MQM demands Karachi to be handed over to the Army

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So what kept them from solving their problems the last 12 years? MQM was part of the ruling coalition both with Musharraf and PPP, and had full control of the city.

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Under Musharraf ... for a city of 20 million, law and order situation in Karachi was fine.

Law and order deteriorated once PPP took over power in Sindh including policing, finance, administration (since 2010), and governing (since 2010) of Karachi ... and MQM as minority party in coalition had to toe PPP line.

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When MQM came up with round figures ... as they could not tell what votes they would get ... or this is a new propaganda from political opponents of MQM?

If you want to ... check my thread on Karachi election and you will see the numbers of votes MQM got from each constituencies, and none are round figures.

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//Don't mention ... else PTI supporters would start crying///

the question was simple .... in the general elections the voter turn out was above 60-65 %
in By elections the usual is it drops ....and then the voter vote on the basis of the results in the earlier elections and usually the party that wins in the earlier general election his candidate gets a normal then stronger chance to win ... but forget that ... just tell me the % of voter turn out ...in these by elections...!! is it difficult...??

..LOL... and who says I am a PTI sympethizer or voter or member...??

lagda ays dey andr daa khouf ays noun ... darawnay daraway khawab wikhaa rehee hey...

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Votes do come down in by-elections as voters are not that charged. Hence all party suffer getting reduced votes.

On the other hand, PTI voters were over charged in Karachi by-election too, as they were having wet-dream of winning 3 available seats in Karachi by-election, so votes PTI got in by-election is the maximum votes they could get.

There is rumour that a PTI pregnant voter delayed her delivery so that she can vote in Karachi NA 254 by-election. She came in ambulance to cast her vote. But obviously, that could be propaganda. :)

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No one should have an issue if Taleban TV channel has been closed by MQM. After all its their city they can do what ever they want to.

“BBC is a very reputable organisation. But after seeing the report, it seems that there has been an influence of pro-Taliban and radical forces,” blurted out a visibly disturbed Sattar.

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Did you miss the general elections results?

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Under Musharraf ... for a city of 20 million, law and order situation in Karachi was fine.
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In other words, the only people getting killed or arrested were non-MQM folks. As for law and order, law and order situation was pretty bleak even during Musharraf era. Remember May 12? That was Musharraf era too.

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I am not saying that you are PTI supporter. I just mentioned that since PTI was doing propaganda that they would win Karachi NA seat, for them to get one-tenth votes what MQM got must be so disappointing that when they hear or read they cry. :) ... obviously not you neither I meant that statement referring to you.

As for turnout ... it was low as happens in most by-elections

You are wrong that in general election turnout is around 60 to 70 percent. Historically, turnout in Karachi general election is around 40 percent, that is true all over Pakistan.

In by-election ... with army in and out of polling booth, turnout has to go down ... anyhow, turnout in last Karachi by-election was ... I think:

NA ... 17 %
PA ... 21 % and 32 %.

These figures are consistent with figures throughout Pakistan, where turnout on average in by-election was 20 to 30 percent.

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I think Karachi was better till MQM had the local government. PPP did not conduct local government elections and MQM tried to blackmail them for the same hence the dramas of resignations and their withdrawals. In the wake of May12 suddenly target killings started. One way target killings prompted others to arm themselves. As the city fell into an abyss, sectarian and terrorist groups also gained foothold. Here we are now MQM wants operation against every one else. Now it seems its almost impossible to restore peace in the city without an operation. And any operation in a metropolitan of Karachi's size could have dangerous repercussions (human catastrophe).

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..and nearly all LEA Personal linked with the so called 1992 operation were killed.... nearly 600 of them ... ..and off course every thing was peaceful....only not reported.

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..yes historically the turn out is usually around 44-45% ...but this time it was well above that.. around 60-65% ... . not only in Karachi but all over Pakistan...

...so the % was around 20% ...thats nearly 1/3 of the General election's turn out...!!..usually its around 50% not 32-33 %

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couldnt rig with impunity? :hmmm:

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No ... I gave general election results of each and every Karachi constituency in my thread I mentioned.

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In other words, the only people getting killed or arrested were non-MQM folks. As for law and order, law and order situation was pretty bleak even during Musharraf era. Remember May 12? That was Musharraf era too.
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non-MQM folks ... well, there are few in Karachi ... and fact is that, no killing was happening.

As for May 12 you mentioned ... that date itself shows that situation was pretty good because if it was bleak you would not have a date to mention as all dates would have been 'may 12' ... and in 8.5 years of Musharraf rule ... or 18500 days, if you can remember and mention one date (12 May) then you should be proud that situation was so good that you could mention a date.

In last 5 years of PPP rule one cannot mention any date because all dates are as bad as others and can compete with each other ... hence no particular day or date one can mention. :)

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There was army all around the polling booth and also inside the booth too … else PTI could have won after rigging the election :slight_smile:

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Well, this time Nawas and Imran was competing rigging the election in Punjab and KPK ... one can see from news that at one polling station from where Nawaz won ... registered voters were 150 and votes cast was 800. You could never find such happening in Karachi.

