Moving the finger during Tashahhud

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Any authentic source of this? Help plz. :jazak:

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even i am confused abt this.

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Peace rosedreams,

Why u r confused:

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It is not necessary to raise finger during Tashhud… :hmmm:

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I once read that a piece of clothing had fallen on the fingers of Muhammed (saww) or a Sahabi (ra), can't remember exactly now, anyway, he was moving the finger to remove that piece of clothing and nothing more. I have no idea if that is true. We used to go to a Moroccan masjid and they all moved their finger. I don't, because I'm not sure what the purpose is.

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Peace Shahida77,

I never read before :hmmm:

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I tried and find this , details are different .
(( إِذَا جَلَسَ لِلتَّشْھُّدِ رَفَعَ اِصْبَعَہُ السبابة)) (صحيح مسلم)’’ جب آپ تشھد کے لیے بیٹھتے تو شہادت کی اُنگلی اُٹھاتے۔‘‘

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:lkk: Anwer Pasha :k:

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Moving the Finger in Tashahhud. |

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Thank you for this thread and all info. I learnt something new.

Seconds later: I was googling this topic again, haven’t done so in years and now I’m confused again (not surprising when you Google perhaps), this webpage says you don’t have to move your finger, just raise it:

http://iskandrani.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/moving-the-index-finger-during-tashahhud/

Perhaps I should move mine just in case. I don’t know. I can’t find that part about moving the finger only to remove a piece of clothing. I do remember reading it online somewhere though. Anyway, here is another webpage which says (scroll down) that according to certain hadith it’s not proven that one has to keep moving the finger during tashahhud:

http://www.authentictauheed.com/2013/05/prophetic-guidance-complete-notes.html Quote of the part about this topic:

They use the obsolete Tashahhud as Hujjah to worship Muhammad (saws)- Do not wag your finger while reciting Tashahhud. That is the hallmark of a Madkhali.
- Wagging the finger is a weak Hadith (but this is what Albaani said(
- Do not follow Albanis recommendation on waggin the finger, thinking you are beating the Shaitan
- The correct opinion is of Imam Shafii, you do not wag your finger

Instead, you hold your finger straight out during the Tashahhud

***Imam Nawawi mentions in the Majmu‘ (3.454) from Abu Dawud and others with a sound chain of narrators on the authority Abdullah Ibn Az-Zubayr, that he described the prayer of the Prophet (SAW) by saying, “He would point with his finger while supplicating without moving it.” As for what is present in the narration that mentions, that he (SAW) “used to move it”, the expression, “move it is an unreliable anomalous (Ar. shadhdh) narration because the narrator who relates [this Hadith] on the authority of the Companion Wael Ibn Hujr (RA) contradicts everyone else who narrated from him

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Peace Sahdia77

Advice is that you just follow the ruling of the madhab you follow ...

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psyah, raising finger during tashahd is not mandatory...

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I don't follow one. In the time of Muhammad (saww) everybody was just Muslim and nothing more. I don't see why I should today be part of Hanafi of Shafií or whatever madhab, neither am I Sunni or Shia or whatever, I just see myself as Muslima and nothing more.

But then it does get difficult in issues like these, that's true.

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Yes you answered you own question ... now you need to find out what way you want to go ... and have a good reason for it - you need to become a scholar or at least half a scholar if you don't have a madhab.

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In which case you choose to do it or not - it doesn't solve the issue however, that if you do choose to do it which way it is supposed to be done ... and that is what I was talking about when I said follow the ruling of the madhab ... I didn't imply that it is mandatory.

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I think even when you follow a madhab, you still have to use your head and think. Islam encourages to think for ourselves. (one of the important lessons we learn from the story of Ibrahim (as) is that questioning and thinking about matters is better than blindly following other people - not counting prophet Mohammed (saww) of course - who could be wrong too)

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Peace All,

Brother Psyah,

I gone through various hadith/Fiqa books and unable to find that if it is narrated by ibn Umar particularly about’… and this is the shooting of the devil; no-one will forget when he does this". I believe may be Ibn Umar said as a reminder so that a person may not forget. :hmmm: It is not a part of hadith mentioned in Sahih Muslim (his saying).

Brother, raising finger during tashhahud is better than not raising at all. It is also considered essential element in any Salaat.

Sahdia77,

Any Fiqa either Hanafi, Shafii, Hanbali and Maliki is not some kind of new madhab but it is the extract of Sunnah which in fact, make us understand our religion and religious practices in better way. If you start reading any Fiqa book and then compare it with another Fiqa book, you’ll find there is no difference between them neither any Fiqa nullify another Fiqa i.e, teachings of Prophet Muhammad :saw2: passed through “those everybody Muslims”, who were well known as "Companions r.a., of Prophet Muhammad :saw2: ".

Before my thinking was exactly same as you wrote above, and I agree with that we should use our head and think. But this kind of knowledge is black & white knowledge which is not even dangerous for us, but also for others in case if we pass such knowledge to them, which is in more cases “wrong”, and there will be great chances of getting astray from right path as well as misguidance to others.

For example: few years ago I passed interpretation of a hadith based on my own head and thinking. Brother Psyah realized me in very polite manner that my interpretation is wrong. When I studied again and done research on it, it was clear to me that I was wrong 101%. But the damage was already done. I passed that information to 1 person who might be passed to 10 persons and those 10 persons might be passed to 20 persons and so on. So basically, it all started by me and on the day of Judgement, I will be held responsible for misguiding of all those 20+ individuals.

Therefore, to understand our religion Islam in better way, we should read any Fiqa book. I recommend you to pick any Fiqa book and read it, then compare it with another Fiqa book. In case if a person don’t wish to read any Fiqa book then he/she may not pass his/her knowledge because it will be based on his/her own understanding and thinking which might be, precisely speaking certainly will be wrong.

Either a person speak good or keep silent at all.

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That's true. Whenever I read Quran, it's not only translation, but several sources of the further meaning behind those words. Same goes for ahadith. When I tell others something that isn't completely clear and could have various interpretations, I always say I could be wrong. That's what I teach my children too; to not take every word I say as a fact, I could be wrong about many issues and I encourage them to do research on that topic to be sure.

I think you're absolutely right, we should read Fiq books and nowadays with internet, there is more information than ever available. When I was growing up, our family had only a few Urdu books and there was nothing else. Sometimes we'd get English language books on a few topics. It's amazing how times have changed with internet and in this case for the better.

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:lkk:

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@ brother LKK

Here is another good link.

al-Albani Unveiled: Important Issues of Fiqh

By the way Ibn Umar (RA) is an authority … And the repeated moving of the finger is done by the Malikis only … Hanbalis take the finger up each time Name of Allah is mentioned … Hanafis take it up on La ilaha and put it down on ilAllahu … Sha’fi’s have a prolonged single raising of the finger from ilAllahu …

On the finger matter each madhab does something different.