Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
MALIK
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ethnocentric party
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Please don't use it as criticism.
If MQM is ethnocentric then what is ANP?
MQM has problems, but being ethnic has nothing to do with it.
Last time I checked, PPP is allowing Haqiqi to run havoc in Karachi again. What is "Muhajir" Qaumi Movement Haqiqi, if not ethnocentric?
I don't see anything wrong with being ethnocentric, unless one does not become anti-someone else.
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that would create an ethnic based genocide in Karachi given the chance.
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Only in your wet dreams. Actually, this is what all muhajir-hating people want to do with muhajirs.
Besides, MQM people have killed more muhajirs (Haqiqi) than any other ethnicity.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
these petty criminals also draw their strength from the political criminals. There is a need to flush out not just the criminals but also the "aslaha/ small arms" that has been dumped in Karachi in the past few years. One also needs to find out whether our mosques are merely used for worship and socialization or are they being used as criminal hideouts and godowns for the arms.
Well there are several kinds of people involved in such petty crimes 1) those who have higher connections 2) those who are addicted criminals 3)political party kiddo members who need money and have guns at their disposal and probably many more kinds.
There is so much weapon in the city that it is not possible to control it now unless whole city is combed thru with curfews for many days with controlled mass movement. There has to be secret operations against "petty" criminals while open operation against political criminals (but then it should be against all parties, may be one at a time), it will be a bitter pill but worth swallowing, the doctor being Zardari kinda makes me laugh.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
A party like MQM cannot be tolerated in any civil and just society. It is a violent, facist, ethnocentric party that would create an ethnic based genocide in Karachi given the chance.
Come on Malik Saheb, do not be racist and ethnic bias, and keep to the fact without your ethnic hate and b*llsh*ts. You should know that only party that has convicted terrorist as their leaders is PML(N) as Nawaz and Shahbaz are both convicted terrorist apart of they being thieves, corrupt, thug and liars. I do not think that any educated, civilised and respectable person would vote for PML(N) and for these two crook brothers unless they are crook themselves.
As for being violent, fascist, ethnocentric party, fact is that it is not MQM but ANP. Try to find any ANP candidate who represented them in National or provincial assembly and you will find most of one ethnic background (Pakhtuns), and that shows their ethnocentric character. As for MQM, this party could not be ethnocentric as Muhajirs are not one ethnic community (they are from various ethnic background), plus many MQM winning Assembly candidates are also not just Muhajirs but from all Pakistan ethnic background. This is clear evidence that you lied when you called MQM ethnocentric party, showing your own bias and ethnocentric mentality full of ethnocentric hate.
I request all to be human and start judging others as human should do without bias and without ethnic hatred and not as human animals would do, full of bias and ethnic hatred.
The head of the Quebec branch of a Pakistani political party is facing deportation after the Federal Court of Canada ruled he belonged to an organization that committed terrorism.
The judge upheld the deportation of Mohammed Kashif Omer, a resident of Montreal, on the grounds he is a member of the Mothaidda Quami Movement, or MQM.
It is the second time this year Canadian courts have ruled the MQM party meets the legal definition of a terrorist organization.
Mr. Omer is one of dozens of Pakistanis whom Canadian immigration authorities are trying to deport because of their involvement in the MQM.
Despite being blamed for the kidnapping, torture and murder of its political rivals in Pakistan, the MQM has opened a Canadian branch called MQM-Canada.
Members of the group have worked on Conservative election campaigns, met Prime Minister Stephen Harper and recently hosted a conference in Calgary.
Conservative MP Art Hanger spoke at the June 8-10 MQM Canada convention, which was attended by several Pakistanis who are being deported for their alleged involvement in terrorism. Mr. Hanger said he did not support the group. Conservative MLA Shiraz Shariff also attended. He said yesterday he was unaware Canadian courts had deemed the MQM a terrorist organization. “Why are we as a nation then allowing them to have a congregation here?” he said.
Among the speakers at the convention was Mr. Omer, who presented a report on the “achievements and future strategy” of the Montreal office of MQM, according to the group’s Web Site.
