Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
I agree, it'll be replcing one monster with another.
Thanks for understanding!
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
But its wrong to counter MQM's terrorism with state terrrorism (by imposing and sponsoring haqiqi).
Law & order is the primary job of any govt, but hey....if you guys in Karachi enjoy paying extortion to mafia who am I to question that?
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
Law & order is the primary job of any govt, but hey....if you guys in Karachi enjoy paying extortion to mafia who am I to question that?
How did you conclude that Mostar95 is okay with paying extortion? All he is saying that govt should enforce "law & order" and not suppress one monster while feed and nurture the other monster.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
Come on Malik Saheb, do not be racist and ethnic bias, and keep to the fact without your ethnic hate and b*llsh*ts. You should know that only party that has convicted terrorist as their leaders is PML(N) as Nawaz and Shahbaz are both convicted terrorist apart of they being thieves, corrupt, thug and liars. I do not think that any educated, civilised and respectable person would vote for PML(N) and for these two crook brothers unless they are crook themselves.
As for being violent, fascist, ethnocentric party, fact is that it is not MQM but ANP. Try to find any ANP candidate who represented them in National or provincial assembly and you will find most of one ethnic background (Pakhtuns), and that shows their ethnocentric character. As for MQM, this party could not be ethnocentric as Muhajirs are not one ethnic community (they are from various ethnic background), plus many MQM winning Assembly candidates are also not just Muhajirs but from all Pakistan ethnic background. This is clear evidence that you lied when you called MQM ethnocentric party, showing your own bias and ethnocentric mentality full of ethnocentric hate.
I request all to be human and start judging others as human should do without bias and without ethnic hatred and not as human animals would do, full of bias and ethnic hatred.
Saleem bhai. I dont mean to convey even an ounce of ethnic hatred. That is not my interest or intention. IMO on a per person basis the urdu speaking have contributed more to Pakistan than any other ethnic group. This includes fields from banking to arts, culture, food the economy and every other area. Even principled great men like Wajih Ahmed, S Siddiqui and Hakim Saeed show that this community is not limited to MQM.
All that said as for MQM I have no tolerance for that party. It is founded on, exists on, operates on terror. Bhatta, intimidation, murder of opposition groups, the ethnic clensing it was involved in during the 1990's in parts of Karachi - none of it is forgivable. It cannot be tolerated. The MQM should be banned for politics, its leaders should be arrested and tried for there involvement in this organized crime.
BTW you mention the Sharif brotheres like I should be offended.
1. I am not a PML-N supporter, but have doubltless been impressed with their principled stand against Musharraf and the establishment.
2. Show me any single instance when the PML-N or Sharif brothers have openly supported 1 ethinic group or when the PML-N has taken violent action against a rival ethnic group.
It has never happened so you will not find such an instance.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
KARACHI: Wajih criticises posting of Suddle as IG
Everyone who while disagreeing with MQM policies but not being against mohajirs in general, will condemn the appointment of the killer of innocent people in Karachi as IG Sindh.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
You have encapsulated the very nature of this ethno-fascist outfit very beautifully in just two sentences.
It's amusing to see a racist criticizing others for being ethnocentric.
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Everyone who while disagreeing with MQM policies but not being against mohajirs in general, will condemn the appointment of the killer of innocent people in Karachi as IG Sindh.
While I hope the police never kills innocent people, a certain price will hve to be paid to break the MQM ethnofacist hold over the city of Karachi. When ethnic minorities can be targetted at will by this group - things have gone too far.
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malik:
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a certain price will hve to be paid
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You can't feel the pain of a mother and a father who was murdered by Suddle's people for no crime of his?! I will ask you if your family pays that price itself.
Everything that goes around comes around. You support murderers of innocent people of Karachi today, tomorrow the same could happen to you.
Qayamat ke din khuda ko kya munh dikhao ge? You support killings of innocent people? Is this what Islam teaches?
Have you forgotten Quran which says murder of one innocent person is the murder of the whole humanity?
Shame on supporters of murderers like Shoaib Suddle. Remember what Malcolm said, injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere.
Your logic is similar to Zionists when they inflict collective punishment on innocent Palestinian people. You probably support them too.
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When ethnic minorities can be targetted at will by this group - things have gone too far.
Do you know that most people killed by Altaf's MQM were muhajirs themselves?
Altaf's problem is that he can not listen to any criticism, irrespective of person's ethnicity.
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malik:
You can't feel the pain of a mother and a father who was murdered by Suddle's people for no crime of his?! I will ask you if your family pays that price itself. Everything that goes around comes around. You support murderers of innocent people of Karachi today, tomorrow the same could happen to you.
Qayamat ke din khuda ko kya munh dikhao ge? You support killings of innocent people? Is this what Islam teaches? Have you forgotten Quran which says murder of one innocent person is the murder of the whole humanity?
Shame on supporters of murderers like Shoaib Suddle. Remember what Malcolm said, injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere.
Your logic is similar to Zionists when they inflict collective punishment on innocent Palestinian people. You probably support them too.
Abbas. I absolutely do not support the killing of innocents. What I mean to say by "a price will have to be paid" is that difficult times are ahead. A entrenched mafia like MQM will not be disbanded or defanged easily. It will require full scale and comprehensive operations at every level to break down there influence. That does not mean that innocent people should or can be harmed. With proper use of intelligence and stringent punishment of those currently involved in the mafia results are possible.
Secondly let me add that the idea of concept behind MQM is not a bad thing. The concept of a middle class party that provides a voice to ordinary people (including those urdu speaking who have faced discrimination) is a good thing. The reality of a ethnofacist mafia that terrorizes both urdu speaking and has been involved in targetted killing of ethnic rivals is unforgivable.
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Do you know that most people killed by Altaf's MQM were muhajirs themselves? Altaf's problem is that he can not listen to any criticism, irrespective of person's ethnicity.
And so should Altaf and his people be made to suffer.
And yes I realize that the MQM has created as much death for the urdu speaking as for all other ethnicities. But that does not make there crime any less forgivable.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
It's amusing to see a racist criticizing others for being ethnocentric.
Princess, I just gave some people a taste of their own medicine.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
Every political party has the right to exist including MQM. It has support of a lot of people and we all should respect that. However, unlike other parties at the moment MQM has a military/Terrorist wing which needs to be dismantled. Now the choice was given to Altaf Hussain and others by Zardari and Nawaz Sharif to do it themselves and join the mainstream political parties and Sindh government. I guess they refused that option by doing what they did couple of weeeks ago in Tahir Center again. They didn't learn a thing from May 12. So, the very next day Suddle was brought in.
You can't blaime PPP for doing what is neccessary to bring some order to Karachi. there is too much street crime and bhutta Khori mostly by this group. I hope and pray that MQM leadership wakes up and realizes that Mushy is no longer there to protect them and they are totally isolated. They need to stop their thugs (I am not sure if MQM leadership has any control over them any longer? Sometimes I think they don't) from burning and killing people and they will be welcome to join the government and be productive for the people of Karachi and Pakistan. It is that simple.
My two cents..
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
That is true. But by the time he was done Karachi was a better place. Those innocents who died were a necessary tragedy.
Necessary Tragedy ? .... Such as Benazir 's killing for the cause of democracy in yr Pakistan .. is it ?
what an interesting country Pakistan is ….
On that tristful day .. 12th May 2007 … 52 people were died in Karachi … 22 among them were associated to PPP… On 18th October death toll for PPP workers reached to 150 .. some 400 were injured …
Around 15 people died on 9th April 2008 in Karachi … six of them were burnt alive ….
But as they were all hoi polloi … common people … You don’t see any one yelping about them or their innocent deaths ….
But for Benazir …. Investigating Teams from UN are coming for analysis ….
Do you have to be as powerful and might as these crooks to get ur death investigated in Pakistan ?
Our legal system just support these hooligans .. No matter which party or race they belong..
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
You can't feel the pain of a mother and a father who was murdered by Suddle's people for no crime of his?! I will ask you if your family pays that price itself. Everything that goes around comes around. You support murderers of innocent people of Karachi today, tomorrow the same could happen to you.
Do you have stats on how many innocents got killed and how many were criminal? From the guppies' who condemn Suddle/Naseerullah it seems like that most of people who got killed were innocent while some criminals may have been killed as well.
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Qayamat ke din khuda ko kya munh dikhao ge? You support killings of innocent people? Is this what Islam teaches?
Have you forgotten Quran which says murder of one innocent person is the murder of the whole humanity?
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Ah the Quran, the tool all Mullahs use to justify their acts and what not. Do we just selectively follow Quran?
Do you know that most people killed by Altaf's MQM were muhajirs themselves? Altaf's problem is that he can not listen to any criticism, irrespective of person's ethnicity.
And you still support MQM, hah.
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Stats? It's shameful to ask for stats of innocents when killings were extra-judicial. In extra-judicial killings there is no stat even of how many of them were criminals.
One example of Suddle crimes is extra-judicial killing of Murtaza Bhutto. But there were many victims of Suddle's crimes who are too much of "common people" to be known and remembered.
No we don't selectively follow Quran. Same principles should be applicable for everyone.
And what gave you impression that I support MQM? I don't support Altaf's propensity to violence. And similarly, I want everyone to condemn Haqiqi's killings, instead of releasing Afaq.
That's where double-standards come.
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^ Do you think it was okay to let MQM-A and MQM-H fight it out in streets and let innocents get killed? Let MQM kill innocents? Your support for MQM may not be full but you look more than a sympathiser.
Its MQM's handing out weapons to teenagers which has turned Karachi into as lawless city as we see it today.
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No. It was not ok.
But it was also not ok for Suddle and Co. to consider common supporters of MQM as mere fodder, and inflict collective punishment to the whole city.
If we want to become civilized, if we want to condemn Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, then we must be AT LEAST br supportive of justice even to criminals.
This is why Justice Wajih has reservations against Suddle.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
How do you think they should've done? Do you really think all those murderers, torturers etc could've been punished by a court of law?
I agree in principle about the whole operation that justice should be served and it should be carried out against other parties' terrorists as well.
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Bring in rudy juliani if you really want cleaned up.
Theresnt a single officer in the loCal cadre that can be trusted against political and religious criminals, let alone the military goons and crooks