Re: MQM backs ANP proposal to change Pakistan's name
From what I understand, it used to just Republic of Pakistan & Ayub Khan changed it to Islamic Republic to please right wing parties. I think it sad that Islam is used by politicians and mullahs for political purpose & in fact is being misused. Taliban is good example of that. When you mix politics and religion nothing good happens...
P.S I'm taking the same topic and starting poll on it. Feel free to vote.
Jinnah never wanted to create an Islamic state. It was suppose to be a secular state. His inspiration for Pakistan came from Turkey and Ataturk.
Its only when he died did our dum ass politicians infused their non-sensical intrepretations of Islam into the constitution such as the barbaric Hudood Laws by Zia-ul-Haq.
Here you go , This might help.
we did not demanded Pakistan just for the sake of a piece of land. Instead, we wanted to obtain such a laboratory, where we can adopt the Principles of Islam.
(MA Jinnah,13th of January 1948,Islamia College Peshawar)
republic of pakistan is fine by me and by the it was the name before zia, so anyone who thinks islamic republic of pakistan was original name is wrong.
Pakistan had three constitutions, please let me know the names Pakistan had in all of these constitution, it would be highly appreciated if you can quote the name with the references and i will appreciate the fact if you can provide me with the reference of the amendment in Zia's era which added word Islamic to the name of Pakistan.
Have i asked for too much?
From what I understand, it used to just Republic of Pakistan & Ayub Khan changed it to Islamic Republic to please right wing parties. I think it sad that Islam is used by politicians and mullahs for political purpose & in fact is being misused. Taliban is good example of that. When you mix politics and religion nothing good happens...
P.S I'm taking the same topic and starting poll on it. Feel free to vote.
Please provide me with the reference, Ayoub brought his own constitution in 1962, earlier Pakistan was named in the constitution of 1956, was it Republic of Pakistan or Islamic Republic of Pakistan...
Re: MQM backs ANP proposal to change Pakistan's name
whats in the name? do some constructive work.
before changing the name, first tell me whats wrong with current name??
what bites in the name?
though we dont have very much islam left in Pakistan or its policies, just like muslim by name, whats wrong keeping Islamic Republic of Pakistan?
bunch of morons who has nothing to do but create "Fasad" let me know what MQM and ANP will gain from this? they will only loose more people voting from them, even moderates dont like this idea.
I hope so you know about google... or any of your beloved search engine..
just check this keyword "why pakistan was created" I hope so you will get your answer in first 3 search results..
still curious.. ask your parents if they have suffered the creation of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
My question is very simple how many times Islam is mentioned in Pakistan Resolution. Question has nothing to do with search Engine.
Ohh You are Welcome anytime kid , Jinnah was never Accepted by mullah does that mean Pakistan was never Created on teh ame of Islam , Let me Refreash your memory. This was the motto that was on every street in the Strugle for Pakistan.
Pakistan ka matlab kia , La Ilaha Illallah
Iqbal said teh same thing that Muslims & Hindus cannot live together muslims need another country when they can Practice their own culture , Now i suppose you think that the culture was not Islamic , Well Wake up .
Two nation Theory Speaks teh Same that two Force of the opposite Direction cannot live in the same place i.e. Muslims & Hindus So Muslims need a New Home .
I Dont know Where do you get your own idea from but go & Read your history again, I dont have enough time to teach a Kid what is the History of Pakistan.
Two Nation theory: than why their are more muslim in India than Pakistan. Pakistan Ks Batlab Kia was a solgon only in Punjab. Ask any Bengali, Sindhi or Pathan they even do not know what it means. Today Sindhi, Baluchi, or Pathan are first Pathan Sindi or Baluchi and then muslim. Right wing had capurt Pakistan than does not mean that Pakistan was created for Islam. Please let me know on simple thing How many times Islam is mentioned in Pakistan resolution?
Two Nation theory: than why their are more muslim in India than Pakistan. Pakistan Ks Batlab Kia was a solgon only in Punjab. Ask any Bengali, Sindhi or Pathan they even do not know what it means. Today Sindhi, Baluchi, or Pathan are first Pathan Sindi or Baluchi and then muslim. Right wing had capurt Pakistan than does not mean that Pakistan was created for Islam. Please let me know on simple thing How many times Islam is mentioned in Pakistan resolution?
Kid didn't i tell you to read your history again , Let me post it again may b this will get through your mind.
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we did not demanded Pakistan just for the sake of a piece of land. Instead, we wanted to obtain such a laboratory, where we can adopt the Principles of Islam.
(MA Jinnah,13th of January 1948,Islamia College Peshawar)**
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Now get it straight , i dont have time to teach history to kids
it was because you were grown up like me in dark zias era.
yes it was not quaid e azam or allamas who got us independence but my dear without them we wouldnt have got one.
lol seems like zia took your chaddi away that you are stating him in you r every post :D
dont worry you will get it back now just file you complain at bilawal houe
on serious note... no I have net been raise at zia era and I will say again one person cant make the country!
and non terrorists 
"…Part 1. The Republic and its Territories
Article 1
(1) Pakistan shall be a Federal Republic to be known as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and is hereinafter referred to as Pakistan…"
1956 Constitution.
The roti, kapra and makan party may propose the following:
Re: MQM backs ANP proposal to change Pakistan's name
well, both parties, have denied the reports,,,, first ANP said that they discussed this during some meeting, but PPP and PML.N mentioned that as per the constitution, the name is Islamic Republic of Pakistan, so ANP dropped the idea immediately. As per ANP this discussion happened like 2 months ago.
