Motives for Leaving Pakistan--split from Proud Pakistani

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Shaz im not talking about parents of children today, im talking about parents of our parents, who came to this country, to earn money for a better life back home, then decided to settle in this country enjoy the benefits of this country. But then at the same time they didn’t realize it will have an impact on future generations, im not saying it’s for the worst, may b it’s for the best who knows time will tell…

I have spent a year in pakistan, then another 3 months an Insha Allah will go again soon, all I saw was annoying beggers beggin money off me as soon as I stepped out of the airport, no electricity, perverted guys, and shop keepers trying to conn me out of my money…

I seriously dont know why I should be proud of being pakistani, im not saying im proud to be British, and im not being snobbish. If u remember I even opened up a thread about pakistan a while back, but I didnt even get a good response to tht…:hinna:

Pakistan is a beautiful place, pakistan people on the other hand im not too sure about…

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So how can we expect pakistan to progress? If all the good talented ppl, businessmen etc leave pakistan than the question is simple. How is pakistan going to progress?

Come to think of it if all the asians today decide to walk out of Uk than their economy will go down the toliet even before they would know it

Yes i know some families come abroad to live good lifestyle, better education for their children, security etc but on other hand they do know what their childrens will be like after going abroad. I am not at all saying all of them turn out to be like jerks but most of them do actually.

And as i said 90% of the families move out of pak just for the money, fame etc and when they go abroad they bash pakistan with great passion!

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One uncle was assasinated, One cousin killed, brother in law's commercial orchards torched, kidnap threats out on me and my bros, another cousin kidnapped from his business because he refused to pay protection. one uncle kidnapped from his hospital and held for ransom, same dude was carjacked earlier.

although that is not the reason any of us moved out. But that can not be discounted as a reason why people move out.

actually the uncle who was kidnapped went back from US to Pakistan, and after that incidence decided to retire in US anyways.

so you guys moved out mostly for financial reasons then?

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what are you talking about, u think the kids in pakistan are angels? bashing pakistani origin kids in UK and US is a fashion it seems, all in all I dont think either group is any better or worse off it all depends on the family background. idiots would be idiots whether they were in Pakistan or UK, just diff outlets of their idiocy and how visible it is I suppose.

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Sad to hear bruv, look i said before i do agree secuirty is a concern but trust me everyone use this as an excuse when the reality is different. Some families do move out from pak coz of security while other moves out becoz of..... u knw what i mean

And as for bold part above...Jee nahi we moved out because it was part of my dad job...meaning we had to move and we are only here for some time!

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Im sorry to hear tht...

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ahh thanks for explainign, so you guys are on some temp rotation out of Pakistan?

anyways as I said, my cousin was was kidnapped is still there and refuses to leave pak, the uncle who was kidnapped had actually returned from US. my dad and his siblings came abroad for education and then experience, al but one went back to Pak later, established businesses, opened hospitals, etc. the kids had a choice to stay in pakistan past college or uni, or go abroad and very few who had grown up abroad made the decision to stay in pakistan. my only cousins in Pakistan are those who were born and raised there.

Main Is Qadar Kamzoor To Pehle Kabhi Na Tha.!
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u think the kids in pakistan are angels?
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When did i say they are?

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bashing pakistani origin kids in UK and US is a fashion it seems
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Yh right, truth is always bitter

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all in all I dont think either group is any better or worse off it all depends on the family background. idiots would be idiots whether they were in Pakistan or UK, just diff outlets of their idiocy and how visible it is I suppose
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I agree but u are more likely to become an idiot in western country than in pak, i personally know many families here, they are very nice ppl but their childrens what can i say about them? they drink, go clubs, and what not
And thier families themselves admit they were better off in pak!