Mr. Omer has no immigration status in Canada. A Canada Border Services Agency spokesman, Erik Paradis, said the court ruling means that the deportation order against Mr. Omer is now in effect.
The MQM is a Pakistani political party that is part of President Pervez Musharraf’s ruling coalition. The Canadian MQM branch has never been accused of illegal activities but in Pakistan the party has been blamed for widespread violence, most recently in May when gunfights between the MQM and anti-government demonstrators left more than 40 dead.
MQM officials deny any role in attacks and say they are victims of misinformation spread by Pakistani authorities. Canada’s Security Intelligence Review Committee has been looking into complaints from MQM members that immigration authorities have unfairly branded them as terrorists.
Mr. Omer came to Canada in 1998 and was granted refugee status but in 2005 immigration officials said he could not remain in Canada “because he knowingly and for a long period of time belonged to an organization that has engaged in terrorism.”
In Pakistan, Mr. Omer had been a member of the MQM and its student wing from 1987 to 1998. He denied any involvement with the MQM in Canada but eventually acknowledged he was in charge of the MQM’s Quebec office.
The Immigration and Refugee Board said “Mr. Omer’s reasons for trying to hide that, in Canada, he is responsible for the Montreal section of the MQM-Canada lead me to believe that he knew that his party was committing many violent acts.”
He appealed the decision to the Federal Court, arguing that the MQM is not a terrorist organization and that the violence was committed by rogue elements in the party, but the court was not convinced.
Afzal Khan
ISLAMABAD - MQM’s latest threat to sit in the opposition has a familiar ring designed to convey a message to the PPP. Its timing is intriguing. As has been the pattern of its moves in the past, the present action has some multi-dimensional motives and objectives vastly distinct from what the party has publicly stated.
The MQM move came only two days before the crucial summit meeting of the 4-party coalition that is likely to clinch the issue of deposed judges. President Musharraf has been building enormous pressure on Asif Zardari through Americans and other quarters to pre-empt this decision or at least stall the reinstatement of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry at any cost. The MQM’s sudden move is timed to enhance this pressure.
The PPP is also finding it difficult to accept the terms of endearment as price for MQM’s cooperation. Media reports say the MQM wants 35 per cent share in Sindh government in addition to its choice of governor. At the centre it has been seeking four plum ministries including communications and, above all, port and shipping. To neutralize Nawaz Sharif’s opposition, Altaf offered him hand of friendship after several weeks of venomous attacks. .
Ostensibly, the appointment of Shoaib Suddle as IG Police Karachi preceded earlier by a major reshuffle of police structure in Karachi appears to be the immediate trigger. The new security set-up represents a bold and serious attempt by the PPP to hold a genuine inquiry into the bloodbath of October 18 and April 9 (if possible May 12 as well). The MQM faces the threat of being exposed as a result of these investigations. **
Such is the tenuous nature of the budding PPP-MQM affair that it began showing cracks within couple of days after the fantastic spectacle of bonhomie during Asif Zardari’s April 3 Nine-Zero yatra. The stirring speeches by Zardari and his new-found love Altaf Hussain had a surreal touch. Ironically, while the series of events following that visit have a sequential nexus, hardly anything has been unpredictable.
First the MQM decided to indefinitely boycott the assembly session on the flimsiest possible excuse -episode involving Arbab Rahim. Arbab must have been amused by the display of “solidarity” by his tormentors who made his life miserable as chief minister for three years. Then on an equally insignificant (howsoever deplorable) incident of maltreatment of Dr. Sher Afgan, the MQM lawyers staged a protest rally the very next day. Karachi was assigned to another day of infamy marked by charred bodies, arson, loot and anarchy. The theatrics two days later was the fourth of its kind in one year and deceived none. Altaf Bhai excused himself from leading the MQM ( a la Aitzaz Ahsan style whom he paid tribute for risking his life to rescue Afgan). As expected the “resignation” was withdrawn in no time amid melodramatic scenes and a charged speech that implicitly acknowledged responsibility for the April 9 carnage**. Zaradri again contacted Altaf and resumed negotiations for power-sharing in Sindh.
