tolerence and harmony

[Man_with_a_Plan]

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@Mostar95

I have never supported MQM but surprisingly MQM has supported religious tolerence as evident by these facts:

1. On one side of its offices, there is a shia mosque + imam bargah namely Bu Turab.

2. On its other side - the place of worship of Ahmedis/qadianis

3. A few furlongs away in the north west, there's the taleeghi jamat markaz in Karachi - Madni masjid where people gather in their thousand over the islamic weekend

4. Next to this masjid is the Aga Khani's jamat khana!

5. In south east, there is a christian church.

6. Further down from there is a Al-hadees mosque!

7. Few hindus also reside in the area.

What were you doing at 90? BTW, can you tell me whether the thela near block 8 is still present? :o

[system]

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@mostar

Its far better for me not to talk with the religious fanatics like you

i am not religious but i will not spare anybody who will ever think a bad to the one sand grain of the lands of my homeland "Pakistan"...will think about its seperation...and raise slogans for independence on basis of 1940 resolution...we all will crush down anyone who even think of it...even think...lets its be clear to all MQM supporters and MQM lovers....

[system]

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@man with a plan

What were you doing at 90? BTW, can you tell me whether the thela near block 8 is still present?

yes ..you are right...thela and bori band lashai strategy has temperorily stopped...because mobile khori is now the order of the day.....

[USResident]

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This title is a joke … can you classify anything as Islamic that MQM does before putting them under the title of promoting religious tolerance. I want to ask the starter of this thread if he has ever lived in Karachi?

[AQ]

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@USResident

can you classify anything as Islamic that MQM does

yes... my man! they come and forcefully take the skin of the slaughtered animal from you on eid ul adhaa :)

[system]

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^ also that drama Dr. Amir Liauqat Hussain..who is lover of Jagjeet Singh ghazals alongwith reciting in milads and sham-e-ghareeba..... :D

[Mr_Fraudia]

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how is MQM really different from other such ethnic groups like Jiye Sindh, Baluch Liberation, the whole pakhtoon movement etc.

all have screwed up leadership and ideologies.

[Farid]

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One question always bothered me. Those who came from Khokhrapar in 1947 and onwards were refugees they may call themselves as MQM but why the whole generation born in Pakistan after 1947 call themselves as MQM? Why can’t they call themselves as Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis or Pakhtoons were they are actually born? If MQM consider themselves as separate and superior community then why not MQM created in India where they originally belonged to?

FARID

[Decent_6Chora]

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@Farid

One question always bothered me. Those who came from Khokhrapar in 1947 and onwards were refugees they may call themselves as MQM but why the whole generation born in Pakistan after 1947 call themselves as MQM? Why can’t they call themselves as Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis or Pakhtoons were they are actually born? If MQM consider themselves as separate and superior community then why not MQM created in India where they originally belonged to?

FARID

BECAUSE they were FORCED to identify themselves as Mohajirs. To start with, do you know about Quota System? How would you feel if you don't get a job you deserve rather its been given to someone else (who don't deserve,) just because that 2nd person is the resident of "some special area" -

Although my parents migrated from India but I consider myself a Pakistani and Sindhi but I was reminded of the reality (that I am not Sindhi) 1000000s of time. You will figure that out once you try to find a job (specially in Govt office) with KARACHI DOMICILE. Despite being on merit list after TEST AND INTERVIEW, I was unable to get job in PIA and lost it to "someone with INTERIOR'S domicile", same was the situation with College/University admissions and so on........

PS: I am not justifying MQM's acts by this post but only giving you the answer you are looking for.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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decent 6chora, thanks for your post. I guess people who did not have to deal with domiciles issue and quotas that worked against them will not understand

I have non punjai friends whose families migrated to lahore. They were born in Lahore, grew up in lahore, speaking punjabi and calling themselves punjabi. But then ppl ask, so whats your zaat, are you khokhar, dogar, randhawa, whatever, what do they say to that, and then they hear, oh so you are not REAL punjabis.

its the same in sindh, and you mentioned the karachi domicile issue very well. I dont know the situation now, but when for jobs you had to show an interior sindh domicile (meaning natiev sindhis basically) and same for education, they have reserved seats for natve sindhis in universities in Karachi, which basically means that someone with 85% from sakkhar can get into dow medical while someone with a 92% from Karachi can not get in, then we have an issue.