But suddenly yesterday MQM brought this into picture that MQM backs the proposal, even though as per ANP it was never a proposal. Today, Farooq Sattar, denied the so called 'backing' completely. As per him, MQM never backuped any such suggestion.
Re: MQM backs ANP proposal to change Pakistan's name
Their are only four country in the world name Islamic Republic which includs the Islamic Republics of Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, and Mauritania.
Here you go , This might help.
we did not demanded Pakistan just for the sake of a piece of land. Instead, we wanted to obtain such a laboratory, where we can adopt the Principles of Islam. (MA Jinnah,13th of January 1948,Islamia College Peshawar)
Then why didn't he base the constitution on Sharia Law?
This does not mean that Quaid wanted Shariah Law to be implemented. Most principles of Islam are generic and practiced by Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikh, Buddhist and so one. The type of government he wanted was mentioned in his speech of August 11, 1947. Read the bold red words for your information and keep in mind Quaid was SECULAR.
Mr. Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation.
****Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. ****
****Well, gentlemen, I do not wish to take up any more of your time and thank you again for the honour you have done to me. I shall always be guided by the principles of justice and fairplay without any, as is put in the political language, prejudice or ill-will, in other words, partiality or favouritism. My guiding principle will be justice and complete impartiality, and I am sure that with your support and co-operation, I can look forward to Pakistan becoming one of the greatest nations of the world. ****
****I have received a message from the United States of America addressed to me. It reads: ****
****I have the honour to communicate to you, in Your Excellency’s capacity as President of the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, the following message which I have just received from the Secretary of State of the United States: ****
On the occasion of of the first meeting of the Constituent Assembly for Pakistan, I extend to you and to the members of the Assembly, the best wishes of the Government and the people of the United States for the successful conclusion of the great work you are about to undertake.
Source: Dawn, Independence Day Supplement, August 14, 1999.
Transcribed from printed copy by Shehzaad Nakhoda
Then why didn't he base the constitution on Sharia Law?
Sharia wouldn't correspond to the constitution as it would the laws on the books, and there were aspects of Sharia law on the books.
The consitution, to my knowledge, was not formed by Jinnah or in his time.
Of the consitution, he wrote:
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The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims --Hindus, Christians, and Parsis --but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan
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Islam had a role to play in the state (i.e. not secular); it was not a state run by clerics (which he refered to as a theocracy). But then, I'm hard pressed to find a single empire/state/kingship/etc in the history of Islam that was run by clerics. Such comments were no doubt to appease his british masters (he was a Gov General, and so a subject of the Empire), who probably had no idea what he was talking about.
The latter part of his speech is often taken out of context to imply he advocated a secular pakistan, rather than convey his notion of the universality of islamic principles.
Secular people don’t use this kind of language:
This speech was after the one you mentioned, and had no allusions to the kind of secular outlook you proclaim.
As gov. general, he had to convince the crown that pakistan was to care for minorities; this in no way negates the fact that a) aspects of Sharia law were already woven into the state apparatus and b) he advocated some form of Islamic statehood, even if it was ill defined.
Personally, I doubt Jinnah knew what Shariah was, and personally kept away from the subject as it was no doubt a can of worms.
A single phrase from a single speech is simply far outweighed by laws on books, and multiple pronouncements of his notion of “Islamic state”.
Well i dont care what he was in his Personal life that is not the issue here , issue is was Pakistan achieved on the Name of Islam or not , The Answer is yes it was, You keep that in Mind.
Islam gives Equal Rights to every one , i dont want to start a debate on this right now bcoz that is not the issue here.
Whether Jinnah wanted Sharia bill or not is not the question here, please Give me 1 i say only 1 quote of Jinnah where he said we did not obtained this country for Muslims , the Red Area you are talking about is the area where he was talking about human Rights , And i dont think any where in Islam there is stated taht Kill the opposite Religion without any reason ,
i will say again Learn you own history, Just copy pasting will not be enough to make me change my mind
Well i dont care what he was in his Personal life that is not the issue here , issue is was Pakistan achieved on the Name of Islam or not , The Answer is yes it was, You keep that in Mind. Islam gives Equal Rights to every one , i dont want to start a debate on this right now bcoz that is not the issue here.
Whether Jinnah wanted Sharia bill or not is not the question here, please Give me 1 i say only 1 quote of Jinnah where he said we did not obtained this country for Muslims , the Red Area you are talking about is the area where he was talking about human Rights , And i dont think any where in Islam there is stated taht Kill the opposite Religion without any reason ,
i will say again Learn you own history, Just copy pasting will not be enough to make me change my mind
You keep on saying that Pakistan was achieved in the name of Islam but where is your proof. Just because you say it does not make it so. Please provide prove and please do not only say from punjab prespective. please include Bengali, Sindhi, Baluchi, Pathan and Aga Khanis in the creation of Pakistan.