Motives for Leaving Pakistan--split from Proud Pakistani

[DaffyDuck]

@Colourful eyes

My mum tells me I think completely like a gori, but then I ask her what can pakistan give me? even though I think of my self more pakistani then british,** I dont really see anythnig to be proud of…**

no offence :halo:

I read this blog entry of some Pakistani girl. Read it, i hope it will help you and other Pakistanis who dont feel that proud feel a little proud of their origins Also, read the comments of people on it

Why am i proud of Pakistan!

With all the happenings and the ill feeling about Pakistan nowadays, i too feel there is still a lot we can be proud of

[desert_bird]

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**Listen Listen all Kidos

We Pakistanis give more taxes indirectly than yu people directly.We are paying tax of 36 Rs per litre on Petrol to Government. Every item,every food product,every hotel ,restaurant ,mobile cards eveything has 10 to 15% sales tax.

BTW US and UK people are most tax payers , still there economy is at death bed.What these taxes did with them , at death bed, hopeless , vicious circle of credit cards which Prophet(pbhuh) equalize with doing Adultery with own Mother.Woolworth ,Barclays,BOA,GM StarBuck all bigs are breathing thier last.

taxes not saved the US/UK and Europe economy .We pay more taxes via sales taxs.Go on with your sinking economy.Dajjalic Economic System based on Interest is not saved by paying taxes and we are watching it !

BTW we Pakistanis dont care whether anyone consider him Brit/Yankee more than Pakistani or not .Because we dont heard the voices of Go Paki Go back home, kicked out of aeroplanes,metallic belts of women trousers being stripped off ,shoes are taken off ,face racism on airports,roads,tubes and restaurants. Identity-Less Brit/Yank who are neither Pakistanis nor Brit/Yank in thier whole life swing between what thier real country ,real identity and real culture is

chao**

[tashfeen]

For me, People shouldnt be restricted to national boundaries... WeareMuslim no matter where we are.. and we should keep that MUSLIM identity and grace weherever we are!

[desert_bird]

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and be kicked out of planes for wearing scarfs

[Iggle]

@Colourful eyes

hmmm u knw pakiz go abroad to make money, they think of money at the time and dont think of the impact it has on future generations. Do u think ur grand-children are gonna lov pakistan the same way u do? My mum tells me I think completely like a gori, but then I ask her what can pakistan give me? even though I think of my self more pakistani then british, I dont really see anythnig to be proud of…

no offence :halo:

I know you mean ‘pakis’ in an intentionally harmless manner, however I think we should make the effort to say Pakistani’s not ‘Pakis.’ If a non-Pakistani was to say it to us, we Pakistani’s would find it offensive and racist. Please don’t be offended by this.

Back to the topic, I don’t think wanting money is a bad thing nor should anyone with good intentions feel guilty about wanting money. I want money! I am not materialistic but money sure does pay the bills, gives holidays and has allowed me to study a 3rd degree! Lol!

My in-laws live in Pakistan and I live in UK. After marriage, we decided to continue living in London because of money…and why not? I have not forgotten my roots, and even though I haven’t been brought up in Pakistan I speak/ write/ read Urdu fluenty, teach my child the language and I go to Pakistan often. I love Pakistan and I love UK for different reasons - but to me it doesn’t matter what country I live in. I live in London due to fate. Inshallah, I will teach my child to love Pakistan just the way I do…just the way my Grandparents taught me too (who also live in UK.) But in order to love Pakistan it doesn’t mean I have to live in Pakistan.

I don’t think what can Pakistan give me - I think what can I give Pakistan?

Life is too short and full of unexpected surprises, so in this short life I try to concentrate on being a better Muslim.

That’s just my thinking.

[Iggle]

WeareMuslim no matter where we are.. and we should keep that MUSLIM identity and grace weherever we are!

Perfect! Exactly what I was trying to say but you got it in a sentence! :)

[CE]

@DaffyDuck

I read this blog entry of some Pakistani girl. Read it, i hope it will help you and other Pakistanis who dont feel that proud feel a little proud of their origins Also, read the comments of people on it

Why am i proud of Pakistan!

With all the happenings and the ill feeling about Pakistan nowadays, i too feel there is still a lot we can be proud of

Thnx for sharing tht was a nice read…

@iggle

I know you mean ‘pakis’ in an intentionally harmless manner, however I think we should make the effort to say Pakistani’s not ‘Pakis.’ If a non-Pakistani was to say it to us, we Pakistani’s would find it offensive and racist. Please don’t be offended by this.

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They call me pakiz I just call them chavz

Or better still I can use my proud urdu swearing skills…

p.s. Im not gonna even attempt to have a conversation with patronizing people, so im gonna ignore those of u, who cant seem to have a healthy conversation…

[Gr8Heera]

For me, People shouldnt be restricted to national boundaries... WeareMuslim no matter where we are.. and we should keep that MUSLIM identity and grace weherever we are!

You are right but ppl don't except it.