Everything has been scripted and choreographed with single-minded intent to thwart the people’s verdict of February 18 and avert the inevitable “minus one” denouement predicted by Aitzaz Ahsan. For this purpose the choreographer, who justified the heinous crimes in Karachi as a reaction to Sher Afgan episode, considers it imperative to drive a wedge between Zardari and Nawaz Sharif for which the former is being offered tantalizing options and power permutations.
In a command performance, the MQM responded generously to Asif Zardari’s request to withdraw Dr. Farooq Sattar as opposition’s candidate to contest prime minister’s election. Next day the PMl-Q joined to give a “unanimous” vote of confidence to Yousaf Raza Gilani. There were pious expression of extending “unconditional” support to the PPP in the larger national interests and reconciliation.
But MQM’s prominent leader Babar Ghori spilled the beans within hours of the vote. During discussion on a TV channel, Ghori noted that the 249 votes polled by speaker Dr. Fahmida Riaz included 91 from the PML-N leaving 158 votes which are not enough to elect the prime minister. “To free the PPP of dependence on Nawaz Sharif’s vote, we decided to support its candidate.” This was the strategy Musharraf had pursued immediately after the elections but failed because Zardari was shrewd enough to sense the outrage he would have caused in the entire country by aligning with pro-Musharraf parties.
He was then blackmailed by the threat of Amin Fahim group chipping away a dozen or so PPP members to form a government in collaboration with the MQM, the PML-Q, PML-F etc. But this was not 2002 and any such move would have had terrible backlash in rural Sindh where people had avenged Ms. Bhutto’s murder by voting her party to power despite selected rigging. The strategy was changed accordinly.
** I asked a veteran anti-PPP Sindhi leader as to who delivered MQM to Zardari, his spontaneous response was:”General Musharraf’**. Zardari’s motives to woo the MQM were obvious: first, to prevent a nexus with Fahim and secondly to buy peace in Karachi and other cities. It makes an eminent sense that political forces representing rural and urban Sindh must coalesce to end years of hatred and ethnic prejudices. This policy was adopted by Benazir in 1988 when she co-opted MQM in the coalition at the centre and in Sindh. But the MQM proved a Trojan Horse and stabbed her within 9 months by supporting the no-confidence motion at the behest of Ishaq and army chief.
** The much-trumpeted MQM “mandate” has some disturbing features. Before it suffered a serious set back last May by blatantly supporting Musharraf siding with Musharraf against lawyers, the MQM was ambitiously projecting itself as a national party. But May 12 outrage pushed the MQM back to its original narrow-based ethnic and linguistic appeal based on hatred and tainted by violence and coercive tactics. The boycott by Jamaat Islami and Sunni Tehrik left the field wide open for the MQM landslide victory buffeted by state patronage and enormous financial and administrative resources. **
There is strong possibility that the MQM will soon resume its contacts with the PPP and sort out differences. This will, however, be part of the larger strategy of its mentor Musharraf to oust Nawaz Sharif from the coalition.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
A party like MQM cannot be tolerated in any civil and just society. It is a violent, facist, ethnocentric party that would create an ethnic based genocide in Karachi given the chance.
You have encapsulated the very nature of this ethno-fascist outfit very beautifully in just two sentences.
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
But its wrong to counter MQM's terrorism with state terrrorism (by imposing and sponsoring haqiqi).
State terrorism? You are blaming Pak Government for terrorist activities just to defend MQM?
On the other hand Its fine for you to carpet bomb the northern areas of Pakistan, with or without casualities and collateral damage?
And then there was 12th May and some other KHI incidents involving the same terrorists and you kept quite. Didnt you?
Equilibrium, Mr!
Re: MQM and Karachi - Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi
Supporting haqiqi will mean the goverment is not interested in peace in Karachi. It should not indulge them in between; instead deal fully and directly with the MQM.
