Shaz, I love Pakistan but living there is a completely different thing. My Nana Aba (may he go to Jannat), a 74 old man, was murdered very violently in an attempted kidnap just a couple of months ago by some scum. So many of our family friends have stories of their loved ones either being killed or their lives made hell by crime in Pakistan.
I don't want to live in Pakistan, not because I don't love it, but because I don't want myself or my future familys' lives put at unneccasry risk.
i m a born pakistani...but moved to USA when i was 13.
My father worked for the pakistani gov't as an engineer (for the electricity company)...had an accident AT work, passed away within a week frm that. n do u knw who the pakistani gov't offered us (family of four young kids n a widow) 1200 rps per month...yes thats it. When my mother ask for a job in the same department the gov't said she was too old to start, n said my eldest brother was too young to work (he was 17 at the time). Thank god for my nani n mamu who were here is the US, and who supported us for the two years it took us to move to US (in these two years, the paper work of my Dads pension and other stuff wasn't done--so we weren't even getting the 1200rps).
now if some one asked me if i m a proud pakistani...well i say NO...pakistan has given my family nothing. I cannt even image how my mother would have supported our education with those 1200.
I work hard here in the US...but i knw if one day i die...my family wont be without money.
Yes my family moved here for money becuase the pakistani gov't offered us none.
I am shocked to read how many people have lost loved ones to crime in pakistan,
But am not really suprised at the little help the pakistani goverment gives to the families tht have lost loved ones, Rabia I am very sorry to hear about ur Father (May Allah grant him jannat.... Ameen) im sure it must of been very hard for u an ur family. you mentioned u had ur Nani and mamu's help, so I guess u was lucky then some...:)
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sigh ..same discussion again and again ...
Look people my personal experience: I born in NY raised in Pakistan. Even though i came back for further studies, have a good job, education, career .. you can call it American dream. But unfortunately this is not my world. I am happy only IN Pak.. .. in those gali/mohalla's traveling in Rikshaws or on Khota Rehri's or ching chie's.. No matter what accomplishments i can have in west... my heart, my mind .. its not with me. I can't explain it why is that? .. Nope no gf, no alcoholism help.. all the good things in America didn't help..
their should be millions of people who might have same feelings like me... so this is never ending discussion. let live let them live !...
...and on problems in Pakistan ...
"..is duniya mein abhi aesey bohat sey loog majood hain, jin ki ankhein Pakistan ka name sun kar bheeg jatin hain .. jub tuk un mien sey ik bi zinda hai.. Pakistan ko kuch nahi ho sakta.. chahey jesi merzi maseebatein ayein.."..
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^^ **I am too bored of this topic being discussed again and again.
banda poochai in Auntio sai , if you want to live as 3rd class citizens in US/UK then live,why waste our time here.Who even at the least care about security,handi roti ,raising kids ,cleaning houses blah blah.Same rand* rona sun sun kar kaan puk gai hai.They consider themselves princess/queens here but suddenly start doing work abroad.Security crimes flana tamkeena.Crimes not happened in West !.When treated as 3rd class citizens then auqat yaad aa jati hai. Go the hell
^^ **I am too bored of this topic being discussed again and again.
banda poochai in Auntio sai , if you want to live as 3rd class citizens in US/UK then live,why waste our time here.Who even at the least care about security,handi roti ,raising kids ,cleaning houses blah blah.Same rand* rona sun sun kar kaan puk gai hai.They consider themselves princess/queens here but suddenly start doing work abroad.Security crimes flana tamkeena.when treated as 3rd class citizens then auqat yaad aa jati hai. Go the hell
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This is not an issue, this is totally wrong we are living here as 3rd class citizens, most of Pakistan's are living as third class in Pakistan. Broader your horizon's please.
You are right on everyone work here.. Taxi's hotels.. ...etc.. .but in Pak they can't. It can be mentality or what so ever. But this is their !
But i know.. whenever i move to Pak.. money/work will be not an issue for me. I can even start a "biryani rehri" .... i am fine.. .with it.. !
Look people my personal experience: I born in NY raised in Pakistan. Even though i came back for further studies, have a good job, education, career .. you can call it American dream. But unfortunately this is not my world. I am happy only IN Pak.. .. in those gali/mohalla's traveling in Rikshaws or on Khota Rehri's or ching chie's.. No matter what accomplishments i can have in west... my heart, my mind .. its not with me. I can't explain it why is that? .. Nope no gf, no alcoholism help.. all the good things in America didn't help..
their should be millions of people who might have same feelings like me... so this is never ending discussion. let live let them live !...
...and on problems in Pakistan ...
"..is duniya mein abhi aesey bohat sey loog majood hain, jin ki ankhein Pakistan ka name sun kar bheeg jatin hain .. jub tuk un mien sey ik bi zinda hai.. Pakistan ko kuch nahi ho sakta.. chahey jesi merzi maseebatein ayein.."..
I wonder if you held your bleeding child in your hands in gali/mohallas - you would feel differently.
I wonder if you held your bleeding child in your hands in gali/mohallas - you would feel differently.
You are too young to understand.