Now to be fair, there were reserved seats for Karachi students in the third rate rural universities, but those who went there, did not have the positive experience that the sindhi students coming to Karachi had.

when ppl talk about apmso and MQM, they forget what sort of circumstances not only led to the formation of such groups, but widespread support for them, until they moved from becoming a political representation party to the goons that they became.

[USResident]

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^ I agree, MQMs charter in the beginning was genuine and just as well. The quota system is one of the banes Karachiites had faced. Many institutions enforced it like IIEE on university rd had a quota system though it was such a good institute but not all Karachiites got into it.

MQM now is nothing but a bunch of goons. They have long overlived their usefulness and someone needs to crush them. MQM was formed as a political tool by Zia to counter Sindhi (PPP at the time) influence in Karachi and hyderabad and use the prejudice as key to fan the flames. It was a real issue but married with the political scenario of why MQM came into existence ultimately inflated them with power hunger and we all know how it is now. Karachi's youth is destroyed now and lawlessness is so rampant it is unimaginable for a civil society.

There is definitely money in Karachi for many people but there is no security. MQM controls areas like a beggar does his vicinity. Its like this is my ilaqa so I do whatever I want with it. Like a beggar does not want another beggar to come and beg in his territory similarly MQM units do not want other parties to come an rob in their territories, let them do their own people.

[AQ]

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@Fraudz

khokhar, dogar, randhawa

[Decent_6Chora]

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@Farid

One question always bothered me. Those who came from Khokhrapar in 1947 and onwards were refugees they may call themselves as MQM but why the whole generation born in Pakistan after 1947 call themselves as MQM? Why can’t they call themselves as Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis or Pakhtoons were they are actually born? If MQM consider themselves as separate and superior community then why not MQM created in India where they originally belonged to?

FARID

and a this logic of yours raises another question

Why the generation of Balochis, Punjabis and Pakhtoons which was born in Sindh, dont identify themselves as SINDHI? When i was in Karachi, I had lots of friends who were born in Karachi but used to identify themselves as Punjabis (not that I have any problem with that, but your question gives way to this question of mine) :)

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

abay thats a real last name..whats so funny about randhawa, next you will lauch at cheema or butt

[AQ]

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abay thats a real last name..whats so funny about randhawa, next you will lauch at cheema or butt

sorry yaar .. Did I not see the extra 'a' after 'h' and pronounced 'd' as Ddaal than daal ?

[Decent_6Chora]

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^ Thats how your conscious wanted to read it :D

[Iconoclast]

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@Mostar95

** Well many sunni punjabies, pakhtoons and balochies are still living within the MQM's headquarters area.**

They should be thankful to MQM. Thank you MQM for leaving these people alive in area near you headquarters.

[Mostar95]

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They should be thankful to MQM. Thank you MQM for leaving these people alive in area near you headquarters.

Well if you are not fully informed, it will be better for you not to talk on the subject. Anyway its good that you are not a religious fanatic!

[Mostar95]

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@USResident

This title is a joke … can you classify anything as Islamic that MQM does before putting them under the title of promoting religious tolerance. I want to ask the starter of this thread if he has ever lived in Karachi?

Yes I live there! What do you want to ask? And MQM is not an Islamic party! Moreover I have already clarified that I never supported MQM. But I see this positive thing on their part!

[Farid]

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Decent 6Chora

"Why the generation of Balochis, Punjabis and Pakhtoons which was born in Sindh, dont identify themselves as SINDHI? When i was in Karachi, I had lots of friends who were born in Karachi but used to identify themselves as Punjabis (not that I have any problem with that, but your question gives way to this question of mine)"

As far I know people born in Sindh are proud to call themselves as Sindhi. Pathans settled in Sultankot are very much Sindhis. So are Baluchis and Punjabis. Only Muhajir have kept their identiy separate and proud to be called themselves as MQM.

As regard Quota system I have seen large number of Muhajir living in Sindh are also beneficiaries of the system. Quota System exist every where in the world. Have ever heard of Quota System for minorities, women and disabled persons in Canada and USA. Educational disparity and/or less representation are the result of such system so that every one gets fair share. What's wrong with it?

If you think that Quota System was the basis of formation of MQM, then what it has done since 1986 to correct it? Dick, except killing, kidnapping, money exhorting, crime etc. MQM was formed by Zia-ul-Haq to counter Sindhis who always support PPP. But man proposes God disposes.

FARID