Anyhow, in Karachi as in past GE, total turnout in 2013 GE was around 40 to 45 percent (I have to check to confirm ...).

In GE 2008 ... turnout across Pakistan was 43.65 percent (confirmed from PEC site).

For comparison ... in by-election ... one energetic constituency was NA1 (Peshawar) where Bilor won. There turnout was 22 percent ... much less then GE as should be true in all constituencies.

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...this is an example of Propaganda...using half truths , and twisting touges......

Puchiyaa kee tey jawab key piya deyndaa.... Objectively puchiyaa..... %age kee see.... tey jawab rigging tey janay kee kee .... Lahool wala quawata...

..please stick to the Topic...

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^^^
Bhai ... khafa na ho ... in 2013 GE (May 2013) turnout was 55 percent and that was due to high rigging in mostly Punjab. Here is report that in many polling stations total vote cast was more than vote registered. This report is partial ... as later it was found that unprecedented huge rigging was done in most Punjab constituencies.

Today Imran is coming on TV crying that the constituency Nawaz won, at one polling station that had ~150 registered voters, ~ 800 votes got counted.

KARACHI: Statistics showing abnormally high turnout confirm reports of rigging at several polling stations across Pakistan.

In at least 49 polling stations around all four provinces of the country, the number of votes polled far exceeds the registered voters, according to data from elections observer group FAFEN.

These include six polling stations in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, 32 in Punjab, 10 in Sindh and one in Balochistan.

The largest discrepancy was found at a polling station in Rahim Yar Khan’s NA-193 constituency which witnessed a voter turnout of over 320 per cent, as 1010 votes were cast against 315 registered voters. A polling station in NA-6, Nowshera-II saw 2774 votes cast against 1023 maximum possible votes.

A polling station in Sindh’s NA-211 Naushero Feroze-I saw 982 votes against 491 votes, coming up to a voter turnout of 200 per cent.

The only constituency in Balochistan to witnessed over 100 per cent voter turnout was NA-262 Killa Abdullah, where at a polling station 184 per cent or 581 ballots against 315 registered voters were polled.

According to FAFEN’s observations, 32 polling stations in Punjab received over 100 per cent votes.

These included polling stations in NA-71 Mianwali-I, NA-122 Lahore-V, NA-124 Lahore-VII, NA-126 Lahore-IX, NA-127 Lahore-X, NA-128 Lahore-XI, NA-130 Lahore-XIII, NA-101 Gujranwala-VII, NA-105 Gujrat-II, NA-115 Narowal-I, NA-140 Kasur-III, NA-142 Kasur-V, NA-143 Okara-I, NA-147 Okara-V, NA-148 Multan-I, NA-151 Multan-IV, NA-168 Vehari-II, NA-175 Rajanpur-II, NA-193 Rahim Yar Khan-II, NA-195 Rahim Yar Khan-IV, NA-52 Rawalpindi-III, NA-74 Bhakkar-II, NA-94 Toba Tek Singh-III, and NA-98 Gujranwala-IV.

The five constituencies in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa where number of votes was greater than voters registered at polling stations included NA-13 Swabi-II, NA-24 Dera Ismail Khan, NA-5 Nowshera-I, NA-6 Nowshera-II, and NA-7 Charsadda-I.

In Sindh, the constituencies included NA-198 Sukkur-cum-Shikarpur-I (Old Sukkur-I), NA-200 Ghotki-I, NA-211 Naushero Feroze-I, NA-217 Khairpur-III, NA-218 Matiari-cum-Hyderabad (Old Hyderabad-I), NA-226 Mirpurkhas-cum-Umerkot-I (Old Mirpurkhas-I), NA-229 Tharparkar-I, NA-242 Karachi-IV, NA-256 Karachi-XVIII, and NA-257 Karachi-XIX. The Free and Fair Election Network (FAFEN) had over 41,000 trained election observers monitoring polling at a sample of 8,119 polling stations across the country.

The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) has already taken notice of several complaints of rigging and irregularities.

“We will conduct re-polling where we receive substantial evidence of rigging or irregularities,” Secretary ECP Ishtiaq Ahmed told reporters in Islamabad.

The ECP has asked the civil society members to submit evidence of rigging or malpractice to the ECP.

Interim Prime Minister Mir Hazar Khoso has also called for all complaints and evidence of irregularities in the general elections to be forwarded to the ECP so appropriate action may be taken by the commission.

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.Sigh...

the short answer was... overall 55% ... Sindh 54% .... though higher in Punjab 60% , KPK 45% , FATA 36% , Balochistan 43% ...and Federal areas 62% ... simple and to the point wasn't it..

but i was also interested in the turn out in Karachi ...because of claims and counter claims...yet ...i could get the list of winners ...along with their number of votes ..etc..etc..etc....but not statistical analysis anywhere.... i do not have the patience to add them all up and then calculate the % ages myself...

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...as far as that Long ..... copy paste is concerned ....well there are some others who claimed over 100% polling in certain polling areas.....and many of them were in Karachi too... so forget about it..

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^^^ Three polling stations in Karachi on constituencies:
NA-242
NA-256
and
NA-257