Yeh way to young... but for your kind information i am all alone here. Rest of the family is in Pak. and they are 10 thousand times better then most of the Americans. So next time don't make assumptions !
12% of american population is under poverty line, now tell me what do you know about USA? I don't wanna start on what's wrong here. For the starting ..in most of the areas in NY people do shyt in their pants when they go after 12am ..
Yeh way to young... but for your kind information i am all alone here. Rest of the family is in Pak. and they are 10 thousand times better then most of the Americans. So next time don't make assumptions !
Is ur heart in pakistan becoz the rest of ur family is in pak?
how about if all ur family was with u in the usa, would u still miss pak?
^^ I am too bored of this topic being discussed again and again.
*banda poochai in Auntio sai , if you want to live as 3rd class citizens in US/UK then live,why waste our time here.Who even at the least care about security,handi roti ,raising kids ,cleaning houses blah blah.Same rand rona sun sun kar kaan puk gai hai.They consider themselves princess/queens here but suddenly start doing work abroad.Security crimes flana tamkeena.Crimes not happened in West !.When treated as 3rd class citizens then auqat yaad aa jati hai. Go the hell **
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^ what are u talking abt...thats the case in pakistan and even in some other muslim countries where pakistani are treated 3rd class...not here in US.
open ur eyes n wake up PLEASE!...maybe ur boredom frm this topic is making u not c things clearly.
Yeh way to young... but for your kind information i am all alone here. Rest of the family is in Pak. and they are 10 thousand times better then most of the Americans. So next time don't make assumptions !
12% of american population is under poverty line, now tell me what do you know about USA? I don't wanna start on what's wrong here. For the starting ..in most of the areas in NY people do shyt in their pants when they go after 12am ..
what percent of pakistani population is uner poverty line???????????
Is ur heart in pakistan becoz the rest of ur family is in pak?
how about if all ur family was with u in the usa, would u still miss pak?
Family members visit America like going to Lahore from Faisalabad. Again... i said in the previous reply stop assuming, i am more American/western then you can even imagine... but still this is not my world. Rather a one more visiting country like Turkey, Italy or Uk..
what percent of pakistani population is uner poverty line???????????
Are we comparing US VS Pakistan or Pakistan VS US?? ..
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You didn't get my point firenze. I was suggesting that when you become a father or mother you may change your mind.
Your parents sacrificed for you didn't they? They send their child into a country all alone. This must be the hardest thing for them.
They did it because they love you more and sometimes with that love comes sacrifice. No love stands up to the love of your child - not even for your country.
Parents do everything in their power to protect their children.
Most families in U.S left their soil they love, their parents, their relatives for their children. It's was really hard for them.
Family members visit America like going to Lahore from Faisalabad. Again... i said in the previous reply stop assuming, i am more American/western then you can even imagine... but still this is not my world. Rather a one more visiting country like Turkey, Italy or Uk..
Visiting and living is two different thing, u didn't answer my question....
kair, Its very good tht u intend to go back to pak, and give back to ur country,
Family members visit America like going to Lahore from Faisalabad. Again... i said in the previous reply stop assuming, i am more American/western then you can even imagine... but still this is not my world. Rather a one more visiting country like Turkey, Italy or Uk..
and if no, that one of the reason u love pakistan so much. start living a poor person life over there and thn talk.
Are we comparing US VS Pakistan or Pakistan VS US?? ..
^^ i m going to assume something abt u n ur family...frm the information u provided above....they travel to America like its nothing---i m assuming frm this that u guys are mA well of.
and if yes thn that one of the reason u love pakistan so much. start living a poor persons life over there and thn talk.
^i didn't start that...u mention the poverty of US so i wanted to knw what the poverty line in Pakistan--just wanted to knw.
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^^ It will stop at Barclay ,CITI,Bank of America,Chrysler,GM,Ford,Starbuck,Circiut city ,Pfizer,Boeing,Nasdaq,Dow,Caterpillar,Macy,Morgan Stanley,Goldman Sachs,Home Depot,AOL, Sprint Nextel etc etc
You didn't get my point firenze. I was suggesting that when you become a father or mother you may change your mind.
Your parents sacrificed for you didn't they? They send their child into a country all alone. This must be the hardest thing for them.
They did it because they love you more and sometimes with that love comes sacrifice. No love stands up to the love of your child - not even for your country.
Parents do everything in their power to protect their children.
Most families in U.S left their soil they love, their parents, their relatives for their children. It's was really hard for them.
Again you are assuming, how did you know that parents send me happily .. happily ?
I got call from Ami/Daddy every single day.. when i am coming back. Before my point was i am going for education .. but now i am doing job. So.. anyway this is not even an issue. I know what is American Culture, and i know what is my Culture. Isn't that not enough?
Visiting and living is two different thing, u didn't answer my question....
kair, Its very good tht u intend to go back to pak, and give back to ur country,
Good luck to ya...
Its all about love for your country, if Abraham Lincoln runaway after seeing too much problems, then you and me won't be sitting here. Pakistan is very young country compare to US/Europe. 60 years hardly.. give us some time !