If you are Punjabi, Pathan, Balochi or sindhi whenever you meet your cast you will forget everything and only go for your cast. What you said we are supposed to do but we don't.

I saw Punjabi muslims are giving galiaan to Pathan muslim and Pathans to Pujabies and both to Muhajirs and Sindhies.

I don't know why we can't be a Muslim.

If anything I'll tell truth about your cast you will go agaisnt me. You will forget Islam.

[Gr8Heera]

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Agar hum sirf Musalman bun bhi jaain to doosray ghair muslim aka kuffar accept nahee karain gay.

[kurripunjaban]

I know you mean 'pakis' in an intentionally harmless manner, however I think we should make the effort to say Pakistani's not 'Pakis.' If a non-Pakistani was to say it to us, we Pakistani's would find it offensive and racist. Please don't be offended by this. :)

Thank youuuuu! This annoys the crap outta me. Its pakistanis people, not paki!!!

[Iggle]

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Your welcome! Hehe! :)

[njgal]

@~*Shaz*~

I do admit crimes happen in pakistan…loot maar etc. but dude trust me western countries are no different. Apart from the bombing thing…the crime level is same as pak. And talking about those killin doctors, and ethnicity, Tell me one thing how many of ur relatives have been targetted or killed in pak? (no offence meant). Every story have two sides.

I do agree…security might be an issue but everyone who seem to move out of pak use that excuse when the tuth is they leave pak coz of money, lalach etc etc (most of them)

Becuase of my dads job

Shaz - how can you say the crime level is the same? My cousin was gunned down (about 20 bullets) in his chest - inncocent bystander

Another family member - hit and run - the child is in the hosipital awaiting surgery this week (they never caught the person)

A friend of mine - electicuted while starting his factory on it’s ingrautation.

My parents moved out of the country - leaving their “doolat” - “buglaw” - “nokar chakar” and “seniority”.

What lalach?? We work our butts off here. In Pakistan my dad wouldn’t have to lift a finger and he’s sholveling snow right now.

[Reha]

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^ Im so sorry to hear about all of this NJ!!

My parents tell me the same thing all the time. They left due to security reasons among many other things.

Everytime Ive been to Pakistan, Ive never seen anyone in my house doing anything. Its when they come here, they have to clean the house, cook, etc. Life is harder here and so is raising kids.

[njgal]

@PSquared

^ Im so sorry to hear about all of this NJ!!

My parents tell me the same thing all the time. They left due to security reasons among many other things.

Everytime Ive been to Pakistan, Ive never seen anyone in my house doing anything. Its when they come here, they have to clean the house, cook, etc. Life is harder here and so is raising kids.

PS - Things change when you beome a parent. You will do anything to keep your kids safe and ensure that they have a better life. That includes safety, a life without corruption, where you know if you work hard you will get the reward.

My parents sacrificed SOOOO much for their kids by leaving Pakistan. People don't realize that.

I ask my cousins in Pakistan if they ever had to make breakfast themselves, or clean the bathroom, unclog a toilet, wash their clothes. They are are like "NO" and I tell them - "jis din karna us din mujh say baat karna"

[CE]

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^Im sorry to hear about ur family members njgal,

Just wanna make the point of saying the original post of this thread was aimed at the first generation of pakistani people who arrived in western countries......:)

[Shak]

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Agree with NJ.

Shaz, I love Pakistan but living there is a completely different thing. My Nana Aba (may he go to Jannat), a 74 old man, was murdered very violently in an attempted kidnap just a couple of months ago by some scum. So many of our family friends have stories of their loved ones either being killed or their lives made hell by crime in Pakistan.

I don't want to live in Pakistan, not because I don't love it, but because I don't want myself or my future familys' lives put at unneccasry risk.

[JimmyKimble]

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2 of my best friends came to amreeka and Canada.
I was too bored in pakistan.
So I came too, hehehe I don't talk to them any more.

[rabia3983]

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i m a born pakistani...but moved to USA when i was 13.

My father worked for the pakistani gov't as an engineer (for the electricity company)...had an accident AT work, passed away within a week frm that. n do u knw who the pakistani gov't offered us (family of four young kids n a widow) 1200 rps per month...yes thats it. When my mother ask for a job in the same department the gov't said she was too old to start, n said my eldest brother was too young to work (he was 17 at the time). Thank god for my nani n mamu who were here is the US, and who supported us for the two years it took us to move to US (in these two years, the paper work of my Dads pension and other stuff wasn't done--so we weren't even getting the 1200rps).

now if some one asked me if i m a proud pakistani...well i say NO...pakistan has given my family nothing. I cannt even image how my mother would have supported our education with those 1200.
I work hard here in the US...but i knw if one day i die...my family wont be without money.

Yes my family moved here for money becuase the pakistani gov't offered us none.

[JimmyKimble]

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^ sad indeed.
But I am happy now you are well and kickin.

[Sara516]

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Shaz, you are one naive and childish kid if u think that every pakistani moves abroad is doing so for lalach. Hopefully when you grow up you will see how arrogant and wrong you are.