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Well all my realative are in pak apart from few, we are jus here for some time, will move back to Islamabad soon InshAllah :)

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no u did not say it, but I wanted to make sure I understood you properly.

truth is bitter, and the truth is that usually the kids that go over the top are kids from upstart families and usually recent arrivals. kids of educated families of a decent background usually live in a proper way.

as far as definition of an idiot, an idiot pakistani kid overseas will do stupid things that just hurt him/her really..and what is it drinking, clubbing, boyfriend, girlfriends?

idiots in Pakistan range from these activities (I myseklf have gone to parties in pakistan with booze, drugs and strippers present much to my surprise), those who are harassing girls in bazaars (please go to tariq road in karachi for chand raat), violent political groups (although that has seemed to pipe down), patronage of places like lee market and shahi mohalla (they are not in business due to visiting expats)

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Thanks CE- those are tough events that many have faced. a good pal of mine from when i was in Pak had vowed never to leave Pak, until he was stabbed like 20+ times in poltical group wrangling, and then his parents packed him up and sent him to London to study, and he ended up settling there.

some of my ahmadi friends have narrated their own stressful situations. and yes it oes not affect anyone and many deal with it anyways, some decide they would rather not.

good for you, i think its a matter of perspective, I was born abroad, grew up abroad, went to pak for a few years, did not think that was a place i could live in and have not been back in a decade now.

its all a matter of perspectives and preferences.

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:hayaa: :hayaa: was this back in the day?

wow CE shocked

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CE yup, 2 decades ago when i was just starting uni.. I am talking about summer 1988 and 89 era.

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I agree there are many idiots in pak, drinking, clubbing, girls all this happen in pakistan but dude trust me its limited to some places and i knw it

You are more likely to change depending in the society u live in, i knw many ppl here who have changed a lot, i havent been here for a long time but i know enough abt the western life style.

There is this person, his family sent him here in uk for a bright future, they wasted all their life earning for just getin a visa for him, now this boy was quite decent, educated (he did some degrees in pak) overall a ver nice folk but after 3 months he changed a lot, ppl around him changed him. Now he doesnt even giv a F abt his family! He drinks, smokes, go clubs, hav sex with new gals everyday...and he wasnt like this when was in pak!

And this is just one story i know many more like this, i do hope u get my point, it depens where u live and the ppl around u!

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Re: Proud Pakistani?

shaz- as I said i have seen this stuff more prominently in ppl who have just arrived from pakistan versus those who grew up here in terms of percentages of each group. bad upbringing and poor family values have an effect.

so maybe this guy got in the wrong company and did not have the moral and character strength to resist it, but by the same token bad company would have done the same to him in Pakistan. the outlet may have been different than, the activities may have been different, and it may have been hidden more, but it still would have gone on.

in 1980s when charas and heroin was huge in pakistan...it was locals who were doing it. because it was available.

so yes in the west there are more opportunities and u dont have to hide it, but poor character is just that..whether someone is openly going out with girls, or hiding and going to mujras...wrong is wrong..

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Re: Proud Pakistani?

anyhoo, nice chatting with u, i hafta go take care of some stuff.
u take care.

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wow those must of been some scary strippers for u not to go back to pak in a decade..:hehe:

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Yes i agree, as i said this is jus one story i know, i knw many more, i even know about those britsih born pakistanis here...i even created a thread long time ago in this forum...but i do agree with you he prolly didnt had the moral or character strength to resist it

And the mujars u are talking about, tell me one thing does this happen in every part of pakistan? u probably dont even know because u werent born there or u havent lived there for a long time. These things u are talking about, mujras, charsi, drugging this all happens in pakistan but not in every part of pak! While in western countries u are more likely to become a jerk nowdays considering what most of the teenagers are upto!! But overall it depends on the company u keep. i dont know here u live, but here in london the lifestly is very different, the amount of stabbing, drugging, drinking that goes on here is far more than what happens in pakistan. Two months ago ony of my friend was stabbed to death here just few yards away from my house and those who did it were britsh born pakistanis! I am not at all trying to offend anyone here but most these ppl are jerks!

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Re: Proud Pakistani?

Ok enough now X2 have to go now, my mom is calling me....will see u other time around

Nice talking to you.....:)

Take Care

Allah Hafiz

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That is because you are not able to see certain things :slight